Welcome to Debate Club! Please be aware that this is a space for respectful debate, and that your ideas will be challenged here. Please remember to critique the argument, not the author.
Keto diet = good or bad
Replies
-
estherdragonbat wrote: »Which would mean that we DON'T "all know how it ended for him".
Yep I guess you’re right then we don’t ALL know how it ended for him..... anyways the keto diet is not safe for long term health, and I know it has a big following right now and I get it. But I genuinely would not recommend it to anyone I cared about and loved in my life that’s for sure.
2 -
gatherum89 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Which would mean that we DON'T "all know how it ended for him".
Yep I guess you’re right then we don’t ALL know how it ended for him..... anyways the keto diet is not safe for long term health, and I know it has a big following right now and I get it. But I genuinely would not recommend it to anyone I cared about and loved in my life that’s for sure.
I think the key thing for people who are overweight is losing (and being active), and keto can be a helpful option for some.
Keto can also be done quite healthfully. (Most diets can be done healthfully or not.)10 -
gatherum89 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has a number of different causes. It is thought that his cardiomyopathy was due to a viral illness. His physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.Was Atkins Overweight?
William Leith, a writer who interviewed Dr. Atkins around the time of his cardiac arrest, stated that "he looks to be just under 6 feet tall and around 200 lbs – not skinny, not thin, but definitely not fat." A report from the doctor's company, Atkins Nutritionals, stated that he was six feet tall, played tennis competitively, and that his weight was frequently checked, and in the years before his death, it remained below 195.
A medical report at the time of his admission to the hospital, which was later made public by his widow, states that he was 195 pounds on admission to the hospital. This would give him a body mass index (BMI) of 26, which is just over the range considered to be "normal weight." At most, he was very slightly overweight.
Atkins' Death
On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work. In the fall, he hit his head and this caused bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure.
During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid. His weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds (again, records say that he was 195 upon entering the hospital).
I guess the world will never know then huh. Because each group is pushing for their own agendas and are going to want to believe what they want to believe. I can link right back and show You a group of people explaining why those explanations are bs potentially and how filling up with over 60 pounds of fluid that fast is a bit unbelievable and sounds like some dmg control. But that’s really not important to this topic, it’s safe to say Akins was not a pillar of health and the links ive provided are good evidence for why the Akins/keto diet is not such a good idea.
Do you have sufficient experience with people experiencing end of life issues in intensive care to conclude that 60 pounds of fluid retention is "unbelievable" for someone experiencing organ failure?
I'm not super experienced either, but in my limited experience with family members this doesn't strike me as outlandish. I have had two family members die of multiple organ failure. One thing that didn't occur to me prior to these experiences is that when your organs are failing, they don't always do a great job of maintaining balance within your body. Combine that with medical interventions to try to keep people hydrated, it's not unusual for people at the end of their lives to retain amounts of fluid that would be extreme for people who aren't in a serious medical situation.
Nobody is a pillar of health after they slip on the ice and spend two weeks in intensive care. I don't care what you're eating prior to the fall -- you're in intensive care because you're in trouble and you need . . . well, intensive care.16 -
svlofthouse wrote: »Thank you, I’ll have a look at those threads. I’ve looked at some recipes and they’re all ridiculously high calorie - how can I ever create a deficit?
Simple - take a smaller portion.
3 -
gatherum89 wrote: »gatherum89 wrote: »It’s legit pretty bad for you besides the fact you’re making ur body use ketones as fuel instead of its preferred fuel source being carbs. You’re also consuming way to many saturated fats and trans fats causal in raising your ldl cholesterol numbers and increasing ur risk for heart disease, our number one killer in this country, an example of healthy fats would be monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. Also all the cholesterol from the animal meat and secretions aren’t very healthy either and won’t be doing you any favors for long term health. You’ll never see someone who eats this diet with an over all cholesterol score lower then 170 that’s for sure yikes, or ever be close to reaching the perfect overall cholesterol score of 140 and lower where it is impossible for heart disease to occur.
? Could you please post links to wherever you're getting this stuff from? None of this is true, unless there are studies out there that I haven't heard of - and with all the keto threads we see every day, if there were studies like this published, you can bet they'd be linked into every keto thread on the boards.
Of course there is I’m not talking out of my *kitten* here and my knowledge doesn’t come out of a vacuum. I’ve looked at both sides of the fence and have picked the most competent well reasoned logical side to base my health off of, Keto is a fad and a unsustainable one at that. It’s a repackaged Akins diet and we all know how it ended for dr Akins.....I can assure you people aren’t dying of heart disease from eating to many fruits veggies and starches, and not enough red meat and lumps of butter in their coffee.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426/
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000103664.47406.49
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
http://www.jlr.org/content/34/12/2183.full.pdf
Edit for some more
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
To the bolded sentence - where do those numbers come from?
1, 2, 5, 6, 7 Abstracts and articles relating to studies that show high LDL levels are related to heart issues - yes this is well established
3 Conclusion:: Replacing a percentage of dietary sat fats with carbs and avoiding dietary cholesterol can reduce blood cholesterol and LDL levels.
This is a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range.
4 Conclusion: For both high-fat and low-fat diets "The net favorable effect of weight loss seems to be greater than that of dietary fat modification in optimizing the serum lipid profde of obese subjects"
Again a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range, and potentially of benefit for people who need to reduce weight for health reasons and find this way of eating sustainable.
Nobody is arguing that a keto/lchf diet is right for everyone, it's right for those who have no medical conditions that would make it a bad choice and find this way of eating works for them.6 -
gatherum89 wrote: »gatherum89 wrote: »It’s legit pretty bad for you besides the fact you’re making ur body use ketones as fuel instead of its preferred fuel source being carbs. You’re also consuming way to many saturated fats and trans fats causal in raising your ldl cholesterol numbers and increasing ur risk for heart disease, our number one killer in this country, an example of healthy fats would be monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. Also all the cholesterol from the animal meat and secretions aren’t very healthy either and won’t be doing you any favors for long term health. You’ll never see someone who eats this diet with an over all cholesterol score lower then 170 that’s for sure yikes, or ever be close to reaching the perfect overall cholesterol score of 140 and lower where it is impossible for heart disease to occur.
? Could you please post links to wherever you're getting this stuff from? None of this is true, unless there are studies out there that I haven't heard of - and with all the keto threads we see every day, if there were studies like this published, you can bet they'd be linked into every keto thread on the boards.
Of course there is I’m not talking out of my *kitten* here and my knowledge doesn’t come out of a vacuum. I’ve looked at both sides of the fence and have picked the most competent well reasoned logical side to base my health off of, Keto is a fad and a unsustainable one at that. It’s a repackaged Akins diet and we all know how it ended for dr Akins.....I can assure you people aren’t dying of heart disease from eating to many fruits veggies and starches, and not enough red meat and lumps of butter in their coffee.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426/
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000103664.47406.49
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
http://www.jlr.org/content/34/12/2183.full.pdf
Edit for some more
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
To the bolded sentence - where do those numbers come from?
1, 2, 5, 6, 7 Abstracts and articles relating to studies that show high LDL levels are related to heart issues - yes this is well established
3 Conclusion:: Replacing a percentage of dietary sat fats with carbs and avoiding dietary cholesterol can reduce blood cholesterol and LDL levels.
This is a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range.
4 Conclusion: For both high-fat and low-fat diets "The net favorable effect of weight loss seems to be greater than that of dietary fat modification in optimizing the serum lipid profde of obese subjects"
Again a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range, and potentially of benefit for people who need to reduce weight for health reasons and find this way of eating sustainable.
Nobody is arguing that a keto/lchf diet is right for everyone, it's right for those who have no medical conditions that would make it a bad choice and find this way of eating works for them.
Thank you for taking one for the team. I started reading a few of the links and found they didn't support anything and noped out of reading the rest of them.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »gatherum89 wrote: »gatherum89 wrote: »It’s legit pretty bad for you besides the fact you’re making ur body use ketones as fuel instead of its preferred fuel source being carbs. You’re also consuming way to many saturated fats and trans fats causal in raising your ldl cholesterol numbers and increasing ur risk for heart disease, our number one killer in this country, an example of healthy fats would be monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. Also all the cholesterol from the animal meat and secretions aren’t very healthy either and won’t be doing you any favors for long term health. You’ll never see someone who eats this diet with an over all cholesterol score lower then 170 that’s for sure yikes, or ever be close to reaching the perfect overall cholesterol score of 140 and lower where it is impossible for heart disease to occur.
? Could you please post links to wherever you're getting this stuff from? None of this is true, unless there are studies out there that I haven't heard of - and with all the keto threads we see every day, if there were studies like this published, you can bet they'd be linked into every keto thread on the boards.
Of course there is I’m not talking out of my *kitten* here and my knowledge doesn’t come out of a vacuum. I’ve looked at both sides of the fence and have picked the most competent well reasoned logical side to base my health off of, Keto is a fad and a unsustainable one at that. It’s a repackaged Akins diet and we all know how it ended for dr Akins.....I can assure you people aren’t dying of heart disease from eating to many fruits veggies and starches, and not enough red meat and lumps of butter in their coffee.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426/
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000103664.47406.49
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
http://www.jlr.org/content/34/12/2183.full.pdf
Edit for some more
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
To the bolded sentence - where do those numbers come from?
1, 2, 5, 6, 7 Abstracts and articles relating to studies that show high LDL levels are related to heart issues - yes this is well established
3 Conclusion:: Replacing a percentage of dietary sat fats with carbs and avoiding dietary cholesterol can reduce blood cholesterol and LDL levels.
This is a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range.
4 Conclusion: For both high-fat and low-fat diets "The net favorable effect of weight loss seems to be greater than that of dietary fat modification in optimizing the serum lipid profde of obese subjects"
Again a non-issue for people who have cholesterol and LDL levels in the normal range, and potentially of benefit for people who need to reduce weight for health reasons and find this way of eating sustainable.
Nobody is arguing that a keto/lchf diet is right for everyone, it's right for those who have no medical conditions that would make it a bad choice and find this way of eating works for them.
Thank you for taking one for the team. I started reading a few of the links and found they didn't support anything and noped out of reading the rest of them.
Yeah, I kind of felt obligated since I'm the one who called for them
Plus it's good practice interpreting sources - a skill I'm working on developing. 10 -
gatherum89 wrote: »If someone is eating a keto diet which always consist of high saturated fat, trans fat and cholesterol intake, even more then dare I say the standard American diet....
This is one of the things I am disputing. There's no requirement that someone's keto diet be higher in sat fat than their previous diet (or that it be especially high in sat fat, although I would agree that most who do keto aren't concerned about sat fat). There's certainly no need for it to be high in artificial trans fat (which is what we know is bad for you and should be entirely avoided). As for dietary cholesterol, I don't think that's even an issue.
You could easily go keto eating precisely the same amount of animal products as you did before, or fewer (or better quality/less processed meats or high fat beef), lots more vegetables (in that veg have fewer net carbs than many other foods that would be cut out), and nuts and seeds to add to the fat. Only a minority of people seem to have cholesterol levels that swing based on sat fat also (my dad is one, and keeps it low as a result), whereas weight loss often helps with cholesterol numbers.
Walter Willett (obviously no keto guru) argues that switching highly refined carbs for vegetable sources of fat is generally a positive (and the reverse a negative).
I think keto basically cuts out some foods (including various good non animal sources of protein) that are quite healthful, so I wouldn't do it longterm, but I am not someone who finds it the only way to control my appetite or feel content and satiated on a calorie-appropriate way of eating, I don't find it much easier or less stressful than other options. If someone does, and has no negative medical effects such as bad test results, it is likely healthier for that person.7 -
I’ve been strict keto for about five months. My labs are all still good. I’ve lost 43 lbs so far. I enjoy it quite a lot. Thus far no negative effects whatsoever.🤷🏻♀️7
-
Hey folks - a minor clean-up occurred in here. Food for thought: It is absolutely fine to debate ideas. When you feel the need to resort to insulting another user, you've basically lost the debate.
Also - reading through (hey @lemurcat2 - credit being given), I was super impressed with the mostly cool heads that prevailed in this discussion. If I could give kudos, I'd give them to the folks in this discussion who kept their heads and didn't let the branch of discussion I just cleaned turn into the dumpster fire it could have.
Happy freaking Friday,
Em17 -
I’ve been strict keto for about five months. My labs are all still good. I’ve lost 43 lbs so far. I enjoy it quite a lot. Thus far no negative effects whatsoever.🤷🏻♀️
About the same here on keto/LCHF. I get some comments like "its so restrictive" I really feel like the only thing I gave up is four slices of bread daily and potatoes since I have already given up most processed junk food. The other comment I get is "you can't eat like that long term" well, why not? I really enjoy eating this way and see no reason to stop. Not trying to suggest this WOE can fit everybody but it fits me perfectly.6 -
I’ve been strict keto for about five months. My labs are all still good. I’ve lost 43 lbs so far. I enjoy it quite a lot. Thus far no negative effects whatsoever.🤷🏻♀️
About the same here on keto/LCHF. I get some comments like "its so restrictive" I really feel like the only thing I gave up is four slices of bread daily and potatoes since I have already given up most processed junk food. The other comment I get is "you can't eat like that long term" well, why not? I really enjoy eating this way and see no reason to stop. Not trying to suggest this WOE can fit everybody but it fits me perfectly.
Comments like those really bug me so damn much.
It's not sustainable!!
Really? Why?? B/c meat and veggies are just so terrible? Poor me eating my steak/pork chops/pot roast/chicken/seafood and my low carb veggies. Poor poor me with my filling delicious foods.
And yes... it is restrictive, but believe it or not, some of us do well on restrictive diets. Some of us NEED restrictive diets.
I know for myself that I do not succeed at moderation diets. If I could have things in moderation, I wouldn't be where I'm at now b/c I can't control myself around certain foods.
Just irks me when people rag on a specific diet b/c THEY can't do it.
4 -
You need roughly about 130 carbohydrates a day for your brain to function property. People lose weigh on keto which in return helps with medical problems, those that specifically stem from obesity or being overweight. However, in my opinion, the diet is more about fast weight loss and does not teach you how to appropriately change your lifestyle habits to support the weight loss and dietary changes. There have been numerous studies published that keto is okay for short-term weight loss but tend to become dangerous for long-term users. But, it ultimately works for weight loss efforts. So “good” or “bad” is all based off of viewpoint and goal.8
-
londonshoe1493 wrote: »You need roughly about 130 carbohydrates a day for your brain to function property. People lose weigh on keto which in return helps with medical problems, those that specifically stem from obesity or being overweight. However, in my opinion, the diet is more about fast weight loss and does not teach you how to appropriately change your lifestyle habits to support the weight loss and dietary changes. There have been numerous studies published that keto is okay for short-term weight loss but tend to become dangerous for long-term users. But, it ultimately works for weight loss efforts. So “good” or “bad” is all based off of viewpoint and goal.
You don't need dietary carbs for your brain to function, especial a random number of them. Whatever your brain needs to function (glucose, I believe) it will make from whatever fuel you're feeding it.
Keto can be a perfectly good choice for people who find it fits in with their food preferences, and can certainly be a long-term eating plan for those people. There's no reason why restricting carbs is unsustainable for everyone, and certainly can "teach" adherents to manage calories to manage weight.
It's not "dangerous" unless a person is not getting required nutrients, or has some health issue that contradicts eating that way.8 -
londonshoe1493 wrote: »You need roughly about 130 carbohydrates a day for your brain to function property. People lose weigh on keto which in return helps with medical problems, those that specifically stem from obesity or being overweight. However, in my opinion, the diet is more about fast weight loss and does not teach you how to appropriately change your lifestyle habits to support the weight loss and dietary changes. There have been numerous studies published that keto is okay for short-term weight loss but tend to become dangerous for long-term users. But, it ultimately works for weight loss efforts. So “good” or “bad” is all based off of viewpoint and goal.
You don't need dietary carbs for your brain to function, especial a random number of them. Whatever your brain needs to function (glucose, I believe) it will make from whatever fuel you're feeding it.
Keto can be a perfectly good choice for people who find it fits in with their food preferences, and can certainly be a long-term eating plan for those people. There's no reason why restricting carbs is unsustainable for everyone, and certainly can "teach" adherents to manage calories to manage weight.
It's not "dangerous" unless a person is not getting required nutrients, or has some health issue that contradicts eating that way.
^^^This is correct. Gluconeogenesis can make all of the glucose that your body needs. It is only red blood cells that must have glucose; the brain does fine with a bit of glucose (glucose usage is reduced the longer one eats keto) and ketones.
I'm a few years keto and know that there is nothing that shows a ketogenic diet is unhealthy or dangerous, and it can have some health benefits without any weight loss.
4 -
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)6 -
Thanks for the recommendations, I’ll definitely give them a listen. In terms of overall health and well-being, you really can’t beat Fit & Fearless. So inspiring and empowering!0
-
I'd be down for a thread on the podcasts. I just downloaded the first two keto episodes. Considering my own recent abysmal n=1 with keto for migraines this is very interesting to me right now.2
-
If you want know why Keto is the way to eat, check out Dr Ken Berry's videos on Youtube. As a board certified MD, Berry explains the why's & wherefore of the keto WOE.12
-
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Just checked out her website, looks like really interesting stuff! Going to spend some time reading through it today, I'm curious to know her thoughts on the DASH diet, which is something I've dabbled in.0 -
If you want know why Keto is the way to eat, check out Dr Ken Berry's videos on Youtube. As a board certified MD, Berry explains the why's & wherefore of the keto WOE.
And buy a book when you visit his site. Coincidence?
Question. If Keto is THE way to eat, how come so many people are healthy and manage their weight without it...?
Please note, I have nothing against the Keto diet or anyone doing it or wanting to do it...8 -
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Their intro jingle is very funny...
1 -
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! This is a very easy to listen to podcast, both hosts are likable and informative (and has been noted their intro jingle is funny).
I listened to the two keto episodes this morning and am looking forward to their next episodes on the DASH diet
0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! This is a very easy to listen to podcast, both hosts are likable and informative (and has been noted their intro jingle is funny).
I listened to the two keto episodes this morning and am looking forward to their next episodes on the DASH diet
Just listened to them too, really enjoyed them!1 -
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.3 -
A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.
What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.
What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.
Yes, that was interesting. Of course I view the claims of those kinds of benefits somewhat skeptically. I'm sure some experience them but I don't see any evidence that it's a universal experience based on a keto diet.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.
What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.
Yes, that was interesting. Of course I view the claims of those kinds of benefits somewhat skeptically. I'm sure some experience them but I don't see any evidence that it's a universal experience based on a keto diet.
While I also view those claims with skepticism, I cannot deny that the science supports that anti-inflammatory aspect of the diet. I'm thinking other factors have to be at play here. I normally have a pretty carb heavy diet and regularly have my inflammatory markers tested, and they remain well within normal ranges.
I gave the whole thing a go because when my migraines got very bad after menopause (I've had them for years, and for me they got worse then) the prodrome symptoms were seizure-like before I was put on my current treatment protocol. I'm currently at a point where the effectiveness of one long-time preventive (botox) doesn't seem to be as effective as it once had been and am just starting a new drug that hasn't kicked in yet (Aimovig). So I'm not really in a good place with my migraines and was desperate.
It was a complete disaster. The normal daily pain level 2 headache I always have rose to a level 5-6, and the frequency of 8-9 level days increased from maybe 1 a month to 2 a week. I was going through a lot of rescue and OTC pain medication.
My arthritis pain, which most time I barely notice, was excruciating, especially in my neck, feet, knees, and hips.
I did replace electrolytes like a boss. I tried this for six weeks.
The day I went back to eating my regular diet, I felt better.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.
Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast
I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)
Highly recommended!
If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.
Relevant twitter:
https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en
I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)
Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.
What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.
I too had the worsening of the RA while doing keto2 -
I DONOT eat pork, it causes inflammation in the body , pork is high in inflammatory omega-6 fats. Inflammation causes an immune response and slows down your metabolism.16
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.5K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 430 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.8K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions