Ancient Bone broth and the nutritional infi
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Just a thought, quoting from the link above:
"The Myth: According to the proponents of leaky gut syndrome, bacteria and toxins enter the bloodstream through these defective tight junctions and wreak havoc throughout the body, causing bloating, gas, cramps, inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), as well as fatigue, food sensitivities, joint pain, moodiness, irritability, sleeplessness, autism, and skin problems like eczema and psoriasis."
How would toxins and bacteria that migrate into the blood cause problems from where they migrate, the intestines? If they are in the blood they aren't in the intestines anymore and would not cause bloating, cramps, bowel inflammations. Hence problem solved, no? And again, if they move from the blood to the joints, skin (joint pain, skin problems) and brain (autism) and cause problems there, then why aren't they removed via the kidneys? Or do they cling to bloodcells until they are at at a location where they can cause problems?12 -
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Oooh - I just had a delicious clear soup made from homemade chicken stock, a few bits of chicken meat gleaned from the carcass and some noodles - twas tasty, though not the prettiest food on earth. :
eta - I am old but my chicken stock was prtty fresh
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alrighty. I just googled and got a recipe for "gut healing bone broth" and read it.
apart from adding cider vinegar and the extra cooking time it is the same as how brown stock is made (i.e. how I learned it at catering school). so, yeah. that.9 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Powdered bone broth is about the collagen peptides and even though it has a protein profile it’s about the collagen benefits as a nutritional supplement. The research is become quite prolific over the last 35 years regarding topical collagen and ingested collagen
But wouldn't you take in enough collagen from a normal healthy diet anyway? I wouldn't imagine you'd need that big an amount that you'd have to spend money on posh stock cubes. Maybe just make some calf's foot jelly instead.2 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »For those who don’t believe in leaky gut another name for it is I B S and Chron’s disease Colitis ect. Check out the Mayo Clinic
Oh my lord. No. Just no. They are totally different! Please do not spread such medical misinformation. That is just dangerous!11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Millicent3015 wrote: »I had bone tablets as a child for calcium deficiency, but "powdered bone broth" sounds like you're just buying fancy stock cubes. Personally I'd just use Bovril.
Is that what that means? I was thinking it meant pulverized bones, not dehydrated stock. But I'm betting you're probably right.
Pulverised animal bones is what chalk used to be made of, and it was given in tablet form to children with calcium deficiency. To pulverise bones at home you'd need to dry them out in an oven on low heat for about three days before grinding them (while presumably chanting "fee fi fo fum").3 -
Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself27 -
On the Mayo Connect site. IE their forums. Not in their actual listing of diseases and conditions: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/index?letter=L
Sort of like how we can have forum topics like "Keep a Word, Add a Word" or "Is Starvation Mode Real" or "Ancient Bone Broth" on the MFP forums, regardless of whether any of the above are fitness-related or scientifically accurate.19 -
Crohn's (not Chrons) is not a symptom, it's a disease. No doctor no where no how is going to diagnose "leaky gut" instead of Crohn's. That alone shows me you aren't that familiar with GI conditions (also the IBS and Crohn's being the same or even related to each other...nope). You should read
the badgut link. It's by a major gastroenterology association. Posting it again because you didn't read it https://www.badgut.org/information-centre/a-z-digestive-topics/leaky-gut-syndrome/11 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself
Epstein Barr and chickenpox virus are caused by different viruses.
So, y’know, I’ll educate myself if you will.12 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself
Epstein Barr and chickenpox virus are caused by different viruses.
So, y’know, I’ll educate myself if you will.
I guess every disease is the same apparenrly.10 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »For those who don’t believe in leaky gut another name for it is I B S and Chron’s disease Colitis ect. Check out the Mayo Clinic
The only connection this link and the info in it has to the Mayo Clinic is that the Mayo Clinic hosts the chat room...10 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on science.
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clsumrall1 wrote: »Lol. Well what caught my interest is the personal results I haveHad. I’m lucky here in NE Pennsylvania I have great access to dairy and farm which are all grass feed cow lamb pork. It’s so clean and quite different from grain fed. To make bone broth which has quite different profile than stock or regular broth. FYI. Must cook for about 3 days and requires apple cider vinegar that is organic and raw to do the proper treatment. I us marrow bones chicken feet and carcass as well as lamb and pork. FYI do your due diligence. please, and if you don’t like the discussion feel free to leave. But stop the hate ing
Pigs and hogs are omnivores. Grass is not the only thing they are eating. If a field mouse happens along then your meat will get all dirty and ungrassy.
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I find it especially amazing that you have to use RAW apple cider vinegar, and then cook it for 72 hours. Oh, and that the pigs are fed only grass12
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clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself
Pathophysiology books, scholarly articles, and medical practitioners disagree with you. What makes you more educated than those in the field?8 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
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clsumrall1 wrote: »Lol. Well what caught my interest is the personal results I haveHad. I’m lucky here in NE Pennsylvania I have great access to dairy and farm which are all grass feed cow lamb pork. It’s so clean and quite different from grain fed. To make bone broth which has quite different profile than stock or regular broth. FYI. Must cook for about 3 days and requires apple cider vinegar that is organic and raw to do the proper treatment. I us marrow bones chicken feet and carcass as well as lamb and pork. FYI do your due diligence. please, and if you don’t like the discussion feel free to leave. But stop the hate ing
Pigs and hogs are omnivores. Grass is not the only thing they are eating. If a field mouse happens along then your meat will get all dirty and ungrassy.
Of course they eat everything that comes near them that is the point I’m making not grain fed or this out of a bag but what free range grass pastures have to offer. Really ?4 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.17 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I find it especially amazing that you have to use RAW apple cider vinegar, and then cook it for 72 hours. Oh, and that the pigs are fed only grass
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clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
Everything you have said is demonstrably false, pointing that out is not an attack.14 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »I find it especially amazing that you have to use RAW apple cider vinegar, and then cook it for 72 hours. Oh, and that the pigs are fed only grass10
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nutmegoreo wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.
Really and they know more than the Mayo Clinic doctors and scientists. Obviously not one of you have taken the time to read the most current info. I’m not asked ng you to believe me But r search for yourself. And by the way you don’t have a clue of my medical conditions don’t assume you do.11 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I'm pretty knowledgable about GI diseases actually. I'm sorry but anyone who claims tha IBD and IBS are the same and that IBD is a symptom honestly aren't thst familiar even with the basics of GI diseases.9 -
singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I'm pretty knowledgable about GI diseases actually. I'm sorry but anyone who claims tha IBD and IBS are the same and that IBD is a symptom honestly aren't thst familiar even with the basics of GI diseases.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »[q
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Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself
Pathophysiology books, scholarly articles, and medical practitioners disagree with you. What makes you more educated than those in the field?[/quote]
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clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Lol. Well what caught my interest is the personal results I haveHad. I’m lucky here in NE Pennsylvania I have great access to dairy and farm which are all grass feed cow lamb pork. It’s so clean and quite different from grain fed. To make bone broth which has quite different profile than stock or regular broth. FYI. Must cook for about 3 days and requires apple cider vinegar that is organic and raw to do the proper treatment. I us marrow bones chicken feet and carcass as well as lamb and pork. FYI do your due diligence. please, and if you don’t like the discussion feel free to leave. But stop the hate ing
Pigs and hogs are omnivores. Grass is not the only thing they are eating. If a field mouse happens along then your meat will get all dirty and ungrassy.
Of course they eat everything that comes near them that is the point I’m making not grain fed or this out of a bag but what free range grass pastures have to offer. Really ?
But what if the mouse ate something from a bag before the pig ate it? Will that make the cooked raw cider bone broth less potent?
Here is the thing. Broth is good and it is good for you. Why do you need to make it "super" good by grass fed animals and the magicks of healing things? All you will do, and have done, is start a thread with controversial subject matter in it.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and InformativeJust like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.
As someone who has/and is suffering from severe Crohn's and gastroparesis it annoys me to no end when people say it's the same as IBS. IBS definitely isn't pleasant but it doesn't eat away your intestines and cause major complications like IBD. It's very frustrating.18
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