Keto unhealthy???
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I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=harmful+effects+of+Keto+diet+10 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=harmful+effects+of+Keto+diet+
If only you knew who you just linked that to. Lemon is incredibly knowledgeable and fact based. Also, google is not a scientific study.5 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=harmful+effects+of+Keto+diet+
Cute.6 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=harmful+effects+of+Keto+diet+
2007 called. They want their gimmick back.
I used to love that LMGTFY thing...then it jumped the shark...wait...now I'm just dating myself.9 -
I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.10 -
From an evolutionary standpoint IF makes tons of sense. In a hunter/gather style society, food would not be readily available and eaten when it was. From a purely survival stance, this is incredibly logical.
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brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
The only problem with this is that the Keto diet has been around and in use since the early 1900's (or before). I think any major health concerns would have shown up by now.3 -
BecomingBane wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=harmful+effects+of+Keto+diet+
If only you knew who you just linked that to. Lemon is incredibly knowledgeable and fact based. Also, google is not a scientific study.
What is interesting, is there is sufficient evidence and recent meta-analyses supporting low carb being healthy.
When I keto, which is currently, i am eating lots of fish, fibrous veggies and avocados, steak and cooking in either olive, avocado oils and irish butter. Sounds like a terrible diet right?
The big thing i am doing is getting more natural whole foods and eliminating preservatives.9 -
Absolutely horrible and imbalanced in all the ways.
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brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
The only problem with this is that the Keto diet has been around and in use since the early 1900's (or before). I think any major health concerns would have shown up by now.
Yes, but modern medicine has not.
We used to believe that women had demons inside them that had to be exorcised by the use of "medical instruments" that we now buy to do the dirty with ourselves. The word "hysteria" literally comes from that. The latin root "hyster" is used to describe the uterus, hence why a hysterectomy is a removal of the uterus.
Not saying that keto is stupid at all.
I'm just saying that we weren't always all that educated and we're learning and discovering more every day.10 -
brittanystebbins95 wrote: »brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
The only problem with this is that the Keto diet has been around and in use since the early 1900's (or before). I think any major health concerns would have shown up by now.
Yes, but modern medicine has not.
We used to believe that women had demons inside them that had to be exorcised by the use of "medical instruments" that we now buy to do the dirty with ourselves. The word "hysteria" literally comes from that. The latin root "hyster" is used to describe the uterus, hence why a hysterectomy is a removal of the uterus.
Not saying that keto is stupid at all.
I'm just saying that we weren't always all that educated and we're learning and discovering more every day.
No matter how much we science the crap out of something, there will still be questions regarding diets. Just look at aspartame. Its been studied 50 years and still has recent research regarding its safety.
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brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
Interesting. In case anyone else was wondering: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/news-events/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy
My mother and brother feed their dog a grain-free food that does have peas in the first 6 ingredients.1 -
brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
Then how should we decide what to be afraid of? Just be afraid of everthing?
Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on the "natural selection tested human diets" idea . . . but those are pretty diverse.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »brittanystebbins95 wrote: »I just finished a biochemistry class for my degree and the professor told us about a conference he had been to on biochem in nutrition. 10/10 biochemists do NOT recommend Keto or long term intermittent fasting. Both have detrimental affects on muscle wastage tolerance and risk of ketoacidosis.
There isn't evidence to support either of those statements.
Just throwing this out there as food for thought.
There "wasn't evidence" of grain-free diets being harmful for dogs, either. And it took loads of dogs to develop a severe and deadly heart condition, and a long time for it to be linked to grain free diets, before the FDA released any information or warnings on it.
Not saying there IS credible evidence, but I know that often, the research is way behind and we never find out just how BAD something is for us until its too late.
I'd rather not take any risks like that and just stick to a normal calorie deficit by monitoring portions and making sure my proteins, fats, and carbs are balanced. Not one practically eliminated or drastically reduced.
Interesting. In case anyone else was wondering: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/news-events/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy
My mother and brother feed their dog a grain-free food that does have peas in the first 6 ingredients.
Thank you for the link, I was wondering. My dog is allergic (blood tests by the vet, not just our neurosis) to wheat, rice, maize, cows milk, beef, white fish, dust mites plus many tree and grass pollens so that was an interesting read!0 -
Keto is crap , it's pretty simple. We are designed to run on carbs, that is the body's #1 choice of fuel. That is why we store glycogen in our muscles after we eat carbs. The body burns things in this order. Carbs, Fats, and then protein. (burning muscle as the protein.) The enzyme in our mouth called amylase breaks down starches. This is like tubers (potatoes), grains, and beans, and rice ect... This is the fuel we are meant to thrive on
All this nonsense with avoiding carbs is an unhealthy fad. 14 -
It is just silly to claim that keto has been around along time, therefore it isn't a fad. Keto was designed as a therapeutic diet. You don't take medicine for a disease you don't have. The keto diet in its current form is indeed a fad.11
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cuteangelkitten wrote: »Keto is crap , it's pretty simple. We are designed to run on carbs, that is the body's #1 choice of fuel. That is why we store glycogen in our muscles after we eat carbs. The body burns things in this order. Carbs, Fats, and then protein. (burning muscle as the protein.) The enzyme in our mouth called amylase breaks down starches. This is like tubers (potatoes), grains, and beans, and rice ect... This is the fuel we are meant to thrive on All this nonsense with avoiding carbs is an unhealthy fad.
You do realize the your body on a mixture of fat and carbs right? Its just not constantly running on carbs (except red blood cells and your central nervous system). If you measured fat oxidation and carb oxidation, it would vary throughout the day. Fats when you're fasted or in between meals which don't involve carbs, and carbs post carb meals and exercise.
Btw, our bodies are designed for resilliance. It will run completely fine on carbs, fats or ketones. If it didn't, we would have died a long time ago.10 -
I was surprised to get flamed above.
For my part, I just wanted to be sure that the Keto fans had an opportunity to see that there are two sides to this story. Literally hundreds of commentators who state their opinions on the possibility of harm. Google it.
No one will really know until there are long term peer reviewed clinical studies which will come eventually.
For me, I don't care if Keto is harmful or not because I am never going for it or any other fad diet. They are the purview of persons who want to suffer. I like food so I am not eliminating anything. Just counting, balancing and making informed choices to meet daily goals. True, I eat less red meat and less carbs. But, less carbs still means a lot of carbs. And, 320 days in I have lost 42 of 240 pounds now at 198 with only two weeks showing a 1 pound weight gain. Water no doubt.8 -
Keto does not put you at risk for diabetes. Diabetes comes from insulin resistance which isn't caused by ketones. It is caused by glucose.10
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Keto and Atkins are NOT basically the same thing. In Atkins, you are still running off of glucose. On keto, you are running off ketones.7
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