October 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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Oh, @MegaMooseEsq sorry I missed your post. I'm sorry to hear about your knee and your DNS. Hope you are back running with no pain very soon.1
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If they are getting proper nutrition, i don't think it really matters what you eat.
I love animals. But i also love meat. Maybe meat with a side of meat.
I also like eating vegan food.
I'm not sure if the science is there or not.
I totally didn't answer your question
I'm looking for thoughts. DH has high cholesterol and he needs to change his diet. I thought, no way I'm giving up McDonald's 2-3 times a week or my grass fed fatty roast. But... IDK.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I mostly follow DASH which has lower meat amounts, high fruit and veggies, whole grains, and dairy. It has a higher focus on micronutrients specifically designed to help with high blood pressure. I started this way of eating because my sister needed support when her doc put her on DASH. It was a test to see if she could avoid meds. After one month her blood pressure was within normal range and her cholesterol went down as well. Her husband had tried a vegan-ish diet a few years back to control cholesterol but it didn’t work for him. After seeing her results on DASH he has started looking to move toward a DASH style of eating. I am not rigid about it but am 80-90% compliant with the serving suggestions daily. My cholesterol was normal on my last screening at work but I hadn’t been tested prior to DASH to know if I had an issue.
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@Elise4270 That is one of the things that surprises a lot of people about keto and even carnivore. There is an assumption that higher fat and higher animal consumption leads to increased cholesterol, but it is often the opposite result. Cutting carbs (especially simple sugars) usually helps. Exercise helps too.
Then there is the discussion of LDL particle size. If this wasn't tested, he can get a reasonable estimate by calculating the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. The lower result will indicate larger particle sizes (this is good).
Personally, if my triglyceride:HDL ratio is less than 1 (last was 0.52), I know I'm good on particle size. And even though my total cholesterol (202) was a bit high technically last time, it is in large part because my HDL was 99. But I eat carnivore / no plants (except coffee and unsweetened tea, small amounts of seasonings/sauces) and take fish oil.2 -
@T1DCarnivoreRunner I hadn't heard of LDL particle size before. My HDL is always high too. I just went and retrieved my latest blood test results.... total cholesterol was 236, HDL was 94, and triglycerides was 68. That makes my triglyceride:HDL ratio 0.48. So, I guess I'm good. I don't think I could give up plants. I like salads and potatoes too much. I do need to work on my BP though. I'd love to get off of my medication, but, with my aneurysm, they are being cautious about it. I may look into the DASH diet again @emmamcgarity . I'm just to the point in my life now that I feel eating anything in moderation is okay. Too much restriction and I won't stick with it. I know. I've tried them all. LOL
*Update: I looked up the DASH diet and know why I don't follow it now. I would have to limit my cheese intake and I am not willing to give it up. I'm a cheese-aholic. Also, it says to use a lot of low fat items. I have found those usually contain more carbs than their "normal" counterparts and I do try to watch that, as I am a carb-aholic too, if you believe Adkins. I am watching my sodium intake on most days and exercising a lot more. I think I'm on the right track. I just have to keep it up.5 -
If I remember correctly there was a follow up study using the full fat dairy instead of low-fat that had similar outcomes on DASH. I still eat small portions of full fat cheese daily but I use skim milk and fat free Greek yogurt. There was an emphasis to my sister from her doc to be sure to include dairy daily and eat potassium rich foods. Exercise was also encouraged but I don’t think this group has an issue with lack of exercise with all our running. The diet was highlighted on the n=1 podcast which I found helpful to listen to. I still eat too much added sugar to be 100% DASH but I think overall it’s a reasonable model.
In other news, my training run last night was my first continuous 10k. It felt good and I felt strong. My 5k race is November 2, and I’m peeking at half marathon training plans for afterward.8 -
10-1 7k slow
10-2 7k easy
10-3 rest
10-4 rest
10-5 7k moderate
10-6 7k easy
10-7 rest
10-8 7k moderate
10-9 7k easy
10-10 rest
10-11 4k easy
10-12 rest
10-13 5k race
10-14 rest
10-15 4k slow
10-16 7k slow
10-17 rest
10-18 7k slow
10-19 7k slow
10-20 7k easy
10-21 rest
10-22 rest
10-23 rest
10-24 4k easy
10-25 babysitting
10-26 7k easy
10-27 7k slow
October Total: 101k
October Goal: 135k
January Total: 131k
February Total: 159.5k
March Total: 183k
April Total: 126k
May Total: 128k
June Total: 161.5k
July Total: 151k
August Total: 133k
September Total: 135k
2019 total: 1,308k / 811m
Monthly average: 145.3k
Next year when you pop in here claiming your December 2019 mileage, what accomplishments will you have made?
Run at least 4 5k races. Completed 8-31
Get under 30:00 and a PR for 5k. Nope...
Average at least 135k per month, which would put me over 1,000 miles for the year.
Run the Year Team: Five for Nineteen - Completed 9-28
Cloudy, mid 50s, and very windy today. Would not have surprised me if the wind gusts were over 25 mph. Good day for a slow run. Fewer niggles, too. Only loud complainer was my right SI joint.
2019 Races:
4-13 Shine the Light 5K - 31:12 chip time; First Place male 65 and older
6-30 Strides for Starfish 5K - 31:34 chip time; 31/77 overall; second male 65 and older (no official category)
7-27 Solon Home Days 5K - 31:11 chip time; 95/141 overall; 4/6 age group (male)
8-31 Race for Freedom 5k - 31:39 chip time; 32:00 Garmin time; Third Place male 60 and older
9-14 Gift of Life 5k - off the schedule; insufficient recovery time
10-13 Haunted Hustle 5k - 31:22 chip time; 47/74 overall; First Place male 60 and older5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »@Elise4270 That is one of the things that surprises a lot of people about keto and even carnivore. There is an assumption that higher fat and higher animal consumption leads to increased cholesterol, but it is often the opposite result. Cutting carbs (especially simple sugars) usually helps. Exercise helps too.
Then there is the discussion of LDL particle size. If this wasn't tested, he can get a reasonable estimate by calculating the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. The lower result will indicate larger particle sizes (this is good).
Personally, if my triglyceride:HDL ratio is less than 1 (last was 0.52), I know I'm good on particle size. And even though my total cholesterol (202) was a bit high technically last time, it is in large part because my HDL was 99. But I eat carnivore / no plants (except coffee and unsweetened tea, small amounts of seasonings/sauces) and take fish oil.
Yes. And that's what's so confounding to me. I liked the higher fat diet, felt good on it. I'm not currently getting any exercise... Doc Friday, perhaps I'll be cleared to swim.
My cholesterol is up but normal. Over the years it's gone from 125 to about 165 now. Dh's jumped 60 points in the last 3 months. I know there's some talk of changing the cholesterol interpretation, I just hadn't looked into it. I told him to see his doctor since he's now flirting with 300.
I seem to have less pain currently... but low carb? Ya I love that, my mind is quicker, my hunger controlled, and I like animal fats. I really have no idea how I should eat.
It's such a simple question, yet I find no answer.
I think for now, I may try to split the week... IDK. I am not a carb eater. I cringe at the thought of oatmeal for breakfast and would rather do eggs, Canadian bacon, cheese on an English muffin.
And, thanks. You always some something I can use.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »@Elise4270 That is one of the things that surprises a lot of people about keto and even carnivore. There is an assumption that higher fat and higher animal consumption leads to increased cholesterol, but it is often the opposite result. Cutting carbs (especially simple sugars) usually helps. Exercise helps too.
Then there is the discussion of LDL particle size. If this wasn't tested, he can get a reasonable estimate by calculating the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. The lower result will indicate larger particle sizes (this is good).
Personally, if my triglyceride:HDL ratio is less than 1 (last was 0.52), I know I'm good on particle size. And even though my total cholesterol (202) was a bit high technically last time, it is in large part because my HDL was 99. But I eat carnivore / no plants (except coffee and unsweetened tea, small amounts of seasonings/sauces) and take fish oil.
Yes. And that's what's so confounding to me. I liked the higher fat diet, felt good on it. I'm not currently getting any exercise... Doc Friday, perhaps I'll be cleared to swim.
My cholesterol is up but normal. Over the years it's gone from 125 to about 165 now. Dh's jumped 60 points in the last 3 months. I know there's some talk of changing the cholesterol interpretation, I just hadn't looked into it. I told him to see his doctor since he's now flirting with 300.
I seem to have less pain currently... but low carb? Ya I love that, my mind is quicker, my hunger controlled, and I like animal fats. I really have no idea how I should eat.
It's such a simple question, yet I find no answer.
I think for now, I may try to split the week... IDK.
That is where carnivore is simple. Did your food come from a source that had a mother? If yes, then it is carnivore.
*Yes, I know plants reproduce by spreading seed and such from other plants. Try not to interpret the question to include this... most of us know the difference between an animal and a plant. Shrimp, fish, chickens (including eggs), hogs, cows, rabbits, goats, sheep, etc. are all animals. Trees, corn, beans, rice, wheat are not. And yes, some carnivores eat higher carb products like milk. I think that is fine depending on your goals. It may good to limit lactose in your case. And honey is a legitimate debate, I would agree it is technically carnivore, but not advised for those of us wanting to cut carbs (especially sugar).3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »@Elise4270 That is one of the things that surprises a lot of people about keto and even carnivore. There is an assumption that higher fat and higher animal consumption leads to increased cholesterol, but it is often the opposite result. Cutting carbs (especially simple sugars) usually helps. Exercise helps too.
Then there is the discussion of LDL particle size. If this wasn't tested, he can get a reasonable estimate by calculating the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. The lower result will indicate larger particle sizes (this is good).
Personally, if my triglyceride:HDL ratio is less than 1 (last was 0.52), I know I'm good on particle size. And even though my total cholesterol (202) was a bit high technically last time, it is in large part because my HDL was 99. But I eat carnivore / no plants (except coffee and unsweetened tea, small amounts of seasonings/sauces) and take fish oil.
Yes. And that's what's so confounding to me. I liked the higher fat diet, felt good on it. I'm not currently getting any exercise... Doc Friday, perhaps I'll be cleared to swim.
My cholesterol is up but normal. Over the years it's gone from 125 to about 165 now. Dh's jumped 60 points in the last 3 months. I know there's some talk of changing the cholesterol interpretation, I just hadn't looked into it. I told him to see his doctor since he's now flirting with 300.
I seem to have less pain currently... but low carb? Ya I love that, my mind is quicker, my hunger controlled, and I like animal fats. I really have no idea how I should eat.
It's such a simple question, yet I find no answer.
I think for now, I may try to split the week... IDK.
That is where carnivore is simple. Did your food come from a source that had a mother? If yes, then it is carnivore.
*Yes, I know plants reproduce by spreading seed and such from other plants. Try not to interpret the question to include this... most of us know the difference between an animal and a plant. Shrimp, fish, chickens (including eggs), hogs, cows, rabbits, goats, sheep, etc. are all animals. Trees, corn, beans, rice, wheat are not. And yes, some carnivores eat higher carb products like milk. I think that is fine depending on your goals. It may good to limit lactose in your case. And honey is a legitimate debate, I would agree it is technically carnivore, but not advised for those of us wanting to cut carbs (especially sugar).
No matter what I do, I think I need to start with eating fewer calories! haha!
Eta. Ok. I think I made a decision. Of course, Everytime I decide I second guess it. I think the truth, my truth lies in the middle somewhere.
The plan
See doc for base line numbers. I am concerned about a few, things: kidney (bad about water since no running), EKG (he said was cuz I was runner), and blood pressure is creeping up... From 110/50 - 60 to 130/75... cholesterol might could come down a bit, that may be weight.
I'm going to try an unrefined foods vegan (maybe vegetarian- eggers and fishes) through the end of the year and see how my numbers are and how I feel. It may not matter two *kitten* and I can go back to that roast in the freezer and McDonald's 3-4 days a week.. hehehe.
And I'm gonna ask every medical professional I encounter about their take. Not nutritionist though, sorry... I think they peddle government agendas bought by food lobbyists.
Until then, please share your wisdom, thoughts, stories and data you have. There's a forum for runner eats, you'll find me there. Or pm.
...yes imma eat the roast. It's grass fed. And a turkey for Thanksgiving? You bet.
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@Elise4270 for me, vegan or vegetarian wouldn’t be a good fit, since as a type 2 I already have to limit carbs, and as a weightlifter I have to get lots of protein, and as an anemic person I struggle to get enough iron. I already can’t eat bread or rice or sweets without bg spikes, and most of the easy proteins for vegans such as legumes also spike me. It wouldn’t make sense for me to eliminate lean meat and fish and dairy from my diet and would just add to the list of things I can’t eat.
On the other hand, for someone struggling with cholesterol but with fine blood sugar, vegetarianism might make a lot of sense. I’m not a big fan of the science supporting the vegan diet since any diet which doesn’t provide one of the major vitamins without supplements seems to me to be automatically not a great idea. I also don’t emotionally understand the thinking behind veganism - eat plants which are commercially fertilized by honey bees, but never eat the honey they make, for example. But that’s just me.
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October goal 110 KM (ADJUSTED DUE TO INJURY)
Upcoming races:
Oct. 26 - Botanical Autumn 5k
Oct. 27 - Lublin Half Marathon
I'm still waiting for Strava to upload my run from Suunto, but my double-race weekend has been a success.
Lublin Half Marathon: My training hasn't been what I've wanted lately, so I wasn't sure what to expect. I picked a pace group 5 minutes slower than my last HM and stuck with them for the first half, before letting them go. Legs were fine, HR was fine, but I was having trouble breathing every time I would try to speed up (or keep up, on the nonstop hill from kilometers 10-15) and would start coughing. Probably the exercise-induced asthma that I occasionally have trouble with, especially when air quality is at or above the "moderately polluted" level like it's been lately. I decided to just keep going at whatever pace I could that wouldn't trigger the coughing and breathing issues, and finished in a decent time for me. Not my best, not my worst, and I felt fine again just a few minutes after finishing. Life is good
Bling:Back of medal, and nice tech shirt
Front of medal, before
and after I spent way too much time highlighting the race route on the map, using nail polish, masking tape, a toothpick and exacto knife... yep, too much time on my hands today!
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polskagirl01 wrote: »October goal 110 KM (ADJUSTED DUE TO INJURY)
Upcoming races:
Oct. 26 - Botanical Autumn 5k
Oct. 27 - Lublin Half Marathon
I'm still waiting for Strava to upload my run from Suunto, but my double-race weekend has been a success.
Lublin Half Marathon: My training hasn't been what I've wanted lately, so I wasn't sure what to expect. I picked a pace group 5 minutes slower than my last HM and stuck with them for the first half, before letting them go. Legs were fine, HR was fine, but I was having trouble breathing every time I would try to speed up (or keep up, on the nonstop hill from kilometers 10-15) and would start coughing. Probably the exercise-induced asthma that I occasionally have trouble with, especially when air quality is at or above the "moderately polluted" level like it's been lately. I decided to just keep going at whatever pace I could that wouldn't trigger the coughing and breathing issues, and finished in a decent time for me. Not my best, not my worst, and I felt fine again just a few minutes after finishing. Life is good
Bling:Back of medal, and nice tech shirt
Front of medal, before
and after I spent way too much time highlighting the race route on the map, using nail polish, masking tape, a toothpick and exacto knife... yep, too much time on my hands today!
Great job!!!!!0 -
10/1 10.17 miles
10/2 13.38 miles, 520 days on the run
10/3 13.48 miles
10/4 15.13 miles
10/5 13.33 miles
10/6 3.4 miles
10/7 6.35 miles, 525 days on the run
10/8 13.24 miles
10/9 13.21 miles
10/10 13.43 miles
10/11 13.38 miles
10/12 15.44 miles, 530 days on the run
10/13 1.37 miles
10/14 13.51 miles
10/15 2.32 miles
10/16 4.2 miles
10/17 13.36 miles, 535 days on the run
10/18 14.32 miles
10/19 21.3 miles
10/20 1.44 miles
10/21 6.28 miles
10/22 13.31 miles, 540 days on the run
10/23 14.26 miles
10/24 13.4 miles
10/25 1.4 miles
10/26 14.46 miles
10/27 14.59 miles, 545 days on the run9 -
Nice bling and well-done @polskagirl01! Racing is always about managing expectations and adjusting based on conditions (both of your body and the environment) and sounds like you did well with that.3
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Hi all. Managed my half marathon today! It was a gorgeous sunny and v cold day and despite a terrible night’s sleep I decided to go for it. Hamstring was sore on the steeper hills (and there was one really nasty one x 2 lap course!) but I held on and made it through and somehow managed to beat my last half time. I slipped in the mud and fell 100m before the finish line as well but luckily no damage and didn’t lose too much time. Thrilled to have done it at sub 10 minute mile pace! Total time was 2:08.59.
Having surgery in early December so this will be my last race before a long break. Having only started running last December I decided to try for a half in June and my goal then was to just to finish! Doing a second one feels extra special because I have proved to myself that I can do more than I think. Hope I can remember this when I’m recovering from the surgery and trying to get fit again. (It’s a preventative double mastectomy and reconstruction so I will be laid up for a while).
10/6: 4.08m
10/10: 8.3m
10/12: 3.1m
10/14: 10.1m
10/21: 10.05m
10/25: 6.6m
10/27: 13.2m
October total: 55.3m
October goal: 64m
September total: 82.2m
August total: 85m
July total: 90.1m
June total: 86.1m
May total: 67.6m
April total: 71.5m
March total: 42.9m
February total: 30.2m
January total: 31.7m
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@polskagirl01 Awesome job! Love the medal 1
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@polskagirl01 like the medal and the top! Congrats. Jealous also of you feeling fine after your double race weekend! I’m not walking with ease this evening and slightly dreading a full day teaching tomorrow...3
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Awesome work @polska_girl and @Faebert - good racing and great bling!3
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October Goal: 220km
01/10: 10.43
04/10: 12.14
05/10: 21.31
07/10: 10.16
08/10: 8.06
09/10: 5.42
11/10: 6.83
12/10: 14.54
14/10: 6.67
15/10: 6.68
16/10: 12.06
18/10: 11.74
19/10: 23.14
21/10: 7.06
22/10: 11.73
23/10: 7.03
25/10: 11.74
26/10: 24.03
Total KM run: 210.77
It's a long weekend here which means lots of tourists and traffic! I love running past lines of cars as they're stuck in traffic and I just breeze past What isn't so great however are the hordes of recreational cyclists. I was about 20km into my run and just got to the start of a railway bridge which is about 750 metres long. Just as I got there I saw some cyclists riding toward me. I stepped to the side and they called out "you're going to be waiting a while hahahaha" and "there are so many of us coming hahahaha" The really frustrating thing is that there is room enough for a cyclist and runner to pass each other on the bridge.
Normally when I'm on that bridge and I see a cyclist riding toward me I slow down and do a kind of side step pivot and they ride as close to the side as they can and we both go on our way. Well not these guys. There must have been 40-50 of them all riding right down the centre of the bridge so I had no choice but to wait. After about 30 of them and hearing their "hahahaha" for about the 5th time at me having to wait I just ducked out onto the bridge in a short gap and ran at them - I then had to completely stop and duck behind each strut as the next lot rode past because they just wouldn't move over. I don't think it was spiteful on their part, just that they either were oblivious to common sharing practices, or because they weren't confident in riding so close to the guard rail and potentially catching their handlebars. What would have made sense in my opinion would be for them to split up into groups of 4-5 riders and space out going over the bridge, that way they wouldn't have blocked the entire bridge for about 10 minutes!
Anyway rant over!
Other than the rookie cyclists, I had a great run. The sun was shining. The wind is STILL persistent, but at least it's warming up. Today is Labour Day so I've had a leisurely breakfast and am planning on heading out for a nice and easy 8km in the park soon.
I have a half marathon race next Sunday so this week I'm doing a mini taper.
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