TheFast Diet

malliexo

Have any of you tried the fast diet? I'm interested. I have 5-10 pounds more to lose. I read about it in health magazine.

Here is a link to the book: http://www.amazon.com/The-FastDiet-Healthy-Intermittent-Fasting/dp/1476734941/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376785197&sr=8-1&keywords=The+fast+diet

ritchiedrama

It works, but I don't recommend it because it's unnecessary. It is no different than just counting your calories and being in a weekly deficit.

But it won't work if you eat too much during the 5 days, so personally I say stay away from it, its pointless.

malliexo

It works, but I don't recommend it because it's unnecessary. It is no different than just counting your calories and being in a weekly deficit.

But it won't work if you eat too much during the 5 days, so personally I say stay away from it, its pointless.

I've hit a plateau. I eat 1,200 calories on days I don't work out and 1,400 on days I do. I'm just wondering if I need a shock to my metabolism.

JessHealthKick

take some time off, listen to your body, and eat as you feel reasonable. That is what I have done and I expected to put weight on, but instead it allowed my body to learn that it has plenty of food coming its way, and not to hold onto the fat! I do that for about 3-4 weeks when I plateau, stay away from the scales until the end, and the get back to counting again. It works a charm.

I am sure many will say it's all BS but the number of people it works for, including myself, makes it quite reasonable and quite true.

1. stop logging
2. eat reasonably (don't just eat chocolate all day!) remember to shop on the outside aisles only i.e. only fresh veggies, fruit, meat and nuts.
3. keep doing exercise etc as you normally would, but always be switching up routines
4. give it 4 weeks for things to reset
5. start counting again!

good luck 1200 calories is so low - I lose eating 1600 these days! (I used to be a bit 1200cal fan but it's just undereating, unless you eat perfectly you can't possibly get the nutrients your body needs)

p.s. feel free to add if you're a fellow food lover

stefjc

It is just a different way of getting to a calorie deficit. It just has a different restriction pattern, that's all. It is easier for some and sound ridiculous to others, as do most diets

Also, you have so little to lose now, any way you choose will be more difficult than it might have been before.

You can't really shock your metabolism, what you can do is ring the changes, this may have a physiological result or it may just change how you think about it, give you more motivation, etc. You can do that with a change in diet and/or exercise. But how you do that won't really matter, as long as it is sensible and 'doable' for you.

You may have to lose that last little bit more slowly. However you choose to do it, good luck.

sijomial

Loads of people on here are following the 5:2 routine
Check out these groups:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/7953-5-2-fasting
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/8576-5-2-diet

You will get much more informed comment there rather than the main forums where people are scared of things they don't understand and haven't tried.

Personally....... I love it.

Helenca76

Loads of people on here are following the 5:2 routine
Check out these groups:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/7953-5-2-fasting
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/8576-5-2-diet

You will get much more informed comment there rather than the main forums where people are scared of things they don't understand and haven't tried.

Personally....... I love it.

You're right, people on the main forum are a little more critical when discussing the 5:2 diet.

For me it's the only way of dieting that has worked and I have shifted 12lbs over 12 weeks with ease (and I had a 4 week holiday during the last 12 weeks so really that's 12lbs over 6 weeks) and I enjoy fasting and feeling less bloated and my skin is clearer.
Try it, nothing to lose other than the weight and if it's not for you, at least you've given it a go.

ritchiedrama

lmao at these people..

stefjc

*Bites tongue. Moves on*

MsPudding

lmao at these people..

lmao at ridiculous selfie. See, we can all do it

SJVZEE

I did a variation of the 5:2 plan, called alternate day IF and had great success with it. There's 5:2 groups here on mfp or elsewhere online, if you do some googling

ritchiedrama

lmao at these people..

lmao at ridiculous selfie. See, we can all do it

Irrelevant

Look, there is no need for anyone, ever, to do a 5:2 diet.

That is the bottom line, it holds NO advantage over just a normal caloric deficit for fat loss. If you think otherwise then I'm sorry there is something wrong with you. (this was aimed at everyone, no individual)

stefjc

It never crosses your mind you may be in error, does it Richie?

Your last statement is wrong on very many levels. Others, beside myself, have tried to discuss this with you, to no avail. You continue to be rude, self assured but wrong!

ritchiedrama

It never crosses your mind you may be in error, does it Richie?

Your last statement is wrong on very many levels. Others, beside myself, have tried to discuss this with you, to no avail. You continue to be rude, self assured but wrong!

My last statement is not wrong, there is no evidence to suggest that a 5:2 diet holds any fat loss advantages (it does not, that is why).

Over a week, total caloric intake is what creates fat loss, not a 5:2 diet.

stefjc

Yes, Richie. As usual I took care to read what you said. I believe what you say EXCEPT that 5:2 is useless.

It is one way to achieve calorie deficit and achieve fat loss. Just one. One of many.

That it is one you personally choose to disregard does not make it useless.

I would point you toward some of the research studies, but last time that happened you lambasted me for reading old studies and believing in fairies, or some such nonsense I had never posted any opinion on.

You are posting an opinion. You are posting it in such a manner that you are being rude. All that is required is that you try to be less opinionated and a little more educated.

MsPudding

Irrelevant

Look, there is no need for anyone, ever, to do a 5:2 diet.

That is the bottom line, it holds NO advantage over just a normal caloric deficit for fat loss. If you think otherwise then I'm sorry there is something wrong with you. (this was aimed at everyone, no individual)

5:2 doesn't claim to have an advantage in the amount of weight loss or speed of weight loss over any calorie deficient method so you're actually arguing a non-point.

5:2 is simply a form of IF and is done for the health benefits (which are, as yet, not conclusively proven but have some good human and animal studies) and the weight loss part of it is simply a side effect of eating at extreme deficit for 2 days a week and eating at maintenance the rest of it.

Of course you're perfectly entitled to believe that it's hooey, however I'd question why you feel the need to come and ridicule people who have had, and are having, success doing it. What's in it for you? Is it some type of self-validation method that, in order to make yourself feel good about your fitness/weight loss methods, you need to belittle others?

ritchiedrama

Yes, Richie. As usual I took care to read what you said. I believe what you say EXCEPT that 5:2 is useless.

It is one way to achieve calorie deficit and achieve fat loss. Just one. One of many.

That it is one you personally choose to disregard does not make it useless.

I would point you toward some of the research studies, but last time that happened you lambasted me for reading old studies and believing in fairies, or some such nonsense I had never posted any opinion on.

You are posting an opinion. You are posting it in such a manner that you are being rude. All that is required is that you try to be less opinionated and a little more educated.

Lets put this out in clear terms.

I stated 5:2 works. Yes.

I stated it is unnecessary. Yes.



Why is it unnecessary? It is unnecessary because you can just eat the correct amount of calories each day, to achieve the same effect, rather than eating 600 calories for 2 days each, which no human should have to endure because it is RIDICULOUS.

Is there a fat loss advantage doing 5:2 over a normal caloric deficit: no.


My question to you is: why bother?

5:2 is ridiculous why? Why set yourself up like this for the entirety of your life? Why not create a better relationship with food and learn to control yourself and eat the correct amount of food rather than looking for stupid things to follow.
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My job here is done.

ritchiedrama

Irrelevant

Look, there is no need for anyone, ever, to do a 5:2 diet.

That is the bottom line, it holds NO advantage over just a normal caloric deficit for fat loss. If you think otherwise then I'm sorry there is something wrong with you. (this was aimed at everyone, no individual)

5:2 doesn't claim to have an advantage in the amount of weight loss or speed of weight loss over any calorie deficient method so you're actually arguing a non-point.

5:2 is simply a form of IF and is done for the health benefits (which are, as yet, not conclusively proven but have some good human and animal studies) and the weight loss part of it is simply a side effect of eating at extreme deficit for 2 days a week and eating at maintenance the rest of it.

Of course you're perfectly entitled to believe that it's hooey, however I'd question why you feel the need to come and ridicule people who have had, and are having, success doing it. What's in it for you? Is it some type of self-validation method that, in order to make yourself feel good about your fitness/weight loss methods, you need to belittle others?

I kept stating, 5:2 has no advantages for FAT LOSS. I don't care about health issues, I do normal IF, I know about "health issues"

The OP and many others do this for FAT LOSS and have no ideas about the health benefits for a start. I don't try and betlittle others, I try and make people create a better relationship with food.

stefjc

Yes Richie. Telling someone that if they disagree with you there must be something wrong with them (what was it, oh yes, aimed at everyone....) - not in anyway belittling.

And I am just one poster who does know about the other health benefits, as do other posters who have taken you to task for your poor attitude before.

Just to be certain you understand - you do not have a job here. Like it or not you are just another of the great unwashed, posting opinions.

I have posted before that I think it is a pity you deride education. You obviously have the time and intellect to do a lot of research. It is just a pity you have never gained the ability to check the validity or reliability of what you read. Or to phrase yourself in a slightly less obnoxious manner, and therefore gaining more respect.

ritchiedrama

Yes Richie. Telling someone that if they disagree with you there must be something wrong with them (what was it, oh yes, aimed at everyone....) - not in anyway belittling.

And I am just one poster who does know about the other health benefits, as do other posters who have taken you to task for your poor attitude before.

Just to be certain you understand - you do not have a job here. Like it or not you are just another of the great unwashed, posting opinions.

I have posted before that I think it is a pity you deride education. You obviously have the time and intellect to do a lot of research. It is just a pity you have never gained the ability to check the validity or reliability of what you read. Or to phrase yourself in a slightly less obnoxious manner, and therefore gaining more respect.

I like how you disagree with me, but don't even attempt to give any reasoning as to why, you just tell me I have a poor attitude. My attitude is irrelevant.

MsPudding

I kept stating, 5:2 has no advantages for FAT LOSS.

...and it doesn't claim to, so why are you trumpeting about it?

I don't care about health issues, I do normal IF, I know about "health issues"

There is no 'normal IF' - there are many types of intermittent fasting. And of course you don't care about health issues, you're young and probably don't contemplate your own mortality that often...but as you get older and staring at yourself in a mirror starts to bore you, then health issues may start to interest you more. Getting closer to old age tends to do that.

The OP and many others do this for FAT LOSS and have no ideas about the health benefits for a start. I don't try and betlittle others, I try and make people create a better relationship with food.

1. "lmao at these people" and "I'm sorry there's something wrong with you" is 100% ridicule
2. Ever thought that, perhaps, your attempts to 'make people create a better relationship with food' don't delight others as much as they're obviously delighting yourself?

ritchiedrama

I kept stating, 5:2 has no advantages for FAT LOSS.

...and it doesn't claim to, so why are you trumpeting about it?

I don't care about health issues, I do normal IF, I know about "health issues"

There is no 'normal IF' - there are many types of intermittent fasting. And of course you don't care about health issues, you're young and probably don't contemplate your own mortality that often...but as you get older and staring at yourself in a mirror starts to bore you, then health issues may start to interest you more. Getting closer to old age tends to do that.

The OP and many others do this for FAT LOSS and have no ideas about the health benefits for a start. I don't try and betlittle others, I try and make people create a better relationship with food.

1. "lmao at these people" and "I'm sorry there's something wrong with you" is 100% ridicule
2. Ever thought that, perhaps, your attempts to 'make people create a better relationship with food' don't delight others as much as they're obviously delighting yourself?

Because people are attempting 5:2 for fat loss. Just like the OP said in her post about her plateau.

Normal IF would be 16:8. That is the IF people SHOULD be doing, if any. I care about my health, sure, but these same people that care about their health are over weight, so logic is flawed.

Your third point is just pointl(less). So i'll ignore that one.

stefjc

Oh, and you really do need to read up on psychology and it effects on behaviour.

The Health Behaviour Model, the Transactional Model and many others would help explain how a belief in something makes it more effective - like a placebo. Also how intermittent restriction - the basis of ALL IF diets - is less onerous for some.

5:2 is just another of them. Eating windows are fine for some, big restrictions on 2 days a week are fine for others. Physiologically the result is the same. Psychologically the results are different. Hence no one diet fits all - that old chestnut!

And before you light into that, try thinking about it. You can restate your opinion. It is, as has been pointed out here, based on your not understanding something, or providing a fallacious argument that only you have made. You may be utterly sincere. But it is still just your opinion - and that opinion is not very well informed, nor is it likely to be whilst you continue to shout at people who don't agree with you!

pinkraynedropjacki

I have been doing 4:3 (a version of 5:2) for 3 weeks now. Tomorrow is my 8th fasting day. I have been going with 0calories those days & feel great. I only had 5kg I wanted to lose & I'm already half way (not much I know but the closer I get the harder it is to shift) but I have been losing size.

ritchiedrama

Oh, and you really do need to read up on psychology and it effects on behaviour.

The Health Behaviour Model, the Transactional Model and many others would help explain how a belief in something makes it more effective - like a placebo. Also how intermittent restriction - the basis of ALL IF diets - is less onerous for some.

5:2 is just another of them. Eating windows are fine for some, big restrictions on 2 days a week are fine for others. Physiologically the result is the same. Psychologically the results are different. Hence no one diet fits all - that old chestnut!

And before you light into that, try thinking about it. You can restate your opinion. It is, as has been pointed out here, based on your not understanding something, or providing a fallacious argument that only you have made. You may be utterly sincere. But it is still just your opinion - and that opinion is not very well informed, nor is it likely to be whilst you continue to shout at people who don't agree with you!

Eating 600 calories for 2 days a week is not beneficial to anyone, it is plain insanity.

There is a certain type of people who believe otherwise, but I won't get into that, but its funny how the really in shape people (even ones like myself who were heavily overweight) have never, and will never do these things and we _all_ disagree with it.

But hey what do I know, I guess I fell out of a tree and lost 65 lbs.

stefjc

I like how you disagree with me, but don't even attempt to give any reasoning as to why, you just tell me I have a poor attitude. My attitude is irrelevant.

Erm.... I think I did try to explain, and said here why I won't be doing it again. It is a pointless task as you don't read or listen. In fact you deride any science you haven't read - or consider to be too old. Which made me smile for so very many reasons. You also assigned to me a short list of misconceptions, none of which I had ever posted about. So you see, Richie, we have been there before and you were rude then too!

And for someone who claims to want to help people and to have real life clients attitude really does matter.

pinkraynedropjacki

Yes, Richie. As usual I took care to read what you said. I believe what you say EXCEPT that 5:2 is useless.

It is one way to achieve calorie deficit and achieve fat loss. Just one. One of many.

That it is one you personally choose to disregard does not make it useless.

I would point you toward some of the research studies, but last time that happened you lambasted me for reading old studies and believing in fairies, or some such nonsense I had never posted any opinion on.

You are posting an opinion. You are posting it in such a manner that you are being rude. All that is required is that you try to be less opinionated and a little more educated.

Lets put this out in clear terms.

I stated 5:2 works. Yes.

I stated it is unnecessary. Yes.



Why is it unnecessary? It is unnecessary because you can just eat the correct amount of calories each day, to achieve the same effect, rather than eating 600 calories for 2 days each, which no human should have to endure because it is RIDICULOUS.

Is there a fat loss advantage doing 5:2 over a normal caloric deficit: no.


My question to you is: why bother?

5:2 is ridiculous why? Why set yourself up like this for the entirety of your life? Why not create a better relationship with food and learn to control yourself and eat the correct amount of food rather than looking for stupid things to follow.
;
My job here is done.

You really have no clue do you? Do you not think that people on 5:2 know self control on their normal days? IS that why I'm currently 13000 calories UNDER net this week alone? Yeah cause I must not be able to control myself right?

If you knew anything about it (and clearly you do not) then you would know that it not only makes you want to eat less on your normal TDEE days, but you learn to eat only when HUNGRY & not when you are told you should eat or when you think you are hungry. You learn what hunger feels like & then use that to sustain yourself.


Go back to your weights & 16:8....... oh wait.... that's the one where you pig out for 8 hours. Self control...hows that working for ya?

ritchiedrama

I like how you disagree with me, but don't even attempt to give any reasoning as to why, you just tell me I have a poor attitude. My attitude is irrelevant.

Erm.... I think I did try to explain, and said here why I won't be doing it again. It is a pointless task as you don't read or listen. In fact you deride any science you haven't read - or consider to be too old. Which made me smile for so very many reasons. You also assigned to me a short list of misconceptions, none of which I had ever posted about. So you see, Richie, we have been there before and you were rude then too!

And for someone who claims to want to help people and to have real life clients attitude really does matter.

I watched the entire documentary Michael Mosley did, twice. You perceive me as rude, but you don't actually make any sense.

Now, answer this for me, if you will:

If I eat 15,000 calories over 7 days - 2142 calories a day for 7 days.

or

If I eat 15,000 calories over 5 days - 3000 calories for 5 days. (but do 5:2) so remove 1200 of those calories so i eat 600 twice a week.


Would fat loss be the same (providing that is the calories of a deficit)?

Ophidion

I have 5-10 pounds more to lose.

I don't think Ritchie was incorrect in the sense the OP was stating that their goal was weight loss, and science would dictate that a calorie deficit would be the ultimate reason for losing weight. Be it through IF or not, calorie deficit is the reason for a loss.

OP what ever works for you and try to think sustainable.

pinkraynedropjacki

As for the OP


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Aj6hRYg4A



Watch this. Explains it better & don't listen to Ritchie. He's a 24yo who has 'clients' even though he has no qualifications in anything (apart from playing games) and thinks that people like Doctors, Professors & real teachers with real qualifications know less than him.

stefjc

Eating 600 calories for 2 days a week is not beneficial to anyone, it is plain insanity.

Again, your opinion. Where is your evidence?

There is a certain type of people who believe otherwise, but I won't get into that, but its funny how the really in shape people (even ones like myself who were heavily overweight) have never, and will never do these things and we _all_ disagree with it.

Ignoring the appalling grammar. You don't know me or many other posters here. So how do you know you all disagree with 'it'?

You are being silly, provocative but silly.

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