Haters gonna hate. tired of the "1200 is not enough" speech
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I am not a hater.. I agree with some of the other post .. I did not read all of them...
It seems like those who I have friended or given advice to on here.. I can only recall one, who may need 1200 or less calories a day... One girl I gave advice to was in bed sick and hurting cause she was so tired and she herself believed it was due to exercising and only eating 1200 calories.... Another girl who I made a bit angry.. she in boxed me... lol... her daily intake was a few hundred over 1200 and she was eating 1200 or a lot less on some days... and working out... I had suggested that that is ok for a short bit.. but as a long term goal that to me is starving.... starving is not a bad word as some think it is.... but in fact I think it is a short way to say.. you not eating your daily need in calories!
So I agree with the original post... somewhat.. if your going to ask about 1200 calorie diet and that's what your body needs.. maybe share that is you daily goal according to your height, weight and activity level.. then ask questions.. because that .. your correct... makes sense and is healthy.. and productive! Otherwise... if you need 1600 calories and your eating 1200 while exercising... please... do not post and ask.. what am I doing wrong? Cause your going to get a honest answer from the community!0 -
I
this thread soooo much.
An even exchange of ideas making it easier to see everyone's points :drinker:
OP...you're awesome. I say again, I really have never seen a thread like this go so well :drinker:0 -
I'm pretty sure I specified that there is a big difference between what is called "starvation mode" and what actual starvation is.
Maybe I didn't word myself clearly. The fact of the matter is that nothing I said is not true or scientifically-based. If you eat at too deep of a calorie deficit for too long (and for most people 1200 calorie diet creates too deep of a calorie deficit), the body will release cortisol and grehlin in an effort to keep you from starving yourself. One could argue that these aren't mechanisms to prevent starvation, but that is the presumed purpose of these mechanisms. Simply saying that you can starve on far less food than 1200 calories does not change the fact that long-term weight loss at 1200 calories for most people will lead to a release of cortisol and grehlin.
This.
And all that cortisol is sooooo great..... (NOT!)
It affects blood glucose, blood pressure - can lead to hypertension or high blood pressure and subsequently cardiovascular disease, can cause depression and cognitive defects (your brain needs more calories than that just to function correctly).
Think about that for a minute (if you are able).0 -
If you want to slow your metabolism and be stuck HAVING to eat so little. Go ahead. When the body does not get enough calories metabolism slows period. This is from caveman times when the body had no idea when the next food was coming. Of course you may be the special snowflake exception to science. If so great. Have at it enjoy your snacks. I will eat my meals at about 1700 calories having lost over 100 lbs doing so.
This is the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever seen. Science has proven that you can fast safely for 4 days with no effects to your metabolism and not only that it has other health benefits. This is why programs such as LeanGains and EatStopEat are working wonders for many people.
The amount of uneducated people on here is unreal.0 -
If you want to slow your metabolism and be stuck HAVING to eat so little. Go ahead. When the body does not get enough calories metabolism slows period. This is from caveman times when the body had no idea when the next food was coming. Of course you may be the special snowflake exception to science. If so great. Have at it enjoy your snacks. I will eat my meals at about 1700 calories having lost over 100 lbs doing so.
This is the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever seen. Science has proven that you can fast safely for 4 days with no effects to your metabolism and not only that it has other health benefits. This is why programs such as LeanGains and EatStopEat are working wonders for many people.
The amount of uneducated people on here is unreal.
We aren't talking about fasting here. We are talking about long term under consumption.0 -
Very negative!! I thought this was a site where people support each other... wow.
Hmmm....is it being supportive to tell someone, "Way to go on destroying your body's metabolic functions! Woot!"
I had to comment .. I read it after my first initial reply...
I agree.. People are going to make their own life choices and then they will live with the results of those choices.... But I am asking you to not get upset at others especially if you have ask them a question.. or posted a topic into the community.. when you get their answers! Its not typical of anyone on here to give advice that will destroy your body... Just as if someone may tell you you need to cut out the pop.. and other treats... they may give the advice that your not eating enough.. therefore starving your body which will give quick results for a while... but after your done dieting and you go back to try and maintain... it may pose problems... and we all know.. some people are small enough.. have little activity and maybe even no exercise and only need 1200 calories... But is that really the majority? I don't think so~!0 -
Apparently, the moral of this thread is:
If someone wants to starve themselves when they don't have to, those of us who are successfully losing weight eating more reasonable amounts of food should shut up and let them suffer.
ENJOY YOUR RICE CAKES!0 -
I barely ever get to 1200 calories a day and im never hungry I feel like I have to force myself to eat that much... it depends on the person
Not being hungry on less than 1200 a day is a sign that your metabolism is in crawling mode. Ever hear of the hormone leptin? You might want to Google it. Your body has adjusted to the stress so that you don't have to think about it anymore. This isn't a good thing. :ohwell:0 -
OP: Many women have the same experience as you. Do what works for you. A group for short, petite women was formed recently,and most of them have to eat around 1200 to lose weight. Whatever your size, you might consider joining.
Haters gonna hate and the stupid and uninformed will remain stupid and uninformed. Are you going to let them interfere with your attainment of your goals?0 -
as if i have sat reading all of this.0
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What is the point of this thread?
Ok so you are 400 cals under your maintenance. That is good.
You are referring to people eating 1200 cals when their maintenance is 2500.
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I barely ever get to 1200 calories a day and im never hungry I feel like I have to force myself to eat that much... it depends on the person
Not being hungry on less than 1200 a day is a sign that your metabolism is in crawling mode. Ever hear of the hormone leptin? You might want to Google it. Your body has adjusted to the stress so that you don't have to think about it anymore. This isn't a good thing. :ohwell:
Why don't you try Googling Intermittent Fasting? Or watch a program on fasting by Michael Moseley that ran on the BBC and PBS. He's a medical doctor and interviews researchers who have studied the effects of fasting.
We are designed not to get hungry after missing a meal or two. Primitive human beings would never have been able to hunt and gather food if they weren't able to survive for long periods without nourishment. The current theory is that we eat too often and that giving our system a rest from constant digestion is good for our hormonal and immune systems.0 -
Very negative!! I thought this was a site where people support each other... wow.
Hmmm....is it being supportive to tell someone, "Way to go on destroying your body's metabolic functions! Woot!"
I had to comment .. I read it after my first initial reply...
I agree.. People are going to make their own life choices and then they will live with the results of those choices.... But I am asking you to not get upset at others especially if you have ask them a question.. or posted a topic into the community.. when you get their answers! Its not typical of anyone on here to give advice that will destroy your body... Just as if someone may tell you you need to cut out the pop.. and other treats... they may give the advice that your not eating enough.. therefore starving your body which will give quick results for a while... but after your done dieting and you go back to try and maintain... it may pose problems... and we all know.. some people are small enough.. have little activity and maybe even no exercise and only need 1200 calories... But is that really the majority? I don't think so~!
Right. When I think of people asking for support for things like this, it seems like rationalization. Can you imagine if someone put up a post that said, "I snort cocaine daily, and it's working for me!" And then they expect the community to just say, "Hey, whatever works! Good luck in your journey!"
People can do what they want, it's their body, not mine. But they shouldn't expect the rest of the community to be supportive when they are potentially harming themselves.
And yes, there are a *few* people for whom 1200ish calories makes sense. But those ladies are the exception, not the rule. For most, eating like that for a long period of time is not much healthier than snorting cocaine. It may "feel right" at the time because the damage doesn't become obvious right away.0 -
I barely ever get to 1200 calories a day and im never hungry I feel like I have to force myself to eat that much... it depends on the person
Not being hungry on less than 1200 a day is a sign that your metabolism is in crawling mode. Ever hear of the hormone leptin? You might want to Google it. Your body has adjusted to the stress so that you don't have to think about it anymore. This isn't a good thing. :ohwell:
Why don't you try Googling Intermittent Fasting? Or watch a program on fasting by Michael Moseley that ran on the BBC and PBS. He's a medical doctor and interviews researchers who have studied the effects of fasting.
We are designed not to get hungry after missing a meal or two. Primitive human beings would never have been able to hunt and gather food if they weren't able to survive for long periods without nourishment. The current theory is that we eat too often and that giving our system a rest from constant digestion is good for our hormonal and immune systems.
Or take a look at this http://doubleyourgains.com/musclebuildingmastermind/The_Leangains_Approach_Final.pdf0 -
OP do you have a cheat meal once a week? Will be an good idea to do so to throw your body off getting used to low cals all the time.0
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I barely ever get to 1200 calories a day and im never hungry I feel like I have to force myself to eat that much... it depends on the person
Not being hungry on less than 1200 a day is a sign that your metabolism is in crawling mode. Ever hear of the hormone leptin? You might want to Google it. Your body has adjusted to the stress so that you don't have to think about it anymore. This isn't a good thing. :ohwell:
Why don't you try Googling Intermittent Fasting? Or watch a program on fasting by Michael Moseley that ran on the BBC and PBS. He's a medical doctor and interviews researchers who have studied the effects of fasting.
We are designed not to get hungry after missing a meal or two. Primitive human beings would never have been able to hunt and gather food if they weren't able to survive for long periods without nourishment. The current theory is that we eat too often and that giving our system a rest from constant digestion is good for our hormonal and immune systems.
IF is great! It's not damaging at all. Never claimed it was. IF is about calorie cycling though. Missing a meal or two one day and making up for it on another day is *NOT* *at all* the same as eating at a 1000+ calorie deficit for a *long* period of time.
I fast for a meal or two sometimes on the weekends. I still end up with an *average* per day of 2000ish.0 -
If you want to slow your metabolism and be stuck HAVING to eat so little. Go ahead. When the body does not get enough calories metabolism slows period. This is from caveman times when the body had no idea when the next food was coming. Of course you may be the special snowflake exception to science. If so great. Have at it enjoy your snacks. I will eat my meals at about 1700 calories having lost over 100 lbs doing so.
This is the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever seen. Science has proven that you can fast safely for 4 days with no effects to your metabolism and not only that it has other health benefits. This is why programs such as LeanGains and EatStopEat are working wonders for many people.
The amount of uneducated people on here is unreal.
*sigh*
chronic <> acute
And while the post to which you were replying was not specific, I believe it is safe to assume they meant chronic (since that's the more commonly discussed issue here).OP do you have a cheat meal once a week? Will be an good idea to do so to throw your body off getting used to low cals all the time.
Did you even *read* OP's OP?0 -
OP: Many women have the same experience as you. Do what works for you. A group for short, petite women was formed recently,and most of them have to eat around 1200 to lose weight. Whatever your size, you might consider joining.
Haters gonna hate and the stupid and uninformed will remain stupid and uninformed. Are you going to let them interfere with your attainment of your goals?
And...
...I'm out.0 -
1200 as a base limit. Eat back all your exercise calories. I don't know why this infuriates people so much.
Edit - if your TDEE is 1700, of course. If it's higher, your base limit should be higher too.0 -
What is the point of this thread?
Ok so you are 400 cals under your maintenance. That is good.
You are referring to people eating 1200 cals when their maintenance is 2500.
????
After I replied a couple of times... LOL.. I too had to ask myself... Was this post originally just a rant post? Or was the original post a question that they truly wanted some of the communities ideas?? I have learned a lot of people just want you to say.. GO ahead.. do what you want.. your right in doing it! .. Constructive criticism is not taken well by everyone! LOL0 -
And yes, there are a *few* people for whom 1200ish calories makes sense. But those ladies are the exception, not the rule.
The OP is 5'2." Most of the women in the forum who insist that they have to be at 1200 or less are 5'2" or shorter. The average height for a woman in the U.S. is still only slightly more than 5'4". In any event, 1200 is nowhere near a Very Low Calorie Diet. I wouldn't recommend doing it without medical supervision, but there are healthy people who are on Calorie Restriction (CR) diets who eat no more than 500 calories a day.0 -
Haters gonna hate
Lovers gonna love
I don't even want none of the above
I wanna........
Drip drip drip....
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Very negative!! I thought this was a site where people support each other... wow.
Hmmm....is it being supportive to tell someone, "Way to go on destroying your body's metabolic functions! Woot!"
I had to comment .. I read it after my first initial reply...
I agree.. People are going to make their own life choices and then they will live with the results of those choices.... But I am asking you to not get upset at others especially if you have ask them a question.. or posted a topic into the community.. when you get their answers! Its not typical of anyone on here to give advice that will destroy your body... Just as if someone may tell you you need to cut out the pop.. and other treats... they may give the advice that your not eating enough.. therefore starving your body which will give quick results for a while... but after your done dieting and you go back to try and maintain... it may pose problems... and we all know.. some people are small enough.. have little activity and maybe even no exercise and only need 1200 calories... But is that really the majority? I don't think so~!
Right. When I think of people asking for support for things like this, it seems like rationalization. Can you imagine if someone put up a post that said, "I snort cocaine daily, and it's working for me!" And then they expect the community to just say, "Hey, whatever works! Good luck in your journey!"
People can do what they want, it's their body, not mine. But they shouldn't expect the rest of the community to be supportive when they are potentially harming themselves.
And yes, there are a *few* people for whom 1200ish calories makes sense. But those ladies are the exception, not the rule. For most, eating like that for a long period of time is not much healthier than snorting cocaine. It may "feel right" at the time because the damage doesn't become obvious right away.
Go Ahead.. do it your way.. LOL... Had a co-worker who used a prescription to loose weight.. the prescription was originally given to someone I didn't ever meet... that was for the dude to stop heroin... But hey.. it worked... she lost 80 pounds.. kept it off for over 3 years.... I don't know where she is now... and if that's your mind set... Any way is a good way... then please I will accept that we have different points of view.. you take your road.. I will take mine!0 -
the only things whilst cutting you should pay attention to is
-dont cheat
-keep going
-if you give up all the work you have done so far is for nothing
other than that do what you want0 -
If you want to slow your metabolism and be stuck HAVING to eat so little. Go ahead. When the body does not get enough calories metabolism slows period. This is from caveman times when the body had no idea when the next food was coming. Of course you may be the special snowflake exception to science. If so great. Have at it enjoy your snacks. I will eat my meals at about 1700 calories having lost over 100 lbs doing so.
This is the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever seen. Science has proven that you can fast safely for 4 days with no effects to your metabolism and not only that it has other health benefits. This is why programs such as LeanGains and EatStopEat are working wonders for many people.
The amount of uneducated people on here is unreal.
*sigh*
chronic <> acute
And while the post to which you were replying was not specific, I believe it is safe to assume they meant chronic (since that's the more commonly discussed issue here).OP do you have a cheat meal once a week? Will be an good idea to do so to throw your body off getting used to low cals all the time.
Did you even *read* OP's OP?
Yes I did thanks. Her BRM is 1600, She's eating 400 below that not the normal 500. If she's worried about her metabolism going slower over time on that amount of cals then a cheat meal each week to kick her leptin levels back up so as to avoid the intense physical hunger and the slowed-to-a-crawl metabolism will help.0 -
your right everybody has their own calorie requirements...0
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I've noticed that none of the people who are complaining about criticisms of 1200 and saying "people don't read the topic" have actually responded to my post asking who they have helped or what advice they have given to anyone who is asking "help I'm not losing on 1200." Is it because those people don't actually help anyone, or that they don't read the topic themselves and never saw that post?
I'm no expert, but I might advise to eat at maintenance for a few days/week to give a kick to the scale moving down again once you go back to 1200. That has worked well for me.0 -
And yes, there are a *few* people for whom 1200ish calories makes sense. But those ladies are the exception, not the rule.
The OP is 5'2." Most of the women in the forum who insist that they have to be at 1200 or less are 5'2" or shorter. The average height for a woman in the U.S. is still only slightly more than 5'4". In any event, 1200 is nowhere near a Very Low Calorie Diet. I wouldn't recommend doing it without medical supervision, but there are healthy people who are on Calorie Restriction (CR) diets who eat no more than 500 calories a day.
Height is only one small factor in determining energy expenditure. The difference between a 5'4" woman and a 5'2" woman in terms of energy expenditure is tiny. I'm 5'4" myself. Lifestyle is a much bigger indicator.0 -
I'm 5'2" and not very active. If I exercise I typically eat a little more. I've lost some weight and I don't feel like I'm starving at all. In fact, I feel better. Before, I was eating probably more than 2000 a day. The 1200 calorie calculation is fine for me.0
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If you want to slow your metabolism and be stuck HAVING to eat so little. Go ahead. When the body does not get enough calories metabolism slows period. This is from caveman times when the body had no idea when the next food was coming. Of course you may be the special snowflake exception to science. If so great. Have at it enjoy your snacks. I will eat my meals at about 1700 calories having lost over 100 lbs doing so.
This is the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever seen. Science has proven that you can fast safely for 4 days with no effects to your metabolism and not only that it has other health benefits. This is why programs such as LeanGains and EatStopEat are working wonders for many people.
The amount of uneducated people on here is unreal.
*sigh*
chronic <> acute
And while the post to which you were replying was not specific, I believe it is safe to assume they meant chronic (since that's the more commonly discussed issue here).OP do you have a cheat meal once a week? Will be an good idea to do so to throw your body off getting used to low cals all the time.
Did you even *read* OP's OP?
Yes I did thanks. Her BRM is 1600, She's eating 400 below that not the normal 500. If she's worried about her metabolism going slower over time on that amount of cals then a cheat meal each week to kick her leptin levels back up so as to avoid the intense physical hunger and the slowed-to-a-crawl metabolism will help.
You don't cut from your BMR. You cut from your TDEE. If her BMR is 1600 and she is *sedentary* and does no exercise at all, then her TDEE would be roughly 1920, which means a 400 calorie cut would put her at 1520, which is a reasonable amount for a sedentary woman to lose weight. If she is exercising, then she will need even more.0
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