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That Keto is so hot right now
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skinnyjingbb wrote: »I have tried Keto myself, it worked well. But I don't think there is agreement on long-term effect of keto diet. What I felt most important in my process of researching keto diet is "Eat Less Sugar". I think most people on this forum would say cutting out sugar and reduce simple carb is good.
Not really, I would suggest for them to reduce their calories if they are not at a deficit and simply eat the foods that they enjoy as long as they meet their protein, fiber, micronutrients and of course they need to make sure that they are at a caloric deficit. If they meet all these requirements, I couldn't care less if the rest of their diet is made up of foods with high sugar and/or simple carbs (unless they have health issues that requires them to avoid them). I hate the all or nothing mentality. People tend to forget that there can be an in between too.
I hate the you must eat all foodz in moderation or consign yourself to inevitable failure mentality. People tend to forget the elimination approach is a viable method for those it aligns with.
Pointing out that there can be a moderate approach isn't the same thing as insisting that everyone *must* take a moderate approach.13 -
I promise that you wouldn't want to go to a buffet with any of us. Your insulin would go thru the roof from sitting next to those of us who eat potatoes.7 -
AYCE sushi, done that. The owner asked us when we were leaving. LOL I’m sure they have our pic on their wall. “Do not serve these people”.3
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skinnyjingbb wrote: »I have tried Keto myself, it worked well. But I don't think there is agreement on long-term effect of keto diet. What I felt most important in my process of researching keto diet is "Eat Less Sugar". I think most people on this forum would say cutting out sugar and reduce simple carb is good.
Why would it be good? That would be very dependent on the individual situation of the person. For some it might be good. For others completely unnecessary.
I think this whole approach to eating is a failed one. It's not what am I doing wrong that I need to cut. IMHO, the better approach is what is the hierarchy of how I want to eat to achieve my body weight and composition goals. For most people that should look like:
Protein- The essential nutrient for building tissue. Based on my exercise level and for satiety, how much per day on a spectrum of from .6 gr to 1 gram per lb of lean mass.
Fats-Essential for hormone and brain function among other things. Minimum of .3 gr per lb of body weight. More according to preference.
Carb- Whatever the heck you want after you accomplish the first 2. A variety of fruits and vegetables for micro nutrients and then, some cookies, or ice cream if that will make you happy and keep you on track with your body weight and body composition goals.
If you are overeating sugar and simple carbs, you aren't following a hierarchy like this. So, for that person, yes reducing them would be good. But blanket statement like you've made are just plain wrong as they don't take context and dose into consideration.
As you can see, most people on this forum, would not say that kind of generalization.7 -
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100_PROOF_ wrote: »
I promise that you wouldn't want to go to a buffet with any of us. Your insulin would go thru the roof from sitting next to those of us who eat potatoes.
Sweetie, I don't go to potato buffets anyway. I was thinking Asian...
We can't do Asian . li Yang's ex sister in law works there and she might get upset because I never returned her beagle yet. Plus I accused her of taking the Burberry coat from the laundry room.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »
The SAD is known for the relative *lack* of whole grains, not an emphasis on them.
Granted, Wikipedia is not Gospel, but the following is quoted from there. I may be mistaken about what I said regarding "whole grains", but SAD carbs are really quite high.
"The typical American diet is about 50% carbohydrate, 15% protein, and 35% fat.[7] These macronutrient intakes fall within the Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Ranges (AMDR) for adults identified by the Food and Nutrition Board of the United States Institute of Medicine as "associated with reduced risk of chronic diseases while providing adequate intakes of essential nutrients," which are 45-65% carbohydrate, 10-35% protein, and 20-35% fat as a percentage of total energy.[8] However, the nutritional quality of the specific foods comprising those macronutrients is often poor..."
I'd say my carbs are probably around 50% or more and I wouldn't consider my diet anything close to what most people would consider the SAD. When I hear "SAD" I think of high quantities of low nutrient foods and a substantial lack of veg and fruit...not really a macro %. Most vegans and vegetarians eat well above 50% carbohydrate as well.
Yes, certain medical conditions require the monitoring of carbohydrates...but 50% for a healthy person, particularly if they're eating mostly higher quality carbohydrates isn't really an issue...there's nothing inherently wrong with carbohydrates, but on Facebook at what not, it is very apparent that many people can't seem to figure that out.
Most of my carbs come from whole foods...lots of legumes and lentils, oats, root vegies, veggies, fruit, etc.
Whats your fiber intake on 3000 cals with that many whole foods? On a side note, I know a few people who run glucose burning 6 months a year and keto 6 months a year. They are all into the primal thing. Kind of like some, I repeat some of our ancestors would have. Glucose for the happy times and keto to simulate more barren times of the year. Strange to me, but works for them.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »
We will. Anvil can drive because we'll just be too exhausted afterwards, but we'll show 'em how it's done.
Could I drive, and we can put Anvil on the pole?3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
We will. Anvil can drive because we'll just be too exhausted afterwards, but we'll show 'em how it's done.
Could I drive, and we can put Anvil on the pole?
You know I really wanted to say just this. But I thought he would get upset with me and read me the riot act. Or even complain to Stevie Closer. Thank you for conveying this. Because the sight, the wonder of it, would be beautiful and I would pay a $100 cover charge to see it.
You really just want to see them both dancing, don't you? Tricky, tricky, tricky.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »skinnyjingbb wrote: »I have tried Keto myself, it worked well. But I don't think there is agreement on long-term effect of keto diet. What I felt most important in my process of researching keto diet is "Eat Less Sugar". I think most people on this forum would say cutting out sugar and reduce simple carb is good.
Not really, I would suggest for them to reduce their calories if they are not at a deficit and simply eat the foods that they enjoy as long as they meet their protein, fiber, micronutrients and of course they need to make sure that they are at a caloric deficit. If they meet all these requirements, I couldn't care less if the rest of their diet is made up of foods with high sugar and/or simple carbs (unless they have health issues that requires them to avoid them). I hate the all or nothing mentality. People tend to forget that there can be an in between too.
I hate the you must eat all foodz in moderation or consign yourself to inevitable failure mentality. People tend to forget the elimination approach is a viable method for those it aligns with.
Pointing out that there can be a moderate approach isn't the same thing as insisting that everyone *must* take a moderate approach.
Actually hate was the word he used. Not must.
"You must eat all foodz in moderation or consign yourself to inevitable failure"
I have never seen someone insisting that someone eat all foods in moderation. It's a ridiculous statement on its face. Given culture, geography, ethics, financial considerations, and taste preferences, nobody eats "all foods."
I was pointing out that they claim to hate an position that doesn't actually exist.4 -
psychod787 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »
The SAD is known for the relative *lack* of whole grains, not an emphasis on them.
Granted, Wikipedia is not Gospel, but the following is quoted from there. I may be mistaken about what I said regarding "whole grains", but SAD carbs are really quite high.
"The typical American diet is about 50% carbohydrate, 15% protein, and 35% fat.[7] These macronutrient intakes fall within the Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Ranges (AMDR) for adults identified by the Food and Nutrition Board of the United States Institute of Medicine as "associated with reduced risk of chronic diseases while providing adequate intakes of essential nutrients," which are 45-65% carbohydrate, 10-35% protein, and 20-35% fat as a percentage of total energy.[8] However, the nutritional quality of the specific foods comprising those macronutrients is often poor..."
I'd say my carbs are probably around 50% or more and I wouldn't consider my diet anything close to what most people would consider the SAD. When I hear "SAD" I think of high quantities of low nutrient foods and a substantial lack of veg and fruit...not really a macro %. Most vegans and vegetarians eat well above 50% carbohydrate as well.
Yes, certain medical conditions require the monitoring of carbohydrates...but 50% for a healthy person, particularly if they're eating mostly higher quality carbohydrates isn't really an issue...there's nothing inherently wrong with carbohydrates, but on Facebook at what not, it is very apparent that many people can't seem to figure that out.
Most of my carbs come from whole foods...lots of legumes and lentils, oats, root vegies, veggies, fruit, etc.
Whats your fiber intake on 3000 cals with that many whole foods? On a side note, I know a few people who run glucose burning 6 months a year and keto 6 months a year. They are all into the primal thing. Kind of like some, I repeat some of our ancestors would have. Glucose for the happy times and keto to simulate more barren times of the year. Strange to me, but works for them.
i used to be in the 3000cal range - my fiber would normally be in the 40-50g range - most of my carbs came from starches (rice, potatos, farro etc) - i discovered anything over 60g of fiber makes me REALLY uncomfortable - even after building it up - my goal is 15g fiber per 1000calories1 -
Tony Gentilcore on keto: http://tonygentilcore.com/2018/07/take-keto-craze/1
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