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"Natural foods" vs "others"
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nettiklive wrote: »If we're talking strictly weight loss and calories, of course it doesn't matter.
If we're talking health... I personally believe that any foods or ingredients that are created entirely artificially, ie. do not occur in nature in any form, cannot be good for you. I'm not a microbiologist so I won't claim to know exactly how they affect your body, but it sort of makes sense that we are not meant to eat non-food substances - and these are essentially what those are. For me personally, it grosses me out to be eating these, we don't consume them or buy them in our family aside from rare occasions.
For me, that includes things such as artificial flavorings, artificial colors, artificial preservatives, high corn fructose syrup, artificial sweeteners. Some of the foods we almost never buy or eat are soda, artificially colored/flavored candy/cookies/snacks, junk food like Doritos/ cheetos etc (all-natural tortilla or potato chips very rarely), Wonderbread-style bread, fat free yogurts with added starch/sugar/gelatin, American processed cheese slices, and most fast food chains, among others.
I stand by the opinion that all that stuff is not food, and should never have been created or marketed as food to begin with. I think it is silly to argue that, I don't know, chicken or broccoli is no better than a pack of Hot Cheetos. Artificial ingredients have no real nutrition or benefits to the body (unless artificially 'enriched' and that's questionable) and were only created as palate-pleasing profit-makers and nothing more.
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
(Remember - we're not talking opinions, woo and fearmongering here. We're talking nutritional facts.)25 -
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
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I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
Nah, doesn't work for me. I feel like crap if I eat a banana, but give me a party-size pack of Cheese Puffs and I feel great.16 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
You don't think after a day or two, the three of them would get together and share, maybe?11 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
You don't think after a day or two, the three of them would get together and share, maybe?
Shush, you. No room for logic, here.
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well natural food is naturally occuring and has mineral and all versus others have chemicals and ingredients that don't make sense
Everything on the planet is made up of chemicals and ingredients. Chemicals are naturally occurring. There are toxic natural substances.
We use certain chemicals/ingredients to make food taste better, preserve food, alter ingredients into a different form. That does not mean the food is toxic.
People can eat whole foods they pick themselves if they want but saying there are no chemicals or something is healthy just because it is less processed lacks understanding.
I'm curious if the person drinks untreated water or avoids medications.9 -
I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
Please tell me where you obtain these mythical 'pesticide free' veggies and fruits? You do realize that organic does NOT mean pesticide free? All organic means is that they are regulated as to which pesticides can be used...21 -
I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
Please tell me where you obtain these mythical 'pesticide free' veggies and fruits? You do realize that organic does NOT mean pesticide free? All organic means is that they are regulated as to which pesticides can be used...
Can't be that hard - the aphids can find 'em all the time
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I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
But I feel better after a bag of Doritos and a bowl of Ice Cream, than I do after a salad or some raw carrots. Guess Doritos and Ice Cream are better for me!
Yay!!7 -
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BruinsGal_91 wrote: »I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
Nah, doesn't work for me. I feel like crap if I eat a banana, but give me a party-size pack of Cheese Puffs and I feel great.
To be fair, I generally do avoid bananas and spinach because of how they make me feel. I don't think I get that kind of instant feedback from any "unnatural" foods at all.0 -
concordancia wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »I know this is overly simplified but how about just noticing how you feel after you eat something? I love soft drinks and rice crispy treats but feel like crap when I eat them. Speaking for myself, I feel better when I eat pesticide free lettuce, carrots, oranges, etc and worse when I eat fried Chicfila. I think my body works better when I eat green beans instead of bacon and nitrates. I am grateful to live where I can grab a not as healthy prepackaged peanut butter and cracker pack and a diet coke when I don't plan ahead. Were all in this together. I don't feel quite as hopeless or overwhelmed with weight issues knowing we all have a common goal regardless of how we get there.
Nah, doesn't work for me. I feel like crap if I eat a banana, but give me a party-size pack of Cheese Puffs and I feel great.
To be fair, I generally do avoid bananas and spinach because of how they make me feel. I don't think I get that kind of instant feedback from any "unnatural" foods at all.
Bananas give me the trots.
There. I said it.
So "all natural" bananas don't make me feel 'good' at all. Even the organic ones.
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estherdragonbat wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
You don't think after a day or two, the three of them would get together and share, maybe?
They must be locked in cages otherwise they would probably try to eat other foods pretty quick or kill themselves. Even big macs would get depressing if it were your only food. There is no real reason for them to be placed on an island unless it is to prevent their rescue from this mad scientist waiting for them to die.1 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
You don't think after a day or two, the three of them would get together and share, maybe?
They must be locked in cages otherwise they would probably try to eat other foods pretty quick or kill themselves. Even big macs would get depressing if it were your only food. There is no real reason for them to be placed on an island unless it is to prevent their rescue from this mad scientist waiting for them to die.
For all you overanalyzers - for the purposes of this hypothetical question, there is no food sharing. If it makes it easier to process, say it's a large island and they're placed in separate locations and don't even know that the others exist. Or they're each on separate islands. Or maybe the two others are orthorexic True Believers in their diets and would willingly die before they ever defiled their bodies by eating a Big Mac. And just to cover the final base, there are no other food sources on this/these hypothetical islands (no fish, no indigenous fruits/vegetables, no animals to hunt). Whichever way you posit it, each one of them is only eating the diet posed in the original hypothetical question.
Regardless of why they're there or how they got there, the question posed is which one survives the longest? Still waiting for @nettiklive to answer.8 -
well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.40
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well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Do you really think everyone who eats Doritos or Cheetos is on medication or has biometrics in the unhealthy range?
Like, do you really really think that? Or are you just writing something that you think sounds approximately vaguely accurate but aren't really sure about?25 -
janejellyroll wrote: »well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Do you really think everyone who eats Doritos or Cheetos is on medication or has biometrics in the unhealthy range?
Like, do you really really think that? Or are you just writing something that you think sounds approximately vaguely accurate but aren't really sure about?
I SAID " well I would rather use all natural"
AND YES MOST PEOPLE DO MED IT UP...LOOK AT THE PHARMS INDUSTRY..wow. the pharm industry rules ALL our other industries...including health. because they can financially dominate to get their way.
I will not be posting again..not getting into this in this way with...well.,..
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well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Perhaps not bingeing on them, but that is true of any food in excess. Fruit in what other people would consider moderate quantities is detrimental to my bio metrics.
On the other hand, protein bars and sugar free jello have been quite helpful.8 -
you know, i think everyone does what works best for them or what they prefer or what makes them feel good - for whatever reason.
you could kill a chicken in your yard and once you stick it over your firepit made with sticks and fire from lightening .... its processed.
i eat the way i eat, because i PREFER to. fresh veg and fruit. very little canned or frozen. meats (that im positive WERE frozen, and almost always are once they get to my house). i buy most of my bread, but even when i make it, once it hits that oven .... processed.
i dont buy many canned soups or items because i simply dont like them. i like to control my food and whats in it. and with prepackaged things, you dont have that control. if someone else wants to use it - awesome. i truly do not care. lol
live and let live.
and doritos are *kitten* good!!!2 -
well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
as has been said before - dosage and context matter, you seem to ignore this on every one of your posts.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Do you really think everyone who eats Doritos or Cheetos is on medication or has biometrics in the unhealthy range?
Like, do you really really think that? Or are you just writing something that you think sounds approximately vaguely accurate but aren't really sure about?
I SAID " well I would rather use all natural"
AND YES MOST PEOPLE DO MED IT UP...LOOK AT THE PHARMS INDUSTRY..wow. the pharm industry rules ALL our other industries...including health. because they can financially dominate to get their way.
I will not be posting again..not getting into this in this way with...well.,..
How will looking at the pharmaceutical industry provide documentation for your claim? Like, what specifically am I looking at?
That *some people* take medicine doesn't mean that everyone who ever eats a Dorito is taking medicine any more than the fact that emergency rooms treat car crash victims means that everyone who rides in a car will experience a crash.
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well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
I may regret this...
The thing is you have over-simplified it. If you eating NOTHING but Doritos and Cheetos it will not help your reading. If you eat NOTHING but broccoli and cauliflower it will do nothing to help your reading either. You are more likely to still be alive eating the former though over an extended period of time.
Those of us that are blessed enough to live places where food is easy to get and we can afford it do not have to eat mutually exclusive diets. I can eat lean chicken, steamed broccoli, and a bag of Cheetos.
I view healthy eating in extremely simple terms. Healthy mostly means eating a varied diet and unhealthy mostly means a lack of moderation. The exceptions are based mostly on individual medical factors.
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janejellyroll wrote: »well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Do you really think everyone who eats Doritos or Cheetos is on medication or has biometrics in the unhealthy range?
Like, do you really really think that? Or are you just writing something that you think sounds approximately vaguely accurate but aren't really sure about?
I SAID " well I would rather use all natural"
AND YES MOST PEOPLE DO MED IT UP...LOOK AT THE PHARMS INDUSTRY..wow. the pharm industry rules ALL our other industries...including health. because they can financially dominate to get their way.
I will not be posting again..not getting into this in this way with...well.,..
You really should try spending less time on fear mongering, tin foil hat, conspiracy theory websites and use some critical thinking skills. Or better yet, try to engage with the people who are respectfully asking you to clarify your statements with logic and reasoning?
So you believe that anyone who eats things like doritos or cheetohs is on medication? And that it is not possible to eat these foods, in any quantity (again, context and dosage is key here) and achieve healthy lab results (I assume that's what you are referring to when you talk about "biometrics")?
What does "MED IT UP" mean? Regularly takes prescription medication for chronic illness? Take over the counter medication occasionally for particular ailments? Take what you deem to be superfluous medications? What qualifications do you have to determine whether someone's medication is superfluous/unnecessary for their personal situation?
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well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
So anybody who eats Doritos or Cheetos eats NOTHING BUT Doritos and Cheetos? Do you really think most people who are making an effort to get healthy don't also eat lean meats, vegetables, fruits, grains, etc., maybe with Doritos and Cheetos (or whatever other food one is choosing to demonize) in moderation, within the context of an overall balanced diet?
This binary, "either/or" reasoning always puzzles me. It's as if there are only two possibilities - gorge yourself on junk food all day every day, or eat nothing but the purest, most wholesome foods at all times. As if there could be no reasonable middle ground. And assuming that if you eat so much as ONE "unhealthy" meal/snack, your entire body is poisoned, diseased and rapidly spiraling toward death.19 -
janejellyroll wrote: »well I would rather use all natural foods to bring my bio metrics into a healthy reading instead of popping meds...you cant do that with Doritos or Cheetos or or...get the picture. It does matter.
Do you really think everyone who eats Doritos or Cheetos is on medication or has biometrics in the unhealthy range?
Like, do you really really think that? Or are you just writing something that you think sounds approximately vaguely accurate but aren't really sure about?
I SAID " well I would rather use all natural"
AND YES MOST PEOPLE DO MED IT UP...LOOK AT THE PHARMS INDUSTRY..wow. the pharm industry rules ALL our other industries...including health. because they can financially dominate to get their way.
I will not be posting again..not getting into this in this way with...well.,..
What about the people who have genetic propensities towards things like HBP and high cholesterol? I personally have had borderline HBP my entire adult life, regardless of how much I weighed or how physically active I have been. My wife, because of a genetic issue and medical issues will be taking a low-grade statin for the rest of her life (hint, she does not have cholesterol issues). Are the two of us med'ing it up??????7 -
I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".13 -
I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".
Did you just compare eating Doritos to smoking cigarettes? I don't think Cool Ranch Doritos are linked to many cancer studies...16 -
I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".
Are we really better off skipping a few corn chips? I mean, how is this quantified?
If this is your general impression, that's one thing. But as a factual statement, I'm scratching my head to see what this is based on.9 -
My two cents:
Humans are extremely adaptable and can thrive on a variety of diets, 'natural' or not. And SO much of our health and longevity depends on our genetics.
My grandparents are both in their mid-90s and very healthy, and they enjoy MacDonald's once a week. Their diets are mostly homecooked pastas, sausages, meats, potatoes, soups, desserts.
So if you wanna be healthy and live a long time...
- Pray that you got good genetics
- Don't smoke or do damaging drugs
- Stay active, keep your heart healthy and your muscles strong
- Maintain a healthy BMI
- Find a generally balanced way of eating that you enjoy13
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