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"Natural foods" vs "others"
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nettiklive wrote: »Sorry I'm done with this topic, it just makes me upset. Especially for the kids who don't know any better. Enjoy your Cheetos.
Looks like we might end with the appeal to pity fallacy.
The kids that are fortunate to get the food the need and want have parents or guardians to feed them. They don't need to worry about ingredients. The ones at risk of obesity probably just need to be outside more doing play and exercise. They do need to learn proper nutrition before adulthood but they shouldn't learn from a place of fear.22 -
nettiklive wrote: »Sorry I'm done with this topic, it just makes me upset. Especially for the kids who don't know any better. Enjoy your Cheetos.
Looks like we might end with the appeal to pity fallacy.
The kids that are fortunate to get the food the need and want have parents or guardians to feed them. They don't need to worry about ingredients. The ones at risk of obesity probably just need to be outside more doing play and exercise. They do need to learn proper nutrition before adulthood but they shouldn't learn from a place of fear.
I think the "But the Chiiiillllldreeeeeen!" appeal is a corollary to Godwin's Law.
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@AnvilHead lol That is likely true especially on a nutrition and fitness website.3
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OH OH OH BTW
People these days are allergic to so many things - could it be because they are excessively picky eaters versus when I was a kid 10 years ago sometimes we would end up eating something that fell on the floor (as long as floor "looked clean") and was within that 5 second rule.
As a kid, I've sometimes eaten mud as well and my mom didn't panic or anything at all- Just asked me to rinse my mouth with water that's it.
Do you think it's because of something or I just have a generally stronger immune system due to genetics or it's because of excessively picky eating habits of this "good" vs "bad" food ??
Also, I've noticed- people in India (developed parts and some villages) don't have any allergies at all versus here where almost every other kid has allergy to something. (I know it's a very general statement) just trying to grasp.
If by "excessively picky eaters" you mean people like nettiklive, I avoid the same things she does and I have no food allergies. Ditto for many other family members. I don't see the correlation.6 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Hypothetical question for you:
Three people are placed on an island. One gets only unlimited broccoli and carrots. One gets only unlimited beans and peas. One gets only unlimited Big Macs. All three get unlimited water. Who lives the longest?
Will it be one of the two on those delicious, oh so nutritious, healthy, good for you, all-natural diets, or the one eating that horrible, toxic, disgusting, "nutritionally empty" non-food substance?
Clearly, the Big Mac guy will die first.
But only because the other two will end up killing him for his incredibly tasty and nutritionally superior food.
Hee hee!! 2 -
When it comes to food you have three choices:
1. sugar
2. salt
3. bacteria
Not a difficult concept folks. There is no evil conspiracy, just transportation/logistical issues from where the food is grown and where the people eat the food.9 -
Watching this thread is a prime example of food cult behavior. People who latch onto these ideas use food restrictions as a way of virtue or status signalling, establishing their "purity" over those who haven't been enlightened with "the truth". The rules are as arbitrary religious prohibitions on pork or meat on fridays. The only difference is the scriptures are netflix documentaries or food gurus who use threats of unspecified health harms instead of spiritual damnation.
Here's a fun read on the topic: http://www.bodyforwife.com/10-commandments-of-dietary-zealotry/21 -
nettiklive wrote: »Sorry I'm done with this topic, it just makes me upset. Especially for the kids who don't know any better. Enjoy your Cheetos.
Looks like we might end with the appeal to pity fallacy.
The kids that are fortunate to get the food the need and want have parents or guardians to feed them. They don't need to worry about ingredients. The ones at risk of obesity probably just need to be outside more doing play and exercise. They do need to learn proper nutrition before adulthood but they shouldn't learn from a place of fear.
I think the "But the Chiiiillllldreeeeeen!" appeal is a corollary to Godwin's Law.
Its funny that you mention Godwin's law no one has adhered to that in years unfortunately. Just like no one ridicules false equivalency arguments anymore, you know like the kind that suggest someone's view on whole foods is flawed because there's arsenic in the dirt and grandma has to boil potatoes. You know like those kind of arguments.10 -
When it comes to food you have three choices:
1. sugar
2. salt
3. bacteria
Not a difficult concept folks. There is no evil conspiracy, just transportation/logistical issues from where the food is grown and where the people eat the food.
This is a good point, one that's impact has changed over time. So many of the points in this thread are referencing "how it used to be" But in modern times these points are becoming irrelevant. With modern logistics and shipping and general health knowledge, a lot of packaged products nowadays are shipped without salts and preservatives because they can. I never used to buy packaged or canned goods but more and more, I'm finding canned products to be available without salt and preservatives. Perhaps it because They can get here without spoiling, but also because people have become aware and of course consumer advocacy groups putting pressure where it needs to be.0 -
KeithWhiteJr wrote: »I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".
Did you just compare eating Doritos to smoking cigarettes? I don't think Cool Ranch Doritos are linked to many cancer studies...
In that a few won't hurt you, yes.
Is Cool Ranch Doritos linked to any studies? LOL7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".
Are we really better off skipping a few corn chips? I mean, how is this quantified?
If this is your general impression, that's one thing. But as a factual statement, I'm scratching my head to see what this is based on.
I doubt it is quantifiable.
... Actually I doubt that a few cigarettes would have a quantifiable effect either.
But I did say it as part of my opinion. I think Doritos are not a great food choice. A few may not hurt anyone but more may, IMO.5 -
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
Oh, I love the "probably better off" game. Let's play!
You are PBO not driving because of the fumes.
You are PBO not working because of stress.
You are PBO staying out of your house because that is where many accidents happen.
You are PBO staying out of the sun because of skin cancer.
You are PBO not eating because food is a choking hazard.
Wasn't that fun!!
You bet. And all basically correct in some way too. LOL
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I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.7
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I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol4 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color. Why didn't you just add in food coloring? According to the thread, there is no benefit in using beet juice instead of red food dye.
Waiting for the argument now that red dye is actually made from insects so it's in fact natural...19 -
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
Oh, I love the "probably better off" game. Let's play!
You are PBO not driving because of the fumes.
You are PBO not working because of stress.
You are PBO staying out of your house because that is where many accidents happen.
You are PBO staying out of the sun because of skin cancer.
You are PBO not eating because food is a choking hazard.
Wasn't that fun!!
If we're doing this. I have fair skin with lots of moles and hence a high risk factor for skin cancer. I stay out of harsh sun when possible. I wear sunscreen. I don't tan and avoid being out during the hottest hours of the day and never use tanning beds. I know plenty of people who lay around tanning for hours or use tanning salons year round. They're perfectly healthy with no skin cancer. However that won't convince me that sun exposure poses no risk for me or that I would let my kids lounge around in the sun with no sunscreen.
I also wear a seatbelt when I drive, I'm strict on car seat safety and I follow traffic rules and don't drive like a maniac. I knew a girl who thought it was perfectly okay to drive after six shots of vodka. She never got in an accident. So what?
To make it clear I'm not comparing Doritos to drunk driving. Im just continuing this game. Truth is many things in life have risk and we all make the choices we are comfortable with based on our own beliefs, experiences, and comfort zone. No need to belittle or attempt to discredit anyone else's choices.7 -
nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color. Why didn't you just add in food coloring? According to the thread, there is no benefit in using beet juice instead of red food dye.
Waiting for the argument now that red dye is actually made from insects so it's in fact natural...
Oh they had plenty of food coloring and still do. They learned about using beet juice to color other foods by accidently mixing it around at Passover one year. They decided that they liked it because it was fun. I have nothing against food coloring in moderation.
It seems like you're again missing the point of this thread and it appears that you are not willing to open up to new information. There's not much else that can be said since you are unwilling to toy with the ideas presented.15 -
Watching this thread is a prime example of food cult behavior. People who latch onto these ideas use food restrictions as a way of virtue or status signalling, establishing their "purity" over those who haven't been enlightened with "the truth". The rules are as arbitrary religious prohibitions on pork or meat on fridays. The only difference is the scriptures are netflix documentaries or food gurus who use threats of unspecified health harms instead of spiritual damnation.
Here's a fun read on the topic: http://www.bodyforwife.com/10-commandments-of-dietary-zealotry/
Oh please. Again, never seen any of these Netflix documentaries or FoodBabe.
My fiance eats fast food all the time and I don't look down on him for that.
I don't feel virtuous when I have a kale (plus friends) smoothie. I feel full.2 -
Insects aren't natural?nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color. Why didn't you just add in food coloring? According to the thread, there is no benefit in using beet juice instead of red food dye.
Waiting for the argument now that red dye is actually made from insects so it's in fact natural...
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I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
I've always used dry mustard powder (and prepared hot English mustard - that really gives it colour!) and paprika in my mac cheese. Try it with a das of cayenne pepper too for extra zing
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I grow them in flowerboxes in my kitchen (mostly lettuce and herbs my favorites) and yes, it is possible that there are some issues with the soil, my goal is as few pesticides as possible when possible. Not sure why someone trying to eat a bit healthier is so disturbing, but whatever floats your boat. I suspect Kroger sales Raid if you want to put that on your Little Debbie cakes. I wouldn't recommend it, but you seem to know things I don't. This anger and ugliness turns some thing that could be productive into something very ugly and I am already a bit down with the struggle ahead of me. I will heed the old saying, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen - over and out.19
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I only eat supernatural foods.24
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »I only eat supernatural foods.
Can you fly?0 -
I grow them in flowerboxes in my kitchen (mostly lettuce and herbs my favorites) and yes, it is possible that there are some issues with the soil, my goal is as few pesticides as possible when possible. Not sure why someone trying to eat a bit healthier is so disturbing, but whatever floats your boat. I suspect Kroger sales Raid if you want to put that on your Little Debbie cakes. I wouldn't recommend it, but you seem to know things I don't. This anger and ugliness turns some thing that could be productive into something very ugly and I am already a bit down with the struggle ahead of me. I will heed the old saying, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen - over and out.
@kshama2001
I wasn't thinking of people like you when I posted regarding food cults yesterday. Just because a person enjoys a kale smoothy doesn't mean they're engaging in cultism.
The above was exactly the kind of nonsense I had in mind. No rational person would equate stating that there's little overall health benefit to organic produce to advocating spraying Raid on Little Debbie cakes, but this is what someone took it to mean regardless.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think natural or whole foods tend to be healthier than "other food", which I would consider to be refined an highly processed with additives to make the food more shelf stable or appealing (to look at and then eat).
I don't think some "other foods" are horrible for many people to eat. a few doritos won't hurt most people but a few cigarettes don't hurt most people either... but you are probably better off skipping both.
IMO, natural or whole foods are usually better for health than "other foods", so I try to make that the majority of my diet.
For weight management I think it matters less unless you are someone who's weight is affected by poor health that is affected or caused by "other foods".
Are we really better off skipping a few corn chips? I mean, how is this quantified?
If this is your general impression, that's one thing. But as a factual statement, I'm scratching my head to see what this is based on.
I doubt it is quantifiable.
... Actually I doubt that a few cigarettes would have a quantifiable effect either.
But I did say it as part of my opinion. I think Doritos are not a great food choice. A few may not hurt anyone but more may, IMO.
We actually can track changes in the body that are tied to smoking a cigarette, even just one (heart rate, blood pressure, platelet changes, etc). If one doesn't smoke more cigarettes, the body returns to normal. Even then, people who smoke lightly but regularly still have an increased death rate as opposed to those who don't smoke.
Given that we don't have any evidence of a specific impact corn chips have on the body or an increased death rate due to light corn chip consumption, I don't think it's a fair comparison.
I don't know exactly what it means to say something isn't a great food choice without any additional information about how many are being consumed or the overall context of the diet. What does it mean for something not to be a great food choice?6 -
nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color.
So if she had chosen red food dye, she would have been a terrible mother?11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color.
So if she had chosen red food dye, she would have been a terrible mother?
Maybe not 'terrible' but definitely a 'not-so-good' mom
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janejellyroll wrote: »nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color.
So if she had chosen red food dye, she would have been a terrible mother?
Maybe not 'terrible' but definitely a 'not-so-good' mom
Rethinking the fancy princess cake my mom made for my 6th birthday, the one with colored icing. I was so thrilled at the time. I loved princesses and it was my dream cake. Little did I know she was, at best, expressing her indifference to my wellbeing, if not outright hostility to it.
Does Hallmark make Mother's Day cards for the "not-so-good" moms? I need to let her know I'm finally on to her.31 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color.
So if she had chosen red food dye, she would have been a terrible mother?
Yes. Call social services7 -
This thread has started to remind me of some of the BabyCenter forums I read when I was pregnant and my kids were infants. Nothing like a parenting forum to bring out the most vicious, hostile, judgemental tendencies in people...
Signed,
The Woman Who Fed Her Kids Easy Mac AND Chicken Nuggets This Week While Dealing With a 50 Hour Work Week, 3 Baseball Events, 1 Soccer Practice, 1 PTO Meeting, Field Trip, Class Performance and a Husband Out Of Town38
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