KETO DIET: Reviews and Tips
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
Can we be honest, its laughable how little fruit one can consume doing keto. If you are honest with yourself, you do have to cut a lot of fruits out of your diet unless you want a third of a banana, half an apple, etc...
And this coming from a person who eats 5-6 servings a day of high gi and low gi fruits. I am setting myself to follow Lyle McDonalds UD2 protocol and the keto days are ridiculously tough for a person like me.
Well that’s the beauty of many different diet models. If keto doesn’t suit you you don’t have to follow it.
It does however suit many other people (not everybody is like you)!
I’m sure your diet doesn’t many other people, but if it suits you then that’s just great - more power to your elbow!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
Can we be honest, its laughable how little fruit one can consume doing keto. If you are honest with yourself, you do have to cut a lot of fruits out of your diet unless you want a third of a banana, half an apple, etc...
And this coming from a person who eats 5-6 servings a day of high gi and low gi fruits. I am setting myself to follow Lyle McDonalds UD2 protocol and the keto days are ridiculously tough for a person like me.
Well that’s the beauty of many different diet models. If keto doesn’t suit you you don’t have to follow it.
It does however suit many other people (not everybody is like you)!
I’m sure your diet doesn’t many other people, but if it suits you then that’s just great - more power to your elbow!
Yea its pretty obvious. But saying keto doesn't limit fruit or veggies is a huge stretch.
And i would never suggest for anyone to follow UD2. Its not a faint diet or exercise routine. Its only for advanced dieters with a solid foundation of dieting knowledge.8 -
brneydgrlie wrote: »The "keto-flu" is actually an entirely preventable electrolyte imbalance. If you replace the electrolytes that you lose with early water weight you can skip the symptoms of fatigue, headache, nausea, brain fog, moodiness, bm issues, and muscle weakness, pain or spasms.
Most early keto'ers need 3000 to 5000 mg of sodium a day. There's 2300 mg of sodium in a teaspoon of salt.
I found cravings were gone within a week, and it became easy fairly soon after that. I didn't change my food too much though. I just dropped sugars and refined carbs (baking) first. Then I cut back on fruits and starchy veggies. Instead of a steak with potato and a veggie, I dropped the potato. My spaghetti with meat sauce became a lot of sauce on a small amount of spaghetti squash. I stopped putting my stirfries on rice. Stuff like that.
Good luck.
Nvmomketo is correct. However, it is better to use sea salt rather than regular table salt. I added potassium and magnesium supplements to my normal morning multivitamin, and avoided keto flu entirely.
Once you start, you may not want to stop. :-) One of the big benefits of removing the starchy carbs from your diet is reduced inflammation in your body. That's why so many people have big weight drops the first week (mostly water). So for most people that try keto, they feel great - fewer aches and pains - and sleep better. It also has the benefit of helping the body balance hormones. So no blood sugar highs and lows, which means more appetite control, and no more getting "hangry". And for women, better, more manageable PMS symptoms and periods.
I have been doing keto for a little over 3 months now, and really enjoying it. Which is not something I have ever said about a diet in the past!
the water weight and glycogen drops from doing keto is because your depeleting your body of it. has nothing to do with inflammation.your body holds onto water and glycogen when you eat carbs,lower your carbs dramatically and your body releases the glycogen and water.which also for many can cause the keto flu because electrolytes become imbalanced because your body releases sodium which is why you have to up sodium.magnesium and potassium. as for periods and pms keto made NO difference.
it also didnt make me sleep better or have fewer aches and pains in fact I had more. I was lethargic,tired and so on. I thought it was something my body had to get used to. Nope. blood sugar fluctuates and in a healthy person is a normal response. it doesnt control everyones appetite. someone said fat loss is better doing keto. for me it also made no difference. I didnt lose any more fat doing keto as opposed to not doing it.
carbs do not cause inflammation in everyone. I have RA and eat a LOT of carbs and my inflammation hasnt gotten any worse. on keto I was in pain all the time.I do have a health issue to where I cant do keto but had no idea at the time I did it. for me it made my health worse.10 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
Can we be honest, its laughable how little fruit one can consume doing keto. If you are honest with yourself, you do have to cut a lot of fruits out of your diet unless you want a third of a banana, half an apple, etc...
And this coming from a person who eats 5-6 servings a day of high gi and low gi fruits. I am setting myself to follow Lyle McDonalds UD2 protocol and the keto days are ridiculously tough for a person like me.
I prefer vegetables myself, so I did not cut a lot. Happily, fruit is not required for good health so it has no impact on my health beyond helping me lower my BG.
Eating fruit is a personal preference. That's it. It does not appeal to you. That's fine.
The idea of eating 5-6 pieces of fruit a day hurts my stomach to even think of it.... Personal preference.5 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
See that 50 carb plate of vegetables and the 20 grams one? Add them together and that would be my daily vegetable consumption. Add on top of that a banana and some strawberries and I am already pushing 100 grams of carbs. I also love things like carrots, sweet potato..... As I said keto is not for me because it limits my fruit and vegetable consumption too much and is not sustainable.
Sounds fine.2 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
See that 50 carb plate of vegetables and the 20 grams one? Add them together and that would be my daily vegetable consumption. Add on top of that a banana and some strawberries and I am already pushing 100 grams of carbs. I also love things like carrots, sweet potato..... As I said keto is not for me because it limits my fruit and vegetable consumption too much and is not sustainable.
Sounds fine.
That is because it is fine .... for me. Just don't keep saying keto is not restrictive because for many it is too restrictive for long term adherence, which can be said for any diet with too many rules and restrictions. JERF (Just eat real food) the majority of the time while keeping within calorie goals is quite liberating for many when they realise they don't need to be bound by so many rules and restrictions.
By real I am talking about fresh, largely unprocessed foods.11 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
See that 50 carb plate of vegetables and the 20 grams one? Add them together and that would be my daily vegetable consumption. Add on top of that a banana and some strawberries and I am already pushing 100 grams of carbs. I also love things like carrots, sweet potato..... As I said keto is not for me because it limits my fruit and vegetable consumption too much and is not sustainable.
Sounds fine.
That is because it is fine .... for me. Just don't keep saying keto is not restrictive because for many it is too restrictive for long term adherence, which can be said for any diet with too many rules and restrictions. JERF (Just eat real food) the majority of the time while keeping within calorie goals is quite liberating for many when they realise they don't need to be bound by so many rules and restrictions.
By real I am talking about fresh, largely unprocessed foods.
Where did you get that from? I did not say that.
But I do think rules and restrictions can work well for some people. As a celiac with IR, if I want good health, I better embrace some restrictions. Doing so, and the resulting improved health was quite liberating too.6 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
See that 50 carb plate of vegetables and the 20 grams one? Add them together and that would be my daily vegetable consumption. Add on top of that a banana and some strawberries and I am already pushing 100 grams of carbs. I also love things like carrots, sweet potato..... As I said keto is not for me because it limits my fruit and vegetable consumption too much and is not sustainable.
Sounds fine.
That is because it is fine .... for me. Just don't keep saying keto is not restrictive because for many it is too restrictive for long term adherence, which can be said for any diet with too many rules and restrictions. JERF (Just eat real food) the majority of the time while keeping within calorie goals is quite liberating for many when they realise they don't need to be bound by so many rules and restrictions.
By real I am talking about fresh, largely unprocessed foods.
All diet models that end up with eating in a calorie deficit have rules and restrictions!
It’s all about what rules you are will to follow and what restrictions you are able to live with.
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
Can we be honest, its laughable how little fruit one can consume doing keto. If you are honest with yourself, you do have to cut a lot of fruits out of your diet unless you want a third of a banana, half an apple, etc...
And this coming from a person who eats 5-6 servings a day of high gi and low gi fruits. I am setting myself to follow Lyle McDonalds UD2 protocol and the keto days are ridiculously tough for a person like me.
I prefer vegetables myself, so I did not cut a lot. Happily, fruit is not required for good health so it has no impact on my health beyond helping me lower my BG.
Eating fruit is a personal preference. That's it. It does not appeal to you. That's fine.
The idea of eating 5-6 pieces of fruit a day hurts my stomach to even think of it.... Personal preference.
+1
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »bustercrabby wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
For whatever reason there are people on here who constantly go out of their way to bash the keto diet. I don’t go on other forms talking trash on how people lose weight but to each his own. I personally love the ketogenic diet and unlike some of the responses, there is science that backs fat loss while in ketosis. There is no other form of eating that gets you into this state. That is what separates it from all others. Everyone will have different results and find it to be “easy or hard” depending on the individual. I was at a lull for about 2 straight months at 211lbs while counting calories on MFP. I reintroduce keto back into my diet and am now at 204 in a month and a half. Unlike other diets, there are no cheat days. Cheat days kick you out of ketosis and you have to work your way back to it. For me personally I find it hard at times to stay away from certain carbs but I balance it out by eating foods that are preferred like avocados, ribeye steaks, eggs, salami etc. I find having friends on here who also keto with open diaries a good way to find new recipes and items to eat. There is a simple book to read that’s on amazon called https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ketogenic-Diet-Beginners-Essential/dp/1623158087/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529034761&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=keto+diet&psc=1
It’s full of great info as well as a ton of recipes.
I agree. Most medical claims here are made by armchair dieticians. You can really tell who does and does not know much about ketones, carbs and fat. There is no "protein limiting" on the WOE. This is not restrictive in terms of the variety of foods you can eat. It is by definition though, very low in carbs which means most of the stuff in a pre-keto pantry has to be tossed.
And please stop thanking people "in advance". How do you realistically do that? Thank someone *after* they have helped, not before. If one insists on following this type of faux pas, then a simple "Thank you" is all you need. *Or* wait until after people have helped to thank them.
Could you please explain how the diet is not restrictive in terms of food variety, yet most of your pre-keto pantry needs to be tossed?
The reason most people have no long term success on this diet is because it is too restrictive. If you like foods that are high fat and low carb then this is genuinely a diet where long term success (I am talking maintenance with this way of eating) is achievable. If you know you can not cope without all fruits and vegetables (rather than a select few), or without grains then maybe it is not even worth starting because the chances of you adhering to it for any period of time in very low until there is a medical reason for it.
I am not bagging keto. I have seen and read great success stories. I will bag the woo that comes with some that think keto is some sort of magic or the only way of achieving goals because I believe everyone needs to know that there is no one diet that is best for everyone, just one diet that is best for you.
Most diets do not have long term success. I have never seem any evidence that keto is any worse. I've actually seen some that shows keto is more sustainable, TBH.
There is no need to limit fruits and veggies to a select few, but one must be prepared to limit the amount of those foods that they eat.
If you prefer sugary tropical fruit like bananas or mangoes, or like to eat dried fruits like raisins and dates, you won't be able to eat a lot of it... but you can do that if you wish. If you eat 50g of carbs a day, and choose to do that with two bananas, that a personal choice. If one prefers more variety and volume, you'll need more low glycemic load food choices.
Here are some 20 and 50g carb choices.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/20-50-how-much
Can we be honest, its laughable how little fruit one can consume doing keto. If you are honest with yourself, you do have to cut a lot of fruits out of your diet unless you want a third of a banana, half an apple, etc...
And this coming from a person who eats 5-6 servings a day of high gi and low gi fruits. I am setting myself to follow Lyle McDonalds UD2 protocol and the keto days are ridiculously tough for a person like me.
Well that’s the beauty of many different diet models. If keto doesn’t suit you you don’t have to follow it.
It does however suit many other people (not everybody is like you)!
I’m sure your diet doesn’t many other people, but if it suits you then that’s just great - more power to your elbow!
Yea its pretty obvious. But saying keto doesn't limit fruit or veggies is a huge stretch.
And i would never suggest for anyone to follow UD2. Its not a faint diet or exercise routine. Its only for advanced dieters with a solid foundation of dieting knowledge.
Nobody is suggesting that keto doesn’t limit fruit and veg - where has anyone said that?
If the keto diet is followed correctly what nutritional element does it lack to make the diet less than optimal?
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I did it for a year after I had my youngest son. I dropped a ton of weight, however, a large part of it was normal post pregnancy weight loss. I wont do it again for a number of reasons. I enjoy variety in my diet, and I felt very restricted by keto. No fruit besides a few berries?!?! I can't. No yogurt?!?! I literally can't. Also, this is Tmi, but it made me very constipated.0
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Hopefully you already understand that keto isn't magic, and that you absolutely 100% need to maintain a calorie deficit to lose weight. But if you are thinking of trying keto, it is useful to know before you start whether you find carbs, protein or fat the most satiating. If you're a carby person, keto is not going to be your jam. I am very strict with my CICO, but I personally really struggle when I eat the IIFYM way. For me, when I eat something starchy, I get hungry again very quickly. Not so if I eat (for example) a nice spinach, mushroom and feta omelette.
The old saying 'if you're not hungry enough to eat an apple, then you're not really hungry' does not seem to apply to me. I can tell you from experience that eating apples makes something happen to my digestive system that triggers hunger like nothing else. Within 5 minutes of eating an apple, for some reason I am ravenous. I've had minor binges that have been set off by eating apples (which I love) to try to satiate hunger.
Keto has been successful for me, but I believe that is because it regulates my hunger hormones, so that I am less inclined to want to snack between meals. I have been mostly eating this way for going on 3 years now. And I don't obsess about staying in ketosis. I treat fruit like candy. If I feel like having an apple after my dinner, then I have an apple - maybe once a week or so. People think it is 'wrong' to cut out carbs and that it is restrictive, and perhaps that is true for the majority of people. But for people like me, carbs are the reason I got the size I am. Not bingeing on sugar, not fast food, just good food and lots of it because I lack cognizance when it comes to portion control. I don't want to go back to eating a 'standard' diet. I like vegetables and eggs and some meat. It's worked for me, and I'm over halfway to my goal in just over 7 months of being serious with my CICO (edit to add: I'm down 52 pounds since December '17). Good luck, OP.
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Wow.. Thank you all for the info! I know that it's primarily a calorie deficit and that all diets are going to have that one component in common. This was to follow it and see how I like it.
I should have stated that I tried to stay away from carbs to begin with for a while now, but just not as restrictive as the 20g or less. I am currently 5' 5 and weigh 121 pounds. I'm just trying to lose some water weight really for this trip.
Also, I have been on this diet for about 4 days now. I have had the major headache, felt dizzy, and super fatigued. But I'm starting to feel better! I have lost a couple pounds of water weight. And it's definitely encouraging me to make this a lifestyle thing where I will cycle in and out of ketosis. But once again, this was for a trip and I just wanted to look a bit less bloated (which it has definitely reduced). Thanks to all!3 -
The "keto-flu" is actually an entirely preventable electrolyte imbalance. If you replace the electrolytes that you lose with early water weight you can skip the symptoms of fatigue, headache, nausea, brain fog, moodiness, bm issues, and muscle weakness, pain or spasms.
Most early keto'ers need 3000 to 5000 mg of sodium a day. There's 2300 mg of sodium in a teaspoon of salt.
I found cravings were gone within a week, and it became easy fairly soon after that. I didn't change my food too much though. I just dropped sugars and refined carbs (baking) first. Then I cut back on fruits and starchy veggies. Instead of a steak with potato and a veggie, I dropped the potato. My spaghetti with meat sauce became a lot of sauce on a small amount of spaghetti squash. I stopped putting my stirfries on rice. Stuff like that.
Good luck.
So I ended up getting the "keto flu", but I got the MIO drops to help with the electrolytes.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
This is a very uneducated opinion about Keto. I eat plenty of vegetables and :::gasp::: even some fruit. They aren't tiny amounts, often my lunch is a huge plate of salad with protein and then a homemade Balsamic Vinaigrette. Dinner is often grilled meat and a large side of veggies cooked in healthy fat. Honestly, the only thing I eat copious amounts of are leafy green veggies because I love them. And sometimes, I want a potato, so I eat a potato. Yes, initial weight lost is often water weight, but that is common with most any diet, and not exclusive to Keto.
And for the record, I never had the Keto Flu. I did my research before starting and simply upped my electrolyte consumption and when I did have that initial water weight loss, I felt perfectly fine.5 -
So I ended up getting the "keto flu", but I got the MIO drops to help with the electrolytes.
Emergen-C also makes a sugar-free Electrolyte Replenisher. Just like their other stuff, you just add a packet to a glass of water.0 -
You are at a healthy weight already. Wanting to drop water for a trip.. is a bit odd. Bets are that you'll store more water if you travel anyway. Possibly more due to higher temperatures, and if your unlucky due to TOM or any of the other dozens of reasons why women store more water. Plus, what do you want to eat while being on vacation? Continue with keto? Sounds rather restrictive unless you're doing a hiking trip through Mongolia where the diet is rather rich in fat and protein. As soon as you reintroduce carbs the water comes back. Why not just enjoy your vacation?8
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I agree with the above, dropping some water weight seems pretty futile before a vacation unless you have a photo shoot or something as soon as you arrive. But if you are travelling by plane, plus all the extra food, alcohol...unless you are planning on following keto the entire trip, the bloat will come back big time as soon as you introduce carbs again, maybe even more than if you didn't restrict them in the first place. Of course it's up to you what you want to do.2
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Wow.. Thank you all for the info! I know that it's primarily a calorie deficit and that all diets are going to have that one component in common. This was to follow it and see how I like it.
I should have stated that I tried to stay away from carbs to begin with for a while now, but just not as restrictive as the 20g or less. I am currently 5' 5 and weigh 121 pounds. I'm just trying to lose some water weight really for this trip.
Also, I have been on this diet for about 4 days now. I have had the major headache, felt dizzy, and super fatigued. But I'm starting to feel better! I have lost a couple pounds of water weight. And it's definitely encouraging me to make this a lifestyle thing where I will cycle in and out of ketosis. But once again, this was for a trip and I just wanted to look a bit less bloated (which it has definitely reduced). Thanks to all!
why would you want to cycle in and out of ketosis? what is the point of that?4 -
The "keto-flu" is actually an entirely preventable electrolyte imbalance. If you replace the electrolytes that you lose with early water weight you can skip the symptoms of fatigue, headache, nausea, brain fog, moodiness, bm issues, and muscle weakness, pain or spasms.
Most early keto'ers need 3000 to 5000 mg of sodium a day. There's 2300 mg of sodium in a teaspoon of salt.
I found cravings were gone within a week, and it became easy fairly soon after that. I didn't change my food too much though. I just dropped sugars and refined carbs (baking) first. Then I cut back on fruits and starchy veggies. Instead of a steak with potato and a veggie, I dropped the potato. My spaghetti with meat sauce became a lot of sauce on a small amount of spaghetti squash. I stopped putting my stirfries on rice. Stuff like that.
Good luck.
So I ended up getting the "keto flu", but I got the MIO drops to help with the electrolytes.
Add a fair bit of salt, and it should do the trick in avoiding ket flu. 3
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