hard time getting into ketosis
farfallina03
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hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
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Why do you feel like you need to get into ketosis? You dont need to be in ketosis to lose weight. Keto loses you weight the same way as other weight loss methods do, by creating a calorie deficit.
Nothing about the color of pee strips will help you with your weight loss journey. So don't worry about that. If you like the ketogenic way of eating, then continue with that and control your intake so that you eat at a deficit. You will lose weight that way, regardless of what strips say.24 -
If you don't have a condition that requires ketone monitoring, it really doesn't matter. If you're doing this for weight loss and the diet is satisfying enough to create a calorie deficit, you will do fine and you will lose weight.
If you believe the bloating is caused by your diet, look at your diary and see if you introduced something new to your diet. By eliminating these items one by one, you may discover what's causing your stomach to react.
It's also possible for bloating to be caused by swallowing air. This can happen when you're stressed. Does the diet feel stressful? If it does, know that you don't have to do keto to lose weight. Any diet that helps you stay in a calorie deficit will work.6 -
I agree with the other two. You are really making this too hard by committing to this keto thing vs. counting calories. I've lost 20 lb just eating 1300-1350 calories per day. Sometimes that includes bread, sweet potatoes, etc. Today I had a french roll baked at Publix and it was amazing. Didn't ruin my day at all.6
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farfallina03 wrote: »hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
Hi. You will get more positive feedback on low carbing and Keto on the Low Carber Daily group posts. Click https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum and you can join the group. Good luck with your journey.7 -
As someone with juvenile -type 1- diabetes this desire for people to get into ketosis really concerns me. As a child growing up I used to have to test for ketones and if I had them in my urine it was a huge health concern. Why is it so acceptable now to get your body to basically eat its own fat and produce ketones.....3
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farfallina03 wrote: »hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
What macros are you targeting? Are you logging EVERYTHING you eat?
Don’t worry about negative comments here. Ketosis is our natural state, and will contribute to overall weight loss.27 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »farfallina03 wrote: »hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
What macros are you targeting? Are you logging EVERYTHING you eat?
Don’t worry about negative comments here. Ketosis is our natural state, and will contribute to overall weight loss.
Saying it's not necessary for weight loss is not a negative comment, it's simply a fact. Eating low carb is fine, being in ketosis is fine. What's not fine is overcomplicating things and stressing about things that make little difference to weight loss (if the goal is weight loss). If she is losing weight, why would it matter if the strips show excreted ketones or not?18 -
Confirmation of ketone level is an indicator that your nutritional intake is in balance. Ketone production is dependent on a high fat to low carb ratio. Without this ratio, our bodies burn glucose from carbs and sugar instead of drawing from fat supplies. The notion that all calories are the same and that you just have to put lees into the machine than is being burned is an incomplete analogy of the human experience as evolved over millions of years. We shouldn’t have to “work” at being well. Being In ketosis is our natural default and urinalysis strips confirming this state is good feedback. Because we’ve been trained to eat a misguided “low fat” diet for so long, it takes some practice to get back to a healthy lifestyle. Keto strips help guide you back to that path. Do they make you lose weight? No. Are they the final arbiter of well being? No. But they are a simple, inexpensive tool to help us learn how to fuel our bodies to satisfy our evolutionary needs, rather than those of some governmental bureaucracy.
The OP asked for help with an issue. Why not offer a solution to that problem, rather than suggesting his problem isn’t justified? We’re each on our own path, aren’t we?36 -
So something that takes so much attention and effort to be in is the "natural state" - but the state that is super easy to be in not only on modern available food but ancient foods too is the unnatural?
Ya, rhetorical question.
Besides which - while I sit here for about 12 hrs of my day, and a hopeful other 8 hrs of sleep (likely not) - my main source of energy for about 90-92% is fat supplies.
And unless my exercise is pushing the anaerobic side of the aerobic range - fat continues to be a major supplier of energy needs.
Except my brain, I'll concede that.
But what it pulls ultimately from the liver as glucose stores, is replenished from my meals which therefore lowers the time insulin is elevated since eaten carbs had a place to go, besides muscle storage.
OP - may need to log better, or confirm any carbs eaten have fat/protein eaten first in the meal.7 -
farfallina03 wrote: »hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
Hi. You will get more positive feedback on low carbing and Keto on the Low Carber Daily group posts. Click https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum and you can join the group. Good luck with your journey.
Here's a piece that I recall being linked in a thread over there, which says basically what others here have said: http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard1.html“I got kicked out of ketosis.”
If I never hear or read those six words, in that order, ever again, I’ll be one happy individual.
Based on what I come across on low-carb forums, blogs, and videos, there is a lot of confusion about the correct use of urine ketone test strips (which I’ll sometimes refer to as ketostix, since “ketone test strips” is a mouthful, even when you’re only reading). So allow me to ‘splain a little bit about how to interpret these things, and what role they should play—if any—in your low-carb life.
First and foremost is the most important thing you will read in today’s post. (And it is so important that I will likely repeat it in all the posts to follow in this little series. Plus, you can tell it’s important because it’s red, bold, in italics, and all caps, hehheh.)
YOU CAN BE IN KETOSIS AND NOT LOSE BODY FAT,
AND YOU CAN LOSE BODY FAT WITHOUT BEING IN KETOSIS.
Here is an exhaustive, comprehensive list of everything urine ketone test strips tell you:
There is acetoacetate in your urine.
That’s it. Nothing more. Nada más. Game over. Finito. The fat lady has sung, and Elvis has left the building.
The writer (Amy Berger) is very pro keto, and I don't actually agree with some of the stuff she claims, but this is a good and worthwhile point.10 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »Without this ratio, our bodies burn glucose from carbs and sugar instead of drawing from fat supplies.
Not if you are in a calorie deficit. The body is not magic and able to run on no energy.Being In ketosis is our natural default
Not only is this inconsistent with the vast majority of traditional human diets, but those in areas with so few (not no) carbs that most people would have been in ketosis eating their diet (the Inuit) have apparently adapted so that they are not in ketosis on that diet.
Keto strips also can be inaccurate as to whether one is actually in ketosis, but the benefit of keto for those whom it benefits is typically appetite control. If OP is feeling fine on her calories, there's no need to worry about the line between keto and very low carb or testing her urine (the piece I linked goes into this more, from a pro keto POV).9 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »Confirmation of ketone level is an indicator that your nutritional intake is in balance. Ketone production is dependent on a high fat to low carb ratio. Without this ratio, our bodies burn glucose from carbs and sugar instead of drawing from fat supplies. The notion that all calories are the same and that you just have to put lees into the machine than is being burned is an incomplete analogy of the human experience as evolved over millions of years. We shouldn’t have to “work” at being well. Being In ketosis is our natural default and urinalysis strips confirming this state is good feedback. Because we’ve been trained to eat a misguided “low fat” diet for so long, it takes some practice to get back to a healthy lifestyle. Keto strips help guide you back to that path. Do they make you lose weight? No. Are they the final arbiter of well being? No. But they are a simple, inexpensive tool to help us learn how to fuel our bodies to satisfy our evolutionary needs, rather than those of some governmental bureaucracy.
The OP asked for help with an issue. Why not offer a solution to that problem, rather than suggesting his problem isn’t justified? We’re each on our own path, aren’t we?
Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.15 -
So something that takes so much attention and effort to be in is the "natural state" - but the state that is super easy to be in not only on modern available food but ancient foods too is the unnatural?
It only requires attention because of the vast amount of contrary education, conditioning, media, marketing, and availability that confronts us every day. And “so much attention and effort”? Really? You pee on them. As you are peeing already. Hardly an effort. Not sure how you justify modern available food and ancient foods as an argument for you, but if either are plant based, their age is irrelevant. Humans evolved around, and because of animal fat consumption. This is neither good nor bad, it just is.Besides which - while I sit here for about 12 hrs of my day, and a hopeful other 8 hrs of sleep (likely not) - my main source of energy for about 90-92% is fat supplies.
And unless my exercise is pushing the anaerobic side of the aerobic range - fat continues to be a major supplier of energy needs.
Except my brain, I'll concede that.
But what it pulls ultimately from the liver as glucose stores, is replenished from my meals which therefore lowers the time insulin is elevated since eaten carbs had a place to go, besides muscle storage.
Not without ketones being present! Otherwise you’d be burning sugar/carbs. But now we’re close to a chicken-and-egg conversation which ultimately doesn’t matter. The point is, ketone testing is a good *indicator* of nutritional ratios. Nothing more.OP - may need to log better, or confirm any carbs eaten have fat/protein eaten first in the meal.
Which is why I asked these questions in my first post here 😉12 -
farfallina03 wrote: »YOU CAN BE IN KETOSIS AND NOT LOSE BODY FAT,
AND YOU CAN LOSE BODY FAT WITHOUT BEING IN KETOSIS.
The writer (Amy Berger) is very pro keto, and I don't actually agree with some of the stuff she claims, but this is a good and worthwhile point.
Sure. For example, eating 20 lbs of bacon per day exclusively will not result in weight loss. Conversely, people get skinny when held in detainment with little to no food for months and months. But there's a middle area too. Personally, I'd like to find a sweet spot where I can burn stored fat, while at the same time not feel hungry all the time. This is what eating a high fat to carb ration feels like.6 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »Without this ratio, our bodies burn glucose from carbs and sugar instead of drawing from fat supplies.
Not if you are in a calorie deficit.
Commonly known as: being hungry.Being In ketosis is our natural default
Not only is this inconsistent with the vast majority of traditional human diets, but those in areas with so few (not no) carbs that most people would have been in ketosis eating their diet (the Inuit) have apparently adapted so that they are not in ketosis on that diet.
Traditional diets dating back 100's of thousands of years? Traditional in terms of post-agricultural? Okay, but we evolved over millions of years into who we are by consuming a high ratio of animal fat to carb.Keto strips also can be inaccurate as to whether one is actually in ketosis, but the benefit of keto for those whom it benefits is typically appetite control. If OP is feeling fine on her calories, there's no need to worry about the line between keto and very low carb or testing her urine (the piece I linked goes into this more, from a pro keto POV).
You say appetite control as if it's an inconsequential triviality. If caloric deficit wasn't uncomfortable, and didn't require control, would any of us be here right now? The OP stated she feels bloated, so it seems to warrant further investigation. Again, this is why I asked my original questions. 🙂12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.
Or so a few friendly mega-corporations out there would like you to think!14 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »farfallina03 wrote: »YOU CAN BE IN KETOSIS AND NOT LOSE BODY FAT,
AND YOU CAN LOSE BODY FAT WITHOUT BEING IN KETOSIS.
The writer (Amy Berger) is very pro keto, and I don't actually agree with some of the stuff she claims, but this is a good and worthwhile point.
Sure. For example, eating 20 lbs of bacon per day exclusively will not result in weight loss. Conversely, people get skinny when held in detainment with little to no food for months and months. But there's a middle area too. Personally, I'd like to find a sweet spot where I can burn stored fat, while at the same time not feel hungry all the time. This is what eating a high fat to carb ration feels like.
Her point was that you don't need to worry about being in ketosis, and you certainly don't need to test your urine (and the stix may well be inaccurate).
People lose weight without "little to no food for months and months" AND without being in ketosis. Personally, I lost lots of weight without doing keto or worrying about my fat to carb ratio (I was moderately low carb for much of the time, but I've lost doing high carb too, and many people here did too).
I also was not hungry when losing that weight.
I do think for some people -- perhaps you -- appetite can be a problem and keto (or very low carb) helps. But testing urine then seems irrelevant, as you can tell if you are hungry and cut carbs further to see if that helps.5 -
Her point was that you don't need to worry about being in ketosis, and you certainly don't need to test your urine (and the stix may well be inaccurate).
People lose weight without "little to no food for months and months" AND without being in ketosis. Personally, I lost lots of weight without doing keto or worrying about my fat to carb ratio (I was moderately low carb for much of the time, but I've lost doing high carb too, and many people here did too).
I also was not hungry when losing that weight.
I do think for some people -- perhaps you -- appetite can be a problem and keto (or very low carb) helps. But testing urine then seems irrelevant, as you can tell if you are hungry and cut carbs further to see if that helps.
Honestly I don't even know if we disagree about anything! My only point is that keto strips give you data (accuracy ebbs and flows) about what your body is doing in a quicker way than waiting to see if the scale moves one direction or the other. It is then up to each person to use this data appropriately, or not.
I have no doubt people can lose weight in lots of different ways. The reality is that, despite what we are taught, there has never been a clinical study that proves conclusively that low-fat, high carb diets promote human well being. So if the OP wants to be in ketosis, right on!, I say.
Also, I appreciate your input here. 👍8 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.
Or so a few friendly mega-corporations out there would like you to think!
Uhhh...that's just a picture of a bunch of highly processed junk food. You do realize there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates right? Where's the oats, the veggies, the fruit, the lentils and beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc in your little picture?
I eat a lot of carbohydrates, most of which are whole foods. I had zero problems losing weight nor maintaining it going on 6 years. Why do keto zealots always equate carbohydrates with a bunch of highly processed junk food? It's like complete nutritional ignorance.
The Inuit diet is the only culturally traditional diet I can think of that would resemble a keto diet...ketosis isn't our natural state. Even primal people would have eaten a lot of tubers and whatnot.
Also, maybe you should do a little research on blue zones...8 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »farfallina03 wrote: »YOU CAN BE IN KETOSIS AND NOT LOSE BODY FAT,
AND YOU CAN LOSE BODY FAT WITHOUT BEING IN KETOSIS.
The writer (Amy Berger) is very pro keto, and I don't actually agree with some of the stuff she claims, but this is a good and worthwhile point.
Sure. For example, eating 20 lbs of bacon per day exclusively will not result in weight loss. Conversely, people get skinny when held in detainment with little to no food for months and months. But there's a middle area too. Personally, I'd like to find a sweet spot where I can burn stored fat, while at the same time not feel hungry all the time. This is what eating a high fat to carb ration feels like.
Her point was that you don't need to worry about being in ketosis, and you certainly don't need to test your urine (and the stix may well be inaccurate).
People lose weight without "little to no food for months and months" AND without being in ketosis. Personally, I lost lots of weight without doing keto or worrying about my fat to carb ratio (I was moderately low carb for much of the time, but I've lost doing high carb too, and many people here did too).
I also was not hungry when losing that weight.
I do think for some people -- perhaps you -- appetite can be a problem and keto (or very low carb) helps. But testing urine then seems irrelevant, as you can tell if you are hungry and cut carbs further to see if that helps.
That was my point. You don't need sticks to tell you if you're hungry or not.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.
Or so a few friendly mega-corporations out there would like you to think!
Uhhh...that's just a picture of a bunch of highly processed junk food. You do realize there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates right? Where's the oats, the veggies, the fruit, the lentils and beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc in your little picture?
I eat a lot of carbohydrates, most of which are whole foods. I had zero problems losing weight nor maintaining it going on 6 years. Why do keto zealots always equate carbohydrates with a bunch of highly processed junk food? It's like complete nutritional ignorance.
The Inuit diet is the only culturally traditional diet I can think of that would resemble a keto diet...ketosis isn't our natural state. Even primal people would have eaten a lot of tubers and whatnot.
Also, maybe you should do a little research on blue zones...
No need to get angry and call people names, buddy! We're just talking here! It's all good...
The point of my link was to illustrate that the vast majority of all consumer food production, with billions and billions of dollars in the balance, depend on people believing that plants are healthier than animal products. Look at all the talk of super foods these days. Ever see any mention of liver in that discussion? Yet liver blows kale away in nearly all measurable ways.
I'm happy for your success! It's great that you have been able to find happiness in your diet and exercise regimens. I think it would be equally great to help support others here find their own happiness no matter what path they choose.
I've said all I have to say about our natural state. We may just have to agree to disagree on some things, which is ok too!14 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.
Or so a few friendly mega-corporations out there would like you to think!
Uhhh...that's just a picture of a bunch of highly processed junk food. You do realize there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates right? Where's the oats, the veggies, the fruit, the lentils and beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc in your little picture?
I eat a lot of carbohydrates, most of which are whole foods. I had zero problems losing weight nor maintaining it going on 6 years. Why do keto zealots always equate carbohydrates with a bunch of highly processed junk food? It's like complete nutritional ignorance.
The Inuit diet is the only culturally traditional diet I can think of that would resemble a keto diet...ketosis isn't our natural state. Even primal people would have eaten a lot of tubers and whatnot.
Also, maybe you should do a little research on blue zones...
No need to get angry and call people names, buddy! We're just talking here! It's all good...
The point of my link was to illustrate that the vast majority of all consumer food production, with billions and billions of dollars in the balance, depend on people believing that plants are healthier than animal products. Look at all the talk of super foods these days. Ever see any mention of liver in that discussion? Yet liver blows kale away in nearly all measurable ways.
I'm happy for your success! It's great that you have been able to find happiness in your diet and exercise regimens. I think it would be equally great to help support others here find their own happiness no matter what path they choose.
I've said all I have to say about our natural state. We may just have to agree to disagree on some things, which is ok too!
Including vitamin A toxicity.7 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BadBanditCA wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Keto isn't the body's natural default...it's the body's backup emergency plan.
Or so a few friendly mega-corporations out there would like you to think!
Uhhh...that's just a picture of a bunch of highly processed junk food. You do realize there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates right? Where's the oats, the veggies, the fruit, the lentils and beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc in your little picture?
I eat a lot of carbohydrates, most of which are whole foods. I had zero problems losing weight nor maintaining it going on 6 years. Why do keto zealots always equate carbohydrates with a bunch of highly processed junk food? It's like complete nutritional ignorance.
The Inuit diet is the only culturally traditional diet I can think of that would resemble a keto diet...ketosis isn't our natural state. Even primal people would have eaten a lot of tubers and whatnot.
Also, maybe you should do a little research on blue zones...
No need to get angry and call people names, buddy! We're just talking here! It's all good...
The point of my link was to illustrate that the vast majority of all consumer food production, with billions and billions of dollars in the balance, depend on people believing that plants are healthier than animal products. Look at all the talk of super foods these days. Ever see any mention of liver in that discussion? Yet liver blows kale away in nearly all measurable ways.
I'm happy for your success! It's great that you have been able to find happiness in your diet and exercise regimens. I think it would be equally great to help support others here find their own happiness no matter what path they choose.
I've said all I have to say about our natural state. We may just have to agree to disagree on some things, which is ok too!
What names?3 -
How odd that despite my high carb diet I'm still burning a majority of fat for fuel right up to about 130bpm when tested in a sports science lab.
Ketosis is not required to burn fat - it's a totally normal part of everyone's daily lives whether you are low carb, moderate carb or high carb.
To have a net loss of body fat you just need to be in a calorie deficit. We really wouldn't store excess energy as fat if it was so difficult to access it.
BTW - deficit does not have to equal hungry.8 -
Why does someone's request for help have to end up in a stupid argument? I'm not a low-carber but I don't need to justify MY CHOICES to anyone. Just do you thing and let it go; the OP wasn't asking for justification of HER choices. Good grief.11
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How odd that despite my high carb diet I'm still burning a majority of fat for fuel right up to about 130bpm when tested in a sports science lab.
Ketosis is not required to burn fat - it's a totally normal part of everyone's daily lives whether you are low carb, moderate carb or high carb.
To have a net loss of body fat you just need to be in a calorie deficit. We really wouldn't store excess energy as fat if it was so difficult to access it.
BTW - deficit does not have to equal hungry.
Ok, I am very happy for you too! That’s awesome that you have found a path that makes you feel good.
However, burning fat during strenuous workouts isn’t really part of this conversation. Not to say that this in any way detracts from your accomplishments! And once again, can we please just help the OP find their path and their success?5 -
As someone with juvenile -type 1- diabetes this desire for people to get into ketosis really concerns me. As a child growing up I used to have to test for ketones and if I had them in my urine it was a huge health concern. Why is it so acceptable now to get your body to basically eat its own fat and produce ketones.....
Because ketosis and ketoacidosis are different things.
As an insulin-dependent Diabetic, you're at risk for ketoacidosis, which is a state of both high ketones and high blood sugar, because your body doesn't make its own insulin to modulate the internal production of either (because both are modulated by it).
When you're consuming a high-carb diet, you will have very few ketones in your system during the day unless something is wrong (such as having a non-functional pancreas). Since you were/are probably consuming such a diet, any amount of ketones would be a warning sign for you.
However, nutritional ketosis is a different beast altogether. A person's ketone levels are pretty much incapable of reaching the levels found in the ketoacidotic state (NK = <~5 units; DKA = ~20 units) even if they try through nutritional ketosis, as long as they have a reasonably functioning pancreas.
Ketones, like glucose, are not inherently bad. What is bad is the amount, above the body's tolerance threshold.
On a related note, you might be interested in http://www.diabetes-book.com/about/diabetes-book.com/about/ and the history of the medical field as it relates to Diabetes management.5 -
BadBanditCA wrote: »How odd that despite my high carb diet I'm still burning a majority of fat for fuel right up to about 130bpm when tested in a sports science lab.
Ketosis is not required to burn fat - it's a totally normal part of everyone's daily lives whether you are low carb, moderate carb or high carb.
To have a net loss of body fat you just need to be in a calorie deficit. We really wouldn't store excess energy as fat if it was so difficult to access it.
BTW - deficit does not have to equal hungry.
Ok, I am very happy for you too! That’s awesome that you have found a path that makes you feel good.
However, burning fat during strenuous workouts isn’t really part of this conversation. Not to say that this in any way detracts from your accomplishments! And once again, can we please just help the OP find their path and their success?
Just correcting your misinformation about how the human body works my friend. Think that is helpful for the OP as well as other readers. Fun fact - the highest proportion of fat burned is while you sleep.
I'm very happy whatever path people choose, there's many ways to success but accurate knowledge helps everyone understand the choices they make.
If OP's aim is weight loss rather than ketosis for its own sake then understanding the mechanisms at play should help.5 -
farfallina03 wrote: »hi there '
its been difficult to see the strips gettin purple
its over a week and i feel bloaded \
suggestion
I've lost 37 lb. on keto and never bought a single test strip. I don't do intermittent fasting either. I don't think it's important or worth stressing over. Your body will tell you what you need to know. If you've only been on keto for a week, you're probably still becoming fat-adapted (adjusting from burning glucose for energy to burning fat). Make sure you're getting enough salt and fluids to avoid the "keto flu". And if you haven't seen Dr. Ken Berry's videos on youtube, check them out. He's a real M.D. practicing in Tennessee and has lost a lot of weight on keto himself. If you've got a question, he's got an answer. This one will help you know if you're fat-adapted or not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl0RAVKvPCo
And good luck!7 -
Why does someone's request for help have to end up in a stupid argument? I'm not a low-carber but I don't need to justify MY CHOICES to anyone. Just do you thing and let it go; the OP wasn't asking for justification of HER choices. Good grief.
I think most of us were trying to reassure her that she didn't need to worry about the ketostix. That was the point of the (pro keto) article I cited.
I think keto/very low carb can be a perfectly fine choice for some, but whether or not it works doesn't depend on ketostix turning a particular color. It works because for some it's an easier way to control calories.4
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