July 2018 Running Challenge
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LaDispute57 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »That grilled cheese sounds wonderful, but might be a bit difficult logistically unless a local restaurant is your sponsor.
Sign me up!2 -
I skipped breakfast this morning and wound up having to take my lunch early due to peeking in on this thread.
I am about to start adding nutrition and fueling into my training runs. The only thing I know is that honey stingers are icky (to me). I can't imagine eating a sandwich in the middle of a race but I know ultras are a whole other ballgame as far as race fueling goes.
Rest day for me today and yesterday.6 -
July Running Challenge
Goal: 40 km
Done: 17.5/40 km
9/7/18 Run 5 km SL A
8/7/18 Run 2 km Walk 4 km
7/7/18 Walk 3 km SL B
5/7/18 Run 2.5 km Walk 6 km
4/7/18 Run 2 km Walk 7 km SL A
3/7/18 Run 4 km Walk 9 km
2/7/18 Run 2 km Walk 5 km
1/7/18 Walk 7 km2 -
At aid stations for our local event we set up a series of 4-5 garbage bags/boxs at various distances 5,10,20 and 40 meters out from the aid stations. This eliminated 90% of the trail trash. Also it was repeated multiple times during the pre race briefing.
Favorite food item baby potatoes and a salt dip followed by PB cookies.4 -
5k on the Greenway - pretty good run, didn't get hot until we were almost finished. First mile at 9:40 then had to slow down because my husband's asthma was bugging him. But I felt like I had more in the tank and we finished in 31 something, which makes me feel like I'll be back to sub 30 soon.
We went for a long walk on the river bank to cool down, and saw the biggest soft shell turtle I've ever seen in the river! He was submerged in mud at the bottom except for his head and neck, which were the size of a grown man's hand on an arm! Just his wee little nostrils poking out above the surface. He noticed us staring at him and swam off, leaving a giant sized mud cloud in the water. I also got to enjoy one of the few pleasant side effects of being a diabetic - I was mobbed by butterflies landing on me! I had a big navel orange before the run and some of it must have come out in my sweat. By the time we got home my bg was actually low, so it got used up on the run.5 -
juliet3455 wrote: »Favorite food item baby potatoes and a salt dip followed by PB cookies.
Damnit... pavlovian response for PB cookies...1 -
juliet3455 wrote: »At aid stations for our local event we set up a series of 4-5 garbage bags/boxs at various distances 5,10,20 and 40 meters out from the aid stations. This eliminated 90% of the trail trash. Also it was repeated multiple times during the pre race briefing.
Favorite food item baby potatoes and a salt dip followed by PB cookies.
Man those sound good.0 -
girlinahat wrote: »re: sweaty hands.
I have just come back from a weekend of fast swing dancing (collegiate shag). four hour workshops in non-airconditioned rooms, plus evening dances. You rotate partners a lot during classes, and dance will a variety of people during the socials. The tempo ranges from 180-220beats per minute. I take sweat from the leads arm, and put it on the next leads arm, ad infinitum. Add that to my own sweat and we are all pretty much just mixing our sweat together in one big wet dripping mess. You change shirts, you change t-shirts, but straight away you sweat into that new shirt.
Okay I'm not putting any of that sweat in my mouth, but the point is, if I cared about sweat I wouldn't do it. If you are that bothered by the hygiene of someone's hand in the bowl before you, I guess you'll have to be self-sufficient.
There's a lot of discussion from race organisers about how to deal with the plastic cup thing, and it IS pretty hard. Some will allow you to buy your own to clip on, but that takes a small amount of time to fill. Paper cups have their own environmental issues (they are never truly biodegradable as many have waxes on or plastic coatings). There are also a lot of complaints about the mess left after races (less so on trails because they tend to be smaller races AND good waste disposal is perhaps encouraged more. After the Brighton and Portsmouth marathons, the images of the bottles strewn on the ground were really depressing. These are races that are run pretty much on the beach, so the chances of littering the sea are too high not to do anything about it. More bins, and fostering a culture that it just isn't acceptable to drop litter is the way to go.
Sweat on someone's hands doesn't bother me, but sweat is the least of what gets on hands. Runners also blow snot rockets, and use porta potties which have washing stations with no water in the pumps, and so on. Yeah, I am bothered, I have lupus and diabetes and an illness which is minor to someone else could kill me. And I know I'm not the only immune-compromised runner out there - how many runners are cancer survivors? Other people's hands are not good things to have on your food!8 -
KeepRunningFatboy wrote: »
And @AlphaHowls is like my hero
She's been mine too this last month.1 -
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I can't imagine eating a sandwich in the middle of a race but I know ultras are a whole other ballgame as far as race fueling goes.
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midwesterner85 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Here are my thoughts on waste and such at aid stations, and I know there are many runners who will disagree (which is a big reason why I asked):
The race I'm talking about will provide the cups and the aid station sponsors will provide trash cans / cleanup. I love to see cup-less races, but have only seen this once. At that particular race, it was a half-marathon (so no BQ's anyway) and they gave out refillable cups at packet pickup. The cups clipped onto a waistband and you squeezed it to open. You could opt out of this and save $2.00 off the race fee (I did this) and bring your own bottle. But there were no cups given out. You filled your own at the aid stations. They had quick-pour spouts (seriously, these would fill my 20 oz. in about 2 seconds, no joke). This was just outside a national park and done as a destination race. There was an important "No trash" policy. Aid stations did have snacks with wrappers and trash cans (mostly Honey Stinger as they were a sponsor). It was very clearly stated in the rules that you would be DQ'ed and banned from future races by this organization if you were caught littering. When I see pictures of cups everywhere on the street around aid stations at the big city races, I cringe because I know this can work. Yet I always get a lot of runners telling me there is just no way. At my last road race, I did what everyone else did (just threw the cups on the ground), but only because there were no trash cans provided at many of the aid stations. Of course it isn't possible then! But yea... I hate littering and waste.
This particular race is a "trail run" on a rails-to-trails trail. It gets much of the road runner crowd and not technical trails crowd, but the trail is only around maybe 10-15 feet wide and crushed limestone. They estimate 400 runners, so this is a pretty small crowd. I've run smaller (smallest had 19 total runners for the marathon and probably 3-4 times that for the half marathon race starting half-way along as both were point-to-point), but 400 is still a pretty small race.
I really like the reusable cup idea for drinks but I can imagine at a major race like the Pittsburgh Marathon, the condition at the water stops might get very complex when you have 100s of runners all at once - must of which appear to be dumb-dumbs. (meant in the best possible way of course).
When I did my 50k trail race, I brought my own bottles (the set that matched my belt) and topped off at each station. No waste that way. Worked very well in that environment but massively fewer people in that race, and I imagine only more serious runners show up for a 50k. So that probably helps a lot.
I've heard that, but I'm not convinced. The race where I saw this had probably around 5K participants, more or less, and the concept just scales to a larger number. There would just be more Quick-Fill spigots / color-coded dispensers as the quantity of runners increases.
At the race expo / packet pickup, they had these spigots available for practice even... so everyone knew how to use it (not like it was terribly complicated.
Likely this product: http://www.hydrapouch.com/ they have the pouch for the runners, and the ultraspout for quick refills. I used the pouch during my marathon and give it high marks. The race still had paper cups, but it was so easy to
- take paper cup and pour into pouch on the run (sometimes first took a sport drink first and a second cup of water to dilute)
- since transfer was quick, I didn't have to do the run/drink/spill routine or stop/walk/drink and/or gulp. I drank in a controlled fashion and as I needed, often for up to 2-5 minutes.
- I was able to immediately get rid of cup (doesn't avoid trash issue), but as noted, pouch does allow you to drink as you wish and when hydrated, dump the remaining liquid and place back on belt/pocket,etc
- I also was able to better control pick my pickup spot and avoid runners halting and making for an easier on/off experience
While I have seen the spout in a race, it does look quick from the video. I don't think you will ever see at a Chicago/NYC Marathon given the size and inability to get runners to 100% adapt, but a race of a controlled size and with advance notice of needing either own bottle or provided pouch would be able to easy implement.
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7/1 rest
7/2 4miles
7/3 7miles
7/4 rest
7/5 4miles
7/6 5miles
7/7 11miles
7/8 rest
7/9 6miles
Got a late start this morning from sleep in late! I'm sleeping on a tiny twin bed and my 5 year old crawled into bed with me at some point during the night. Ugh, that meant my sleep was terrible. Oh well, 6 miles went pretty well - it was warm, but bearable especially when I turned into the breeze.
Easy 4 tomorrow!
3/18/2018 Shamrock half marathon
3/24/2018 Don't Sit on Colon Cancer 5K
5/28/2018 Run to Remember 5K
10/7/2018 Crawlin Crab half marathon
10/13/2018 Joggin for Frogmen 5K
11/18/2018 Norfolk Harbor half marathon5 -
I've only run a few races... the 5Ks I've run I don't even bother with a water stop.
At the Shamrock half marathon I grabbed a cup of Gatorade at just about every stop. I was aiming for a PR so I didn't want to slow down - I grabbed from a volunteer holding a cup out, tried to drink as much as I could without slowing down, then tossed the cup toward the trash can. Honestly, the trash cans weren't placed well at all and I missed almost all of them. I do think each aid station was responsible for picking up all the cups/trash around their station. My daughter's swim team volunteers for an aid station and they bring rakes and brooms to clean up all the cups.
I listened to the runner's world podcast and one of their staff member's run the race route the following day after the Runner's World half marathon to pick up all the trash that is missed. He was saying the goo packets are the worst thing to have to pick up.
If I was trying to BQ, I don't think I'd be stopping at aid stations anyway other than for water or Gatorade. I'd think BQ'ers have prepared their own fueling and aren't slowing down to grab a snack along the way.
I'd be ok with volunteers with gloved hands handing out snacks/food, but dipping my hand into a communal bowl wouldn't be my thing. I'm not one to eat during a run, but if I do end up running a marathon I will probably change my mind. Although, I'd probably have my own fueling plan planned.
A friend told me the best thing she ever had during a warm marathon was icy pops or Otter pops or Popsicles or whatever it's called where you are from.
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Morning all.
today was interesting. When I went to bed last night I had a bit of an upset tummy. not enough to turn into anything but enough to make me question if I will be doing my morning run. At about 2am it had eased (yay) but the weather took a turn for the worst. I still got up at 5:30am and went - fortunately windy but not raining woo hoo. And Strava worked with the tracking this time! I think I need to remember to restart my phone every few days because that was probably the issue. I managed 7km this morning as well!! and all my splits were pretty close to each other.
Sadly the GI problems have come back in the last hour. I wasn't able to eat all my breakfast and I'm feeling a bit off. I'm hoping its just because I've changed up my diet a little - adding a bit of protein rich foods like tuna and yogurt. Will see.
so today was 7km, bringing my total to 45/90 - half way to my goal and its only part way through week two! Other than the tummy i'm feeling pretty good so far. A bit tight in the calves from time to time but I make sure I stretch when I can, and always do a bit of yoga before bed to help with any tight bits.
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Just popping in and have waaay too much catching up to do, but I was skimming through and wanted to make a comment on the aid station question for @midwesterner85 . By far, my favorite treat during a marathon is orange slices. They are the perfect snack because they taste like heaven at mile whatever and the waste issue is pretty much non-existent. I also like the idea of Twizzlers or Starbursts for candy. Twizzlers minimizes the "sweaty hands" issue and there is no waste. Starbursts eliminate that issue and the waste/litter is minimal because most people will shove the wrapper in their pocket.3
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Meant to post this earlier: Killian Jornet smashes Billy Bland’s 1982 Bob Graham Round record2
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July 1- 6 miles, mostly trail
July 2- rest day
July 3- 6.7 miles 10 X 400s w/ 200 recoveries
July 4- 3.6 mile sweaty trail run
July 5- rest day
July 6- 5 miles easy
July 7- 6.3 miles + 1.4 miles with Stella
July 8- 7 miles
July 9- rest day
36/120 miles
Last 5 days have been out of hand busy, so I have just tried to squeeze some runs in whenever I could.
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Lots of interesting ideas on aid station fixes. There is such a thing as edible cups, but I have never seen one in person and only know of their existence in passing. I wonder how those would work? Drink your fluid and then eat the cup. No waste.1
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PastorVincent wrote: »Lots of interesting ideas on aid station fixes. There is such a thing as edible cups, but I have never seen one in person and only know of their existence in passing. I wonder how those would work? Drink your fluid and then eat the cup. No waste.
Nothing new on race day?........1 -
girlinahat wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »Lots of interesting ideas on aid station fixes. There is such a thing as edible cups, but I have never seen one in person and only know of their existence in passing. I wonder how those would work? Drink your fluid and then eat the cup. No waste.
Nothing new on race day?........
I think I have broken that at every major race so far... and some of the smaller ones!1 -
I'm off to a bad start here trying to keep up with the thread. Two questions were asked.
I live in the Huntsville, Alabama, USA area.
My favorite race to date would be the Oak Barrel HM in Lynchburg, TN sponsored by the Jack Daniels Distillery.
(Ran it 3x)
Date Miles today - Miles for July
7/3 6.2 miles - 6.2
7/5 6.2 miles - 12.4
7/7 8 miles - 20.4
Races this year
Oak Barrel Half Marathon - 4/7/18 -- 1:47:24
Upcoming races:
None at the moment5 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Here are my thoughts on waste and such at aid stations, and I know there are many runners who will disagree (which is a big reason why I asked):
The race I'm talking about will provide the cups and the aid station sponsors will provide trash cans / cleanup. I love to see cup-less races, but have only seen this once. At that particular race, it was a half-marathon (so no BQ's anyway) and they gave out refillable cups at packet pickup. The cups clipped onto a waistband and you squeezed it to open. You could opt out of this and save $2.00 off the race fee (I did this) and bring your own bottle. But there were no cups given out. You filled your own at the aid stations. They had quick-pour spouts (seriously, these would fill my 20 oz. in about 2 seconds, no joke). This was just outside a national park and done as a destination race. There was an important "No trash" policy. Aid stations did have snacks with wrappers and trash cans (mostly Honey Stinger as they were a sponsor). It was very clearly stated in the rules that you would be DQ'ed and banned from future races by this organization if you were caught littering. When I see pictures of cups everywhere on the street around aid stations at the big city races, I cringe because I know this can work. Yet I always get a lot of runners telling me there is just no way. At my last road race, I did what everyone else did (just threw the cups on the ground), but only because there were no trash cans provided at many of the aid stations. Of course it isn't possible then! But yea... I hate littering and waste.
This particular race is a "trail run" on a rails-to-trails trail. It gets much of the road runner crowd and not technical trails crowd, but the trail is only around maybe 10-15 feet wide and crushed limestone. They estimate 400 runners, so this is a pretty small crowd. I've run smaller (smallest had 19 total runners for the marathon and probably 3-4 times that for the half marathon race starting half-way along as both were point-to-point), but 400 is still a pretty small race.
I really like the reusable cup idea for drinks but I can imagine at a major race like the Pittsburgh Marathon, the condition at the water stops might get very complex when you have 100s of runners all at once - must of which appear to be dumb-dumbs. (meant in the best possible way of course).
When I did my 50k trail race, I brought my own bottles (the set that matched my belt) and topped off at each station. No waste that way. Worked very well in that environment but massively fewer people in that race, and I imagine only more serious runners show up for a 50k. So that probably helps a lot.
I've heard that, but I'm not convinced. The race where I saw this had probably around 5K participants, more or less, and the concept just scales to a larger number. There would just be more Quick-Fill spigots / color-coded dispensers as the quantity of runners increases.
At the race expo / packet pickup, they had these spigots available for practice even... so everyone knew how to use it (not like it was terribly complicated.
Likely this product: http://www.hydrapouch.com/ they have the pouch for the runners, and the ultraspout for quick refills. I used the pouch during my marathon and give it high marks. The race still had paper cups, but it was so easy to
- take paper cup and pour into pouch on the run (sometimes first took a sport drink first and a second cup of water to dilute)
- since transfer was quick, I didn't have to do the run/drink/spill routine or stop/walk/drink and/or gulp. I drank in a controlled fashion and as I needed, often for up to 2-5 minutes.
- I was able to immediately get rid of cup (doesn't avoid trash issue), but as noted, pouch does allow you to drink as you wish and when hydrated, dump the remaining liquid and place back on belt/pocket,etc
- I also was able to better control pick my pickup spot and avoid runners halting and making for an easier on/off experience
While I have seen the spout in a race, it does look quick from the video. I don't think you will ever see at a Chicago/NYC Marathon given the size and inability to get runners to 100% adapt, but a race of a controlled size and with advance notice of needing either own bottle or provided pouch would be able to easy implement.
Yes, that is it. Like I said, I just brought my own hand-held bottle anyway, so did not get a hydrapouch.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »No waste.
Until later.7 -
Aiming for 50 Miles
July 1 - 3 miles 35:00 Happy Canada Day
July 2 - 5.58 Miles 60:00 Hilly, windy, and cold on this holiday Monday.
July 3 - HIIT class so no run.
July 4 - 3.25 miles 37:30
July 5 - 5.4 miles 56:30 Intervals 400;800;1200;1600;1200;800;400m
July 6 - No run
July 7 - 7 miles 1:17:25 This was a struggle today. I wanted to stop after a few steps! Then I just put one foot in front of the other.
July 8 - 3.5 miles 42:00 slow and easy today.
July 9 - 3 miles 50 minutes A combination of hill repeats - running and walking
Total: 30.73
July 15 - The Moose Is Loose 10k trail run
Goal- under 60 minutes2 -
Running challenge
1 July: 5.30 at 5:09 pace (race pace)
2 July: yoga
3 July: 7.01 at 5:45 pace
4 July: yoga
5 July: 12.66 at 5:50 pace (“unproductive" according to Garmin)
6 July: rest
7 July: yoga
8 July: 15.2 at 6:01 (slow and steady)
9 July: yoga
10 July: 6.0 at 6:02 pace (probably faster but I had a child on a bike in tow who kept needing a push - I certainly had to work harder) plus another 1.8km at about the same pace with similar issues getting the younger daughter to kindy.
47.97 of 150km for July3 -
LaDispute57 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »No waste.
Until later.
Well no additional waste then!3 -
_nikkiwolf_ wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »Paper cups would be far more sanitary and could be composted. Just an option.
If I saw 100s of sweaty people dipping hands in a blow of candy, I would pass it by and think bad thoughts. No thanks.
Spread it out on a tray rather than in a bowl, even less problems.
What about the fact that the hands of one or more people touched the orange slice that you grab, is that also an issue?
I'd rather worry about touching the locking mechanism of the porta-potty doors if I wanted to start freaking out about unsanitary things in a race
It's not the sweat that bothers me. How many people blow/wipe their nose en route? How many use a portaloo before they begin? I can only imagine the bacterial cocktail that is a communal sweet basket. Ew.
Also, my personal belief is your should know exactly what fuel you may need during your event and take it with you. Eating foods/lollies/candy that you haven't trained with can really throw your event if they disagree with you (or get stuck in your teeth). I learnt very early on to skip all treats on offer - at one of my first events I got given a shot of Red Bull about 2km from the end. I felt amazing for about 100 metres then totally died. Never again. I see no need for aid stations to have anything other than water (and a secret stash of glucose/electrolyte drinks for those in true need of aid and are about to DNF).1 -
It became too easy not to keep up with my runs when my daughter’s soccer team was done with the spring season at the end of June. I brought all my running stuff on vacation last week, but didn’t make it out once. At least there was some walking and swimming. My health assessment at work is at the end of the month and I made some huge improvements over last year, so just need to work to make up the last few weeks. I’m not going to make a distance goal for this month as not really sure what my plan is for the fall. I really want to get back to 3-4 runs a week for the remainder of the month, so that’s what I’ll go for.
Ran along the river after work today as figured there might be a breeze off of the river vs. driving home. Temp was in the high 80’s, but with the humidity it was in the 90’s. Figured I would do 2 miles along the river. It was hot but there was a breeze coming off the river, so followed the breeze to 1.5 and figured I’d try and get 3 in. It was a grind, but mentally felt good when I was done.
7/9 - 3 miles
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7/1: 4.5 miles
7/3: 2.5 miles
7/4: 6.3 miles
7/6: 3 miles
7/7: 5 miles
7/8: 5.2 miles + 3.3 mile hike
7/9: 2 miles
Total: 28.5/85
Upcoming Races:
Wineglass Marathon 9/30
Only got in 2 of my planned 4 miles. I plan to get up early tomorrow to do intervals for the other 2.2
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