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Please, Please, Please MFP make it so that we can track net carbs asap. there are so many of us doing KETO and using MFP for tracking. This ability would make life so much easier. I understand on my computer I get a view that I can easily do the math with, however on my telephone I don't! Please allow us to track net carbs. Thank you19
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Please, Please, Please MFP make it so that we can track net carbs asap. there are so many of us doing KETO and using MFP for tracking. This ability would make life so much easier. I understand on my computer I get a view that I can easily do the math with, however on my telephone I don't! Please allow us to track net carbs. Thank you
Won't happen for several reasons, the main one being that this is an international-use site and most countries other than the US list net carbs by default in their nutrition info.10 -
RockinOilyMomma wrote: »I am interested in it, but have just focused on lowering carbs instead. If I can’t have potatoes, I at least want sweet potatoes 🍠
Potatoes are life. It's hard to give them up11 -
I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.21 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"23 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...30 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.17 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.25 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.5 -
You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
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You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
Same thing happens on both sides. People post how they are having success with a way of eating and it will be followed by a its only CICO that matters. Different ways of eating are everywhere and it is difficult to say which one is better or worse. If someone could truly eat at a calorie surplus and lose weight on keto then after the calorie math is done, there would be some freaking crazy metabolism going on. Which I doubt.13 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
I've had keto people straight up tell me that you lose weight on keto, even if you're consuming more energy than you need. It may not be the majority position, but there are certainly plenty of people out there who have either been mislead or are profiting from misleading others.13 -
You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
Same thing happens on both sides. People post how they are having success with a way of eating and it will be followed by a its only CICO that matters. Different ways of eating are everywhere and it is difficult to say which one is better or worse. If someone could truly eat at a calorie surplus and lose weight on keto then after the calorie math is done, there would be some freaking crazy metabolism going on. Which I doubt.
If you have a "crazy metabolism," it would result in you potentially burning more calories than estimates would lead you to believe and you'd have to eat more to arrive at a surplus.
This doesn't mean that you would lose weight *even truly at a surplus*. No metabolism difference is going to do that.
Someone with a higher than usual metabolism is like someone with a higher than usual bank account. They have to eat more to arrive at a surplus, just like someone with more money has to spend more before they run out. But they aren't an exception to the rules of the physical universe anymore than a rich person is proving that it doesn't matter how much you spend.11 -
You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
Same thing happens on both sides. People post how they are having success with a way of eating and it will be followed by a its only CICO that matters. Different ways of eating are everywhere and it is difficult to say which one is better or worse. If someone could truly eat at a calorie surplus and lose weight on keto then after the calorie math is done, there would be some freaking crazy metabolism going on. Which I doubt.
That is not the point. You said
If you haven't seen that, you must not really be paying attention. It happens all the time. Thus the value of the "fixed it" above.I don't think any keto people think eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.11 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?014 -
You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
Same thing happens on both sides. People post how they are having success with a way of eating and it will be followed by a its only CICO that matters. Different ways of eating are everywhere and it is difficult to say which one is better or worse. If someone could truly eat at a calorie surplus and lose weight on keto then after the calorie math is done, there would be some freaking crazy metabolism going on. Which I doubt.
Of course if one eats at a true surplus on any WOE they are not going to lose weight.8 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.4 -
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You're kidding right? This kind of things gets posted all the time and the post in question is an example. You may realize it isn't true but lots think it is.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss.At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
Same thing happens on both sides. People post how they are having success with a way of eating and it will be followed by a its only CICO that matters. Different ways of eating are everywhere and it is difficult to say which one is better or worse. If someone could truly eat at a calorie surplus and lose weight on keto then after the calorie math is done, there would be some freaking crazy metabolism going on. Which I doubt.
Of course if one eats at a true surplus on any WOE they are not going to lose weight.
I find myself not believing I am in deficit by they way I feel and eat but you are correct, if I lose I am.2 -
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
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WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.27 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
I *know* how frustrating it is to gain weight and not understand why. I don't think it's something that others should "relax" about if they feel as if they can provide assistance.
Look, if someone's false information is corrected and they want to ignore it, they will. I think that's a more useful model than just ignoring false information and assuming they'll get it straight someday maybe.
Why not help people if we can?19 -
janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
I *know* how frustrating it is to gain weight and not understand why. I don't think it's something that others should "relax" about if they feel as if they can provide assistance.
Look, if someone's false information is corrected and they want to ignore it, they will. I think that's a more useful model than just ignoring false information and assuming they'll get it straight someday maybe.
Why not help people if we can?
Exactly. And quite honestly WinoGelato doesn't appear to be the person who needs to relax.17 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.22 -
Okay, the post that started this was someone giving advise to someone starting keto and I am paraphrasing, just get your carbs below 50g and get fats and protein to the appropriate levels and you will be on your way to weight loss.
They didn't have anything that suggested eat to a calorie surplus. This is why I found it odd that someone would not comment but edit the same persons post in two separate threads by inserting the phrase about deficit.
Ironically this is exactly what I did. I ignored calories, increased saturated fat lowered carb and increased protein. I am well on my way and lost 18 pounds. And please note I did not say eat to a calorie surplus. I guess you all do see some comments on this "calorie surplus doesn't matter" but I haven't. Maybe in time I will and as soon as I do see this proof I will double my calories and post here that I have no idea why the scale is going the wrong direction. I should have been warned.22 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.
Or as in my case they may just be eating the wrong kind of calories. I did not cut my calories but I changed my macros and as my health started to recover the weight came off and stayed off for 3 years now. Healthy people in the general population do not become obese until some factor triggers our overeating and binging especially in my case.31 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.
Or as in my case they may just be eating the wrong kind of calories. I did not cut my calories but I changed my macros and as my health started to recover the weight came off and stayed off for 3 years now. Healthy people in the general population do not become obese until some factor triggers our overeating and binging especially in my case.
You aren't going to gain weight eating "the wrong kind" of calories unless you're also in a calorie surplus. And in the case of a surplus, you'd be gaining weight even if all your calories were "the right kind."
It's irrelevant except how it pertains to satiety and how easy it makes it for an individual to meet their calorie goal.16 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.
Or as in my case they may just be eating the wrong kind of calories. I did not cut my calories but I changed my macros and as my health started to recover the weight came off and stayed off for 3 years now. Healthy people in the general population do not become obese until some factor triggers our overeating and binging especially in my case.
So you are saying that you stopped "binging" (technically what you were doing wasn't binging just overeating) but you are still eating the same amount of calories? That doesn't make sense. Binges are usually thousands of calories so when you stop you are obviously cutting calories.15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.
Or as in my case they may just be eating the wrong kind of calories. I did not cut my calories but I changed my macros and as my health started to recover the weight came off and stayed off for 3 years now. Healthy people in the general population do not become obese until some factor triggers our overeating and binging especially in my case.
You aren't going to gain weight eating "the wrong kind" of calories unless you're also in a calorie surplus. And in the case of a surplus, you'd be gaining weight even if all your calories were "the right kind."
It's irrelevant except how it pertains to satiety and how easy it makes it for an individual to meet their calorie goal.
I gain weight due to eating the wrong kind of calories because a HCHF WOE leads to binging yet a LCHF WOE stops the binging.
Review the biological difference in living on ketones vs glucose.
https://google.com/search?q=biological+difference+in+living+on+ketones+vs+glucose&oq=biological+difference+in+living+on+ketones+vs+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Note how ketones can fuel the brain when conditions develop that causes the brain to starve for energy if one is still trying to feed it on glucose.
I pigged out at Red Lobster last night because it was the kids 21th birthday and lost two pounds from yesterday morning and did not skip any meals plus on the way home I stopped at McDonalds and had another 480 calories of coffee. I blew a .041% on the alcohol breath analyzer first thing this morning (the ketones that are wasted calories eaten) which indicates I am still in nutritional ketosis so yesterday's total carb intake had to be 50 grams or less.25 -
Weight loss isn't linear and it doesn't sound like keto stopped you from overeating yesterday. Also how you describe that you ate 2500-3000 calories a day pre keto does not sound like binging at all. Binges are eatimg a huge amount of calories uncontrollably in a very small period of time. You did not fit the medical definition of binge eating disorder at all.8
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GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
You think it’s helpful to let people believe false information about what drives weight loss, such that it might derail their actual progress toward achieving their goals if no one refutes the claim that a person can eat more than their TDEE while doing keto and still lose weight?WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I have been on KETO for five weeks and have lost 16lbs so far. I do 35-40 Carbs a day as I do not want to rush the process and give up everything. Once you figure out what macros will put you in Ketosis, and ensure you are in a calorie deficityour on your way to losing weight.
Fixed it for you.
You really feel the need to edit the same persons post in two different threads and say "Fixed it for you"
If it helps clarify for that poster, and others reading along, what the true driver of the weight loss is (calories) so they avoid the delusion that they can’t gain weight if in ketosis... then yeah.
To be fair I didn’t notice it was the same poster, there are an awful lot of exited new keto followers these days on the boards...
I don't think any keto people think that eating to a calorie surplus will cause weight loss. At least I haven't met any so yeah you have a point. I feel that keto way of eating has two keys that some people find helps. One is the reduction of carbs and the cravings that some feel come with them. The other is the way carb calories get replaced by fat calories. The feeling of not being controlled by hunger is great. Anyway I am lucky because I don't count calories, I don't log and I eat til I am full. If that also works out to be a deficit so be it and yes if I gain then I will need to modify. There are many other things in the keto way of eating that don't fall into the weight loss category I like but no need to go there now.
There have been several in the last few months who were very vocal and have insisted that they could eat as many calories as they wanted (over and above maintenance) and as long as they ate keto they would still lose weight. That is why the clarification is need.
If they can eat keto to a calorie surplus and lose weight I would be impressed. Me, I am too lazy to actually count but I feel as though I am eating more. The emphasis is on "feel". I think that if it could be proven that a keto diet with a calorie surplus would result in weight loss we would have seen it documented by now.
This sounds like you think there’s a possibility, however remote, that a person could potentially eat at a calorie surplus, and as long as following a keto diet, then they wouldn’t gain weight. Is that true?0
No I don't think that, the math just doesn't work. I don't even know how to create a fantasy where a calorie surplus exists and an extra fat burning reaction depletes the body of more than the surplus of extra calories. They sell pills like that on TV but keto won't do it. I just would let them believe what they like but at the end of the day you are either gaining , maintaining or losing weight. I can see why they "believe" it and that okay.
Relax, if they are incorrect they will gain weight just like they probably have for most of their adult life. This isn't rocket science, if someone can't figure out that a way of eating is causing weight gain and derailing their progress toward reaching their goal I doubt you editing their posts to suit your world is going to help either.
You are still missing the point. It isn’t their way of eating that is causing weight gain, it is simply, they are not in a calorie deficit. Period, end of story.
And the fact that you keep glossing over that is exactly why it’s important to keep making this point because there are still a LOT of people who don’t understand that weight gain has nothing to do with the type of foods you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.
If people have been gaining weight their entire adult life and desire to change that, I think it’s helpful to point them in the right direction to accelerate their success, rather than letting them continue to flounder.
Or as in my case they may just be eating the wrong kind of calories. I did not cut my calories but I changed my macros and as my health started to recover the weight came off and stayed off for 3 years now. Healthy people in the general population do not become obese until some factor triggers our overeating and binging especially in my case.
You aren't going to gain weight eating "the wrong kind" of calories unless you're also in a calorie surplus. And in the case of a surplus, you'd be gaining weight even if all your calories were "the right kind."
It's irrelevant except how it pertains to satiety and how easy it makes it for an individual to meet their calorie goal.
I gain weight due to eating the wrong kind of calories because a HCHF WOE leads to binging yet a LCHF WOE stops the binging.
Review the biological difference in living on ketones vs glucose.
https://google.com/search?q=biological+difference+in+living+on+ketones+vs+glucose&oq=biological+difference+in+living+on+ketones+vs+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Note how ketones can fuel the brain when conditions develop that causes the brain to starve for energy if one is still trying to feed it on glucose.
I pigged out at Red Lobster last night because it was the kids 21th birthday and lost two pounds from yesterday morning and did not skip any meals plus on the way home I stopped at McDonalds and had another 480 calories of coffee. I blew a .041% on the alcohol breath analyzer first thing this morning (the ketones that are wasted calories eaten) which indicates I am still in nutritional ketosis so yesterday's total carb intake had to be 50 grams or less.
Binges = excess calories.
Now some people do find that it is easier to eat to lose weight or maintain when they make certain dietary changes. But it's misleading to say that the "wrong kind of calories" cause weight gain. They don't. Excess calories still cause weight gain and if your strategy to create a deficit is to eat in a way that helps promote satiety (whatever that looks like for you), it's still the calorie deficit that is creating the weight loss.
What you're doing here is muddying the water, especially since not everyone finds the same type of diet promotes satiety. What works for you may not work for someone else. That is why focusing on the *root cause* (a calorie deficit) is so important. It gives people the power to figure out their own strategies to create it.
Linking your results on the scale to what happened in the previous 24 hours is ridiculous. Weight is more complex than what has happened to you in the previous 24 hours.16
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