TheFast Diet
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You'd lose weight on 16:8 if you were calorie deficient over the course of a week; just like you'd lose weight on 5:2, ADF, 18:6 or any other of the many, many IF variations. What you're doing isn't special and what 5:2 people are doing isn't special. It's simply which variation fits people's lifestyle the best and is therefore easiest to sustain. So you coming here to tell these people that them doing 5:2 is completely un-necessary and stupid whilst you are doing 16:8 fasting yourself has Olympus style amounts of irony.
Ok, so I need to say it again?
This topic is about fat loss, she thinks doing 5:2 will increase fat loss.
Whilst I agree, what I do isn't special, and there are other "variations" - eating 1,200 calories over 2 days is stupid, why would any one human WANT to keep that up for their entire life time? It makes no sense.0 -
Well that's good as I don't only eat 1,200 over 48 hours. Your maths are off matey.ROFL at person who thinks zero calorie fasting for 16 hours a day is wonderful and restricting to 600 a day twice a week is pointless and ridiculous. :laugh:
I've nothing against Leangains, perfectly valid choice, but to champion one form of IF over another makes zero sense.
Both methods work just like both methods suit different people.
I said several times neither lead to any form of accelerated fat loss. That is what the topic is about. No human should be eating 1,200 calories over 48 hours.
Good day!
Over 48 hours I would be eating about 3,000 calories depending on exercise.
The fact you eat back exercise calories speaks volumes too, to me at least.
The fact of the matter is, basic 5:2 setup, eat throughout the week, then eat 600 calories on two days of the week. So whatever you want dude.0 -
Oh dear! Richie, you are in a very dangerous place. Please do NOT train people without insurance and public liability - which you won't get easily without a certificate.
PLEASE do not dismiss the idea of this.
And Ophidion, there is lots of IF science. Richie has given none of it credence, as he states he prefers his own experience and considers it to be science!!!
There are many links to IF science on one of the 5:2 groups and a quick google for 'endocrinology and fasting' will get you thousands of hits on gold standard research, human and animal rather than magazine/blog style mash ups.
There do seem to be some additional health benefits to the intermittent fasting that a level/consistent calorie restriction do not confer. Only Richie has got hung up on fat loss.
I already do train people, with 100% success rate thus far. Everyone I have trained knows I am not 'qualified'.
Why am I hung up on fat loss? The OP was talking about losing 5-10 lbs. Are you blind?0 -
Good luck in whatever you choose to do jobwise, Richie (if I remember right you are resting between jobs?).
Is he? Fantastic! I need a little man to come do those tedious, menial gardening jobs. £10ph Ritchie if you're interested - I'll even promise to swap out the chocolate digestives for rice cakes....can't say fairer than that. :happy:0 -
Good luck in whatever you choose to do jobwise, Richie (if I remember right you are resting between jobs?).
Is he? Fantastic! I need a little man to come do those tedious, menial gardening jobs. £10ph Ritchie if you're interested - I'll even promise to swap out the chocolate digestives for rice cakes....can't say fairer than that. :happy:
I'd rather have the chocolate digestives if I'm honest - but it's alright, comment on my attitude then have one like yours it's amusing
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Ok will check it out (learning is fun) thanks, I have no dog in this fight as it were I just thought the OP was talking about weight loss is all.And Ophidion, there is lots of IF science. Richie has given none of it credence, as he states he prefers his own experience and considers it to be science!!!
There are many links to IF science on one of the 5:2 groups and a quick google for 'endocrinology and fasting' will get you thousands of hits on gold standard research, human and animal rather than magazine/blog style mash ups.
There do seem to be some additional health benefits to the intermittent fasting that a level/consistent calorie restriction do not confer. Only Richie has got hung up on fat loss.
I will just finish with OP do what works and is sustainable for YOU.(Don't want the OP to be lost in this mish mash of disagreements)0 -
One day you might learn the difference between "opinion" and "opinionated".
Well that's good as I don't only eat 1,200 over 48 hours. Your maths are off matey.ROFL at person who thinks zero calorie fasting for 16 hours a day is wonderful and restricting to 600 a day twice a week is pointless and ridiculous. :laugh:
I've nothing against Leangains, perfectly valid choice, but to champion one form of IF over another makes zero sense.
Both methods work just like both methods suit different people.
I said several times neither lead to any form of accelerated fat loss. That is what the topic is about. No human should be eating 1,200 calories over 48 hours.
Good day!
Over 48 hours I would be eating about 3,000 calories depending on exercise.
The fact you eat back exercise calories speaks volumes too, to me at least.
The fact of the matter is, basic 5:2 setup, eat throughout the week, then eat 600 calories on two days of the week. So whatever you want dude.0 -
HELLO!
May I just correct you there. Go back to the first page and you will see that RICHIE first mentioned fat loss. The OP did not! The rest of us responded to his post! His misunderstanding / misrepresentation!
He made a sweeping statement and a tenuous connection - towards the bottom of the first page. OP did not mention fat loss at all! Richie just posted his opinion based on nothing much.
Maybe that is why some, including me, get irritated with him. He leaps to conclusions that science, or a quick re-read, will not back up!0 -
HELLO!
May I just correct you there. Go back to the first page and you will see that RICHIE first mentioned fat loss. The OP did not! The rest of us responded to his post! His misunderstanding / misrepresentation!
He made a sweeping statement and a tenuous connection - towards the bottom of the first page. OP did not mention fat loss at all! Richie just posted his opinion based on nothing much.
Maybe that is why some, including me, get irritated with him. He leaps to conclusions that science, or a quick re-read, will not back up!
From the OP: "Have any of you tried the fast diet? I'm interested. I have 5-10 pounds more to lose"
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Yes I imagine the OP wants to lose the weight in fat as opposed to LBM.HELLO!
May I just correct you there. Go back to the first page and you will see that RICHIE first mentioned fat loss. The OP did not! The rest of us responded to his post! His misunderstanding / misrepresentation!
He made a sweeping statement and a tenuous connection - towards the bottom of the first page. OP did not mention fat loss at all! Richie just posted his opinion based on nothing much.
Maybe that is why some, including me, get irritated with him. He leaps to conclusions that science, or a quick re-read, will not back up!
From the OP: "Have any of you tried the fast diet? I'm interested. I have 5-10 pounds more to lose"
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I'd rather have the chocolate digestives if I'm honest - but it's alright, comment on my attitude then have one like yours it's amusing)
I'm a middle-aged, middle-classed woman who can be condescending to people at times and a bit a *kitten* at others. What I don't do however, is parachute into threads to laugh at people because they're doing a different brand of fasting to myself.
Now tell me, why don't you have job?0 -
I'd rather have the chocolate digestives if I'm honest - but it's alright, comment on my attitude then have one like yours it's amusing)
I'm a middle-aged, middle-classed woman who can be condescending to people at times and a bit a *kitten* at others. What I don't do however, is parachute into threads to laugh at people because they're doing a different brand of fasting to myself.
Now tell me, why don't you have job?
I don't need to work, so I choose not to - what does it matter to you?
I stop people providing misinformation, whether I laugh or not is also, irrelevant. I did not tell anyone to 'fast' regardless.0 -
I shudder at anything related to losing weight and the word "fast"0
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I shudder at anything related to losing weight and the word "fast"
Pretty much this.0 -
Yes I imagine the OP wants to lose the weight in fat as opposed to LBM.
But fat loss is not the correct term, it is another of those 'bro science' things.
Adipose tissue and fat, as most people understand them are not the same thing. There are some types of fat you really do not want to lose! Brown fat is one example.
Subcutaneous fat is also not the demon we sued to believe it is. It is visceral fat that is the bad guy. And IF is shown to target visceral fat in quite a few proper studies (animal more than human). Fat reduction as a goal is good, but there other considerations. Sometimes focussing on one aspect misses the point.
And I will admit that my irritation with the opinionated blatherings of young Richie has made me less than specific than I should have been.0 -
Yes I imagine the OP wants to lose the weight in fat as opposed to LBM.
But fat loss is not the correct term, it is another of those 'bro science' things.
Adipose tissue and fat, as most people understand them are not the same thing. There are some types of fat you really do not want to lose! Brown fat is one example.
Subcutaneous fat is also not the demon we sued to believe it is. It is visceral fat that is the bad guy. And IF is shown to target visceral fat in quite a few proper studies (animal more than human). Fat reduction as a goal is good, but there other considerations. Sometimes focussing on one aspect misses the point.
And I will admit that my irritation with the opinionated blatherings of young Richie has made me less than specific than I should have been.
My absolute god.. I have nothing left to say.0 -
Why Richie. Do you not understand why I make finer distinctions?
Put your research skills to use and you will find plenty of real science, recent stuff too, that looks at distribution and types of fat as health indicators.
We really are NOT all the same!0 -
Why Richie. Do you not understand why I make finer distinctions?
Put your research skills to use and you will find plenty of real science, recent stuff too, that looks at distribution and types of fat as health indicators.
We really are NOT all the same!
We are the same. I also know all about visceral fat, but you've taken OP out of context, again - she wants to lose 5-10 lbs, obviously to look better on the outside.
Fasting via 5:2 will NOT change this, caloric intake will.0 -
We are the same.
You can repeat that as often as you like. Repetition will not make it true.
And as many people have stated before 5:2, as other IF diets, all reduce calorie intake. That you personally do not like it is utterly irrelevant. Other people do like it and have good results from it, and your opinionated posting are not made any the more true by your tenacity.
I may be gone a while, my bread is due out of the oven and a duck is due to go in!0 -
Well I'm always interested in why someone in the spring of their years chooses not to work because the answer is often all too depressingly familiar. Unless you're a trust fund baby, then 'choosing' not to work at your age-range in the UK earns you a label of 'NEET' and comes down to you relying on the overly generous benefits system ; which unfortunately I'm made to contribute to at eye-watering levels. If you're not in the UK then I you're somebody else's problem of course.I don't need to work, so I choose not to - what does it matter to you?
Now you see what you're doing there is confusing 'fact' and 'opinion'. It's your opinion that 5:2 is a waste of time but there's plenty of people who do it successfully so their experience makes your attempt at stopping 'people providing misinformation' look a wee bit redundant.I stop people providing misinformation, whether I laugh or not is also, irrelevant. I did not tell anyone to 'fast' regardless.0 -
We are the same.
You can repeat that as often as you like. Repetition will not make it true.
And as many people have stated before 5:2, as other IF diets, all reduce calorie intake. That you personally do not like it is utterly irrelevant. Other people do like it and have good results from it, and your opinionated posting are not made any the more true by your tenacity.
I may be gone a while, my bread is due out of the oven and a duck is due to go in!
It is true, though.0 -
Well I'm always interested in why someone in the spring of their years chooses not to work because and answer is often all too depressingly familiar. Unless you're a trust fund baby, then 'choosing' not to work at your age-range in the UK earns you a label of 'NEET' and comes down to you relying on the overly generous benefits system ; which unfortunately I'm made to contribute to at eye-watering levels. If you're not in the UK then I you're somebody else's problem of course.I don't need to work, so I choose not to - what does it matter to you?
Now you see what you're doing there is confusing 'fact' and 'opinion'. It's your opinion that 5:2 is a waste of time but there's plenty of people who do it successfully so their experience makes your attempt at stopping 'people providing misinformation' look a wee bit redundant.I stop people providing misinformation, whether I laugh or not is also, irrelevant. I did not tell anyone to 'fast' regardless.
I don't work because I don't want to. I don't need to. I don't claim benefits, I never have, never will. (even if I did, it wouldn't be any of your business).
Fasting 5:2 eating 15k calories, and eating 15k calories normally.
Fact. Will not effect fat loss.0 -
It works, but I don't recommend it because it's unnecessary. It is no different than just counting your calories and being in a weekly deficit.
But it won't work if you eat too much during the 5 days, so personally I say stay away from it, its pointless.
I've hit a plateau. I eat 1,200 calories on days I don't work out and 1,400 on days I do. I'm just wondering if I need a shock to my metabolism.
It works and I just broke a month long plateau by adding a 3rd "fast" day and getting into ketosis. Aside from weight loss there is a TON of evidence based research on the health benefits of intermittent fasting.0 -
OP, do your research and ignore the people who can't be bothered to educate themselves. Do what you want, it's your body.
Personally, I HAVE done the research, am satisfied it's a safe way of eating with advantages above and beyond weight loss. It works for me, is sustainable and I've seen great results.
5:2 works for me. I've lost 19 pounds in 8 weeks, 15 of which were from fat. Considering I have a back injury so am unable to lift weights, possibly ever again, I'm over the moon to have lost such a low %age of muscle. No other way of eating has been sustainable for me. No other way of eating has given me similar results. It's given me my life back.
There are those who will tell you that their way is the only way. That's total BS. Do your research then do what YOU want.
I'm so sick of this crap. I know I can't force anyone to educate themselves, but this is getting stupid.0 -
OP, do your research and ignore the people who can't be bothered to educate themselves. Do what you want, it's your body.
Personally, I HAVE done the research, am satisfied it's a safe way of eating with advantages above and beyond weight loss. It works for me, is sustainable and I've seen great results.
5:2 works for me. I've lost 19 pounds in 8 weeks, 15 of which were from fat. Considering I have a back injury so am unable to lift weights, possibly ever again, I'm over the moon to have lost such a low %age of muscle. No other way of eating has been sustainable for me. No other way of eating has given me similar results. It's given me my life back.
There are those who will tell you that their way is the only way. That's total BS. Do your research then do what YOU want.
I'm so sick of this crap. I know I can't force anyone to educate themselves, but this is getting stupid.
Do you know why it works for you?
Ah yeah, thats because you're creating a caloric deficit.0 -
Yes I imagine the OP wants to lose the weight in fat as opposed to LBM.
But fat loss is not the correct term, it is another of those 'bro science' things.
Adipose tissue and fat, as most people understand them are not the same thing. There are some types of fat you really do not want to lose! Brown fat is one example.
Subcutaneous fat is also not the demon we sued to believe it is. It is visceral fat that is the bad guy. And IF is shown to target visceral fat in quite a few proper studies (animal more than human). Fat reduction as a goal is good, but there other considerations. Sometimes focussing on one aspect misses the point.
And I will admit that my irritation with the opinionated blatherings of young Richie has made me less than specific than I should have been.
I would be interested in the links to this research. Reason being, there is a lot of evidence that says fasting has been shown to reverse type 2 diabetes0 -
I do 5:2 and 4:3. It is only as unnecessary and pointless as any other diet would be. It is spreading the deficit to 2 or 3 days instead of 7. It is for people who don't want to feel they are constantly on a diet.
It is a personal preference. That is all.
I've lost 17.5 lb in 13 weeks. Not miraculous weight loss, just a steady and healthy rate that suits my lifestyle.
If anyone wants buddies doing that way of eating without negative preconceptions, feel free to add me.0 -
Doesn't work for me. When a plan tells me I can eat as much as I feel like without gaining weight if I only eat between such and so hours or on such and so days I seem to take it as a challenge. :sad:0
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I must admit to being of the belief that the publicity on the diet is misleading. Not necessarily by the authors but by people who write about it.
One girl I know is 5ft 2 and was eating over 2000 calories on her normal days and wondered why she wasn't losing. When I explained 2000 calories is for the "average" sized woman (I am vertically challenged myself) she got quite stroppy with me.
You have to be realistic about your intake when you are not fasting. You can't eat all the pies and all the chocolate washed down with Pinot Grigio. It is still a diet, and it takes discipline, and if you are smaller than average you have to eat less than 2000 cals on non fast days.0 -
I would be interested in the links to this research. Reason being, there is a lot of evidence that says fasting has been shown to reverse type 2 diabetes
the Group 5:2 has a thread with just links to research. There is a diabetes thread in there too I think. We did discuss it with others at various stages of fasting with diabetes.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/7953-5-2-fasting0
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