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What commonly given MFP Forum advice do you personally disagree with?
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estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »I think I might find beet cake a more appealing weight loss prospect than a mini-trampoline.
I clearly remember falling off my friend's mum's mini-trampoline when they were THE in-thing for get-fit in the early-90s. Come to think of it, I felt bruised all over afterwards, so maybe it was a full-body work-out. And I had been on it for less than 15 minutes!
I made a chocolate cake with beets one time and it was actually really good! They were pureed into the batter and just gave it a rich taste. Of course, I also used plenty of legit sugar and fat (as a chocolate cake deserves).
I remember nervously making chocolate-avocado cupcakes for my nephew's birthday. They were AMAZING!
I LOVE avocado in chocolate cake! It turns out so delectable.2 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »Some cakes and other goodies I’ve made (this is probably why I’m still here...)
That's a whole lotta motivation right there!2 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »Some cakes and other goodies I’ve made (this is probably why I’m still here...)
We should be friends. Definitely.
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »Some cakes and other goodies I’ve made (this is probably why I’m still here...)
We should be friends. Definitely.
and neighbors!4 -
my sister makes killer black bean brownies2
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »Some cakes and other goodies I’ve made (this is probably why I’m still here...)
We should be friends. Definitely.
and neighbors!
MFPer's Neighborhood? More cake. Community BBQ every weekend. A little less wholesome. The sweet zip-up cardigans are required uniform, though.
Mister Rogers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInUUfyqa5o 4 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Don't forget the thread where we worked on a poster for 3 or 4 pages to tell us the toxinz in chicken from KFC.....it was sodium bicarbonate.....and when she told us she played it up like we wouldn't know that's baking soda.
I've been a member since 2012, but didn't start following the forums until maybe a couple of years ago. I think I found the KFC/sodium bicarbonate thread, but it sure sounds like I've missed a lot!2 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Don't forget the thread where we worked on a poster for 3 or 4 pages to tell us the toxinz in chicken from KFC.....it was sodium bicarbonate.....and when she told us she played it up like we wouldn't know that's baking soda.
I've been a member since 2012, but didn't start following the forums until maybe a couple of years ago. I think I found the KFC/sodium bicarbonate thread, but it sure sounds like I've missed a lot!
Can you post the link? I've been here since 2014 but only in the forums for a couple of years also. Apparently those were the days.0 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Don't forget the thread where we worked on a poster for 3 or 4 pages to tell us the toxinz in chicken from KFC.....it was sodium bicarbonate.....and when she told us she played it up like we wouldn't know that's baking soda.
I've been a member since 2012, but didn't start following the forums until maybe a couple of years ago. I think I found the KFC/sodium bicarbonate thread, but it sure sounds like I've missed a lot!
Can you post the link? I've been here since 2014 but only in the forums for a couple of years also. Apparently those were the days.
I think it's this one. The big reveal is actually at the bottom of the page before this one, but this is where everyone's reaction starts:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10020547/if-eating-trash-makes-us-sick-why-do-we-keep-eating-it/p244 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Don't forget the thread where we worked on a poster for 3 or 4 pages to tell us the toxinz in chicken from KFC.....it was sodium bicarbonate.....and when she told us she played it up like we wouldn't know that's baking soda.
I've been a member since 2012, but didn't start following the forums until maybe a couple of years ago. I think I found the KFC/sodium bicarbonate thread, but it sure sounds like I've missed a lot!
Can you post the link? I've been here since 2014 but only in the forums for a couple of years also. Apparently those were the days.
I think it's this one. The big reveal is actually at the bottom of the page before this one, but this is where everyone's reaction starts:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10020547/if-eating-trash-makes-us-sick-why-do-we-keep-eating-it/p24
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Don't forget the thread where we worked on a poster for 3 or 4 pages to tell us the toxinz in chicken from KFC.....it was sodium bicarbonate.....and when she told us she played it up like we wouldn't know that's baking soda.
I've been a member since 2012, but didn't start following the forums until maybe a couple of years ago. I think I found the KFC/sodium bicarbonate thread, but it sure sounds like I've missed a lot!
Can you post the link? I've been here since 2014 but only in the forums for a couple of years also. Apparently those were the days.
I think it's this one. The big reveal is actually at the bottom of the page before this one, but this is where everyone's reaction starts:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10020547/if-eating-trash-makes-us-sick-why-do-we-keep-eating-it/p24
Just started reading page 1. Oh, the woo!!! Thanks, my afternoon was going to be boring.3 -
And this one has the little debbies sugar calcium leaching and pages and pages of woo-y goodness for your afternoon entertainment. I think this link goes to a quote of the little debbie’s Part (because that’s my favorite). The rest is a solid read though. Made me all nostalgic.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/18414668#Comment_184146683 -
Damn, now I want some KFC Fried Chicken...1
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I think it's this one. The big reveal is actually at the bottom of the page before this one, but this is where everyone's reaction starts:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10020547/if-eating-trash-makes-us-sick-why-do-we-keep-eating-it/p24
Re this quote
"In February 2011, during the campaign of the Finnish parliamentary election, a voting advice application asked the candidates whether the availability of "hydric acid also known as dihydrogen monoxide" should be restricted. 49% of the candidates answered in favor of the restriction."
My husband scoffed "They're Finns! They only drink vodka! Water is the stuff that you use for cleaning or you find frozen on the ground!"
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I joined mfp in 2014 largely because of the forum shenanigans. Nothing like a good dumpster fire- from a safe distance.5
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From reading some older threads, it seems that woo was allowed to build more momentum back then. That kind of stuff gets shot down too quickly now.2
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From reading some older threads, it seems that woo was allowed to build more momentum back then. That kind of stuff gets shot down too quickly now.
It was a different time and the buttons didn’t exist. Also, when you posted or replied to something in the forums, it posted on your newsfeed so all your friends could see where the entertainment was and you could have 50 posts within seconds. Things moved much faster then.
But you are correct, no one was demanding peer reviewed studies every time someone popped up with a death box claim or some other nonsense. There was more of an entertainment factor with those threads. I don’t think you’ll find many people seriously supporting the woo (not more than now anyway), but there was more allowance for pure entertainment.
There was less of a “need” to “be right” and more of a “let’s have some fun with this nonsense” vibe.
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »From reading some older threads, it seems that woo was allowed to build more momentum back then. That kind of stuff gets shot down too quickly now.
It was a different time and the buttons didn’t exist. Also, when you posted or replied to something in the forums, it posted on your newsfeed so all your friends could see where the entertainment was and you could have 50 posts within seconds. Things moved much faster then.
But you are correct, no one was demanding peer reviewed studies every time someone popped up with a death box claim or some other nonsense. There was more of an entertainment factor with those threads. I don’t think you’ll find many people seriously supporting the woo (not more than now anyway), but there was more allowance for pure entertainment.
There was less of a “need” to “be right” and more of a “let’s have some fun with this nonsense” vibe.
Quite honestly, that why I usually stick to posting in the food threads and occasionally offering advice to a confused newbie when it seems relevant to my own experience. I still read the debate threads but am too lazy to do all the research and defending required to post in them. Plus, it's more fun this way 6 -
I disagree with the body positivity 'movement.' I think it promotes unhealthy lifestyles.4
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deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »UsE a fOoD ScALe
why do you disagree with this?
Because most people here believe its the be all end all of weight loss. Haven't weighted a single ounce of food in 6 months and doing just fine.
Maybe for skinny people trying to "lose weight" it may help but those of us with a ton to drop its unnecessary and a waste of time. As long as your mindful of portion sizes it does the same job.
this is why we recommend....i don't know about you but i struggle to see a visual difference between the 2
deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »UsE a fOoD ScALe
why do you disagree with this?
Because most people here believe its the be all end all of weight loss. Haven't weighted a single ounce of food in 6 months and doing just fine.
Maybe for skinny people trying to "lose weight" it may help but those of us with a ton to drop its unnecessary and a waste of time. As long as your mindful of portion sizes it does the same job.
this is why we recommend....i don't know about you but i struggle to see a visual difference between the 2
This is a good example. I switched my bread from 80 cal per slice to 60&fiberenriched assuming the manufacturer isn’t lying. Pb is a rare treat, I stick w/10 cal Splenda shuckers. That being said, it does look like 2x the pb in the pic....If you look at it,
Or made it and didn’t measure the 2 tsps per 190 cals.0 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Anyone else been around long enough to know that you pee the fat out as chicken fat looking stuff?4 -
concordancia wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Anyone else been around long enough to know that you pee the fat out as chicken fat looking stuff?
That was awesome! :laugh:
So was, your food is killong you0 -
Well I did make it thru the threads, I recently donated the doc martins I wore occasionally for 20 years, couldn’t let go of my combat boots. New York super fudge chunk, ben and jerries is my criptonite but due to lactose intolerance can eat only about a mini child scope. How dare you post those goodies and cakes, I think my heart rate went up. Evil brownies do exist, and I could lose weight on 1200 cals of donuts but I’d feel like crap. Pretty sure I have that dawn thing, and I’m simply amazed there is a free version of this....so can you really be offended at free?2
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"Don't use the MFP exercise database to estimate exercise calories; it's too inaccurate. Get a heart rate monitor, then you'll know your actual calorie burn."
This sort of thing usually gets usefully disputed, but I do see it fairly frequently. I've even gotten in disputes with people who insisted that their HRM was accurately estimating their "HIIT", or strength training, and that they therefore actually burned the startlingly high number of calories it estimated.
Any exercise estimating method has limitations. Different methods have different limitations with respect to different exercise types. It's useful IMO to understand what the basis for the method is, and to pick methods that are the best you can easily do for any particular exercise . . .
. . . even though it really doesn't matter, in the sense that results from any consistent method will sort out over the long haul by watching eating/exercise logs and scale weight.
Still, the "HRM measures calories" kind of advice still bugs me. People think technology can do things it can't - yet, anyway. It's not magic.9 -
All of it. Because the trend here mirrors the trend in society in general that everyone has to all be about the latest "truth" and everything else must be wrong. Two years ago you could not open a thread anywhere on this site without reading about how 5x5 is the only possible program for lifting. Want to gain muscle? 5x5! Want to lose weight? 5x5! Want to improve your sprinting speed? 5x5! Then it was something else. I lose track.12
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All of it. Because the trend here mirrors the trend in society in general that everyone has to all be about the latest "truth" and everything else must be wrong. Two years ago you could not open a thread anywhere on this site without reading about how 5x5 is the only possible program for lifting. Want to gain muscle? 5x5! Want to lose weight? 5x5! Want to improve your sprinting speed? 5x5! Then it was something else. I lose track.
I see a variety of different plans being recommended here. Our more experienced posters, in particular, seem to get there is no "one size fits all" for resistance training.8 -
I disagree with counting non starchy vegetable calories. My limit is already low and I eat huge volumes of non starch vegetables. When I include them, I have zero energy. It does not affect my weight personally when I don't count them.15
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That just means your limit is too low.
I like counting veg, since I like being able to look back and see what I ate and make sure I'm getting a good variety. I also like knowing what my actual macros are and how many calories I eat in veg.13 -
I disagree with counting non starchy vegetable calories. My limit is already low and I eat huge volumes of non starch vegetables. When I include them, I have zero energy. It does not affect my weight personally when I don't count them.
This is the thing that bothers me. We all know one size doesn't fit all and when advice is given it assumes people have a baseline information (or the ability to recognize that they don't and either ask it Google it) and the advice is given to cover the majority in the middle of the bell curve.
I realize this person isn't generalizing and did say that this is what works for them. However, I have seen people go into threads and poo poo the advice that works for most people, and is a good starting point for most discussions, and claim that it doesn't work for them because they are part of this fringe population, or claim that everyone should be eating x or not eating x because it's a super food or a devil food.
There has to be room for error and individual situations/personalities. There also has to be a starting point for solving a problem. The quicker you can narrow down the viable solution the better. I think I would be less bothered if the fringe situations were presented in a, "hey, in case this doesn't work for you, maybe consider that you're on the fringe and you may want to check out xyz" and less in a argumentative way.
Yes, you may be able to get away with not logging vegetables. Your deficit may be large enough, or your words in energy expenditure just off enough, that the amount of calories from non starchy vegetables is negligible. But telling someone who is just starting that they don't have to worry about logging a certain group of foods can be confusing and adds complication. Those foods have calories and while many people could get away with not logging those foods, it still accounts for a portion of your calories. There is obviously a large portion of the population here that needs to log their foods, for whatever reason whether it's wanting to know where all their calories are coming from, they want the data, they want the accountability, they want to be able to look back and see why they were extra hungry or sluggish or bloated, or simply because the habit is what is helping. It's much easier to assume that logging everything will help a new person and letting them decide if it's personally worth it later. And if that newer person after two weeks says they aren't losing, it's much easier to cross logging issues off of the potential issues list if their log is complete. Assuming those foods don't need to be logged actually ends up also eliminating everyone who gets within goal range and is on a small deficit. Even if that is a small population, hopefully we all get to that point where we are within reaching distance if goal. And in that case, the calories from vegetables can certainly have an effect on how quickly you lose.
(Sorry about the rant. And yes, sometimes I don't log my non starchy vegetables. But I know my goal deficit is high enough to accommodate this. And even when it's not, I know the potential consequences so I know that I won't go mentally off the rails because of what the scale does. I also know that the majority of people in the forums aren't argumentative and are cognizant of the fringe and the hierarchy of most to least common/effective. I think that's the other reason it bothers me: it sticks out like a sure thumb when it happens.)9
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