January 2020 Monthly Running Challenge
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It is not a fail @Scott6255 as you listened to your body and stopped when you should. They guys here gave me some great advice about listening to my body and taking the time to heal. It has been difficult to be so far off plan however I feel if I hadn't listen to that advice I would be far worse off right now. You did the right thing and that can never be a fail
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@Scott6255 I'm so sorry to hear about your achilles pain in both legs. I am sure that is completely frustrating and depressing on top of the pain. But I agree not to give up - hope you can seek some help from a PT expert.
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
01/01/20 :::: 4.3 :::: 4.3
01/02/20 :::: 4.9 :::: 9.2
01/03/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 11.3
01/04/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 14.5
01/05/20 :::: 7.0 :::: 21.5
01/06/20 :::: 3.8 :::: 25.2
01/07/20 :::: 1.3 :::: 26.5
01/08/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 28.5
Another kind of short treadmill run today before strength training and yoga. Trying to keep with my goals of scheduling my exercise and sticking to it for stress management - it's really being tested right now.
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Very slow 5k on the Shelby Farms greenway. Just a perfect running day but lack of sleep is starting to take a toll on me. This is the time of year when I have to negotiate the craziness that is my doctor’s office to get approval for my meds. “I can give you a 30 day emergency supply but only if you have an appointment on the books...” “They won’t give me an appointment, you are booked up past 30 days and your software won’t allow them to make appointments past that.” “Well call at 7:30 am first thing when we open and get the first appointment for the next available day.” “I’ve been doing that for two months now.” So, finally, after 57 days of trying, I was one of the lucky ones to get through and I have an appointment, so my regular doctor who has had me as a patient multiple years is willing to begrudgingly give me a tiny temporary supply of the medicine I am going to need for the rest of my life. You’d think I was trying to get schedule 1 drugs instead of metformin and thyroid meds. Not sure what the fix for our healthcare system would look like, but this ain’t it. Getting another doctor is not an option - trying to get an opening for a new patient is much harder than trying to get a simple appointment!
Anyway. I wore my new shoes for the second time, and they seemed better, despite my legs being tired from lifting the day before, no weird pains in my knee stabilizer muscles like I had last time so far. Looking hopeful.
The beautiful weather brought the New Year’s resolutioners out in force - easy to spot hefty people working too hard wearing all brand new slightly inappropriate gear. It was a whole thing, so much so that several of the regular runners who I have seen for years without ever really exchanging more than a nod were passing us with raised eyebrows and side glances like, “Pretty wild, huh?” Every time I pass a resolutioner I have two contradictory impulses: I want to cheer them on, and also thank goodness that’s not me anymore! Hopefully some of them will learn to slow down and stay the course!10 -
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Walk/run intervals at 2.5/2.5 minutes 6 times tonight landed me at 2.58 miles. Hamstring still has some tightness but not pain. However it was getting a little tender near the inner joint where it meets the pelvis on my last lap. I’ll keep an eye on the situation and determine if the rehab plan needs tweaking8
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Epic fail. Now Achilles in both legs hurt. Had to stop 2 miles into my run and walk 3 miles home. Right now I'm thinking of just quitting this sport.
I know exactly how you feel. My Achilles have been acting up since November - getting a little better, getting a little worse. On Monday I went for a run and was in pain the whole way. I was so frustrated that I felt like crying when I got home - running used to be a joy and a release and now it was winding me up. I was getting slower and slower and it was harder and harder.
I have been seeing a physio (and doing my exercises like a good girl) and having regular massages but it wasn't curing the problem.
After the disaster that was Monday, I woke on Tuesday went for another massage, bought a new pair of shoes (my regular running shoes are all fairly new but I also have three pairs of the exact same shoe so wondered whether something different would help). My new ones are designed for long-distance training runs - nice and cushiony and shaped to help you roll off the toe. I also read a blog post by 'The Balanced Runner' on Achilles tendonopathy/tendonitis. She was saying that often, when our Achilles hurt, we become tentative in our running, moving our weight back, and inadvertently making our overstressed tendon work even harder and further exacerbating the problem. She says to ensure your weight is forward - hips over feet - so that the Achilles work as they're designed to. And make sure you relax your feet when they're in the air.
Long story short, I'm not sure which of the three things above made the difference - maybe one, maybe all three - but yesterday's run was faster and only a 1 or 2 on the discomfort scale. Today's run? I didn't even feel my Achilles until kilometre nine! Then, when they did alert me that they were a little unhappy, I moved my hips forward just a few millimetres and relaxed my gait as best I could, making sure I rolled off my feet as they're designed to, and the pain quickly vanished.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't despair. You'll get through this. Do what you need to to recover - get some input from a professional, take a look at your shoes, try to get to the bottom of the problem and work to get yourself back on top.
Chin up, and good luck.10 -
Jan 1 2.5 kms (treadmill)
Jan 2 2.5 kms (treadmill)
Jan 4 2.5 kms (jogged fully instead of walking in between, so yay. And not treadmill)
Jan 5 2.7 kms on the treadmill.
Jan 6 3 kms on the treadmill.
Jan 7 3 kms (treadmill)
Jan 8 3.7 kms road - jogging with a bit of walking, still super happy as overall speed has improved a bit 😊
Jan 9 3kms on treadmill. But my time has improved ever so slightly.6 -
@LoveyChar, @shanaber, @PastorVincent, @rheddmobile, @TheMrWobbly, @katharmonic, @emmamcgarity, @ContraryMaryMary (and anyone else I missed):
Thank you SO MUCH for the suggestions, hugs, and words of encouragement. I was pretty emotional last night, and I MAY have been a little over dramatic when saying I should quit running all together. It's kinda like at work, when you get an email from someone that is so wrong or stupid, and instead of firing one right back and saying something stupid (or regrettable) back, you take a beat and collect your thoughts, then later you calmly and smartly send a more intelligent and professional reply. Ok, maybe that's just me.
But I have been running for almost 8 years now, and I have never gone more than about 6 months without some kind of leg injury (or at the least mild pain). It will shift from shins (both posterior and anterior), to ankle, to Achilles, to plantar fasciitis, to knee. And it goes from one leg to the other. Seems as one is healed, just a few weeks later something else will start up.
I foam roll every day. Do strength work most days. Do a minimum of 15 minutes of dynamic warm up before a run, and 10 minutes of stretching after. Read, listen, and watch running related books, podcasts, videos about form, training, nutrition, mindset for an unhealthy amount of time.
I have gone to a doctor (PT) once (last year when my shin splints were just too unbearable). I have no insurance (only catastrophic) , but I was desperate and paid out of pocket. He did and said nothing that I haven't done or heard before. That was a total waste of money. I can't afford any more doctors or hire a coach.
I think I am going to take a break for a while. Let my body try heal. Try to get stronger. Try to figure some things out.
You all are my biggest support, my running family. I sincerely love this group and all your positive and encouraging words. I hope to be back sooner than later. But for now I am going to step aside and re-group. Good luck to every single one of you!13 -
Got another 1.5 in before work today. It is starting to get easier the longer I stick to it. Today was day 9 straight of going to the gym in the morning. The goal is 30 days straight. I'm starting to feel like I can actually do this!!
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@LoveyChar, @shanaber, @PastorVincent, @rheddmobile, @TheMrWobbly, @katharmonic, @emmamcgarity, @ContraryMaryMary (and anyone else I missed):
Thank you SO MUCH for the suggestions, hugs, and words of encouragement. I was pretty emotional last night, and I MAY have been a little over dramatic when saying I should quit running all together. It's kinda like at work, when you get an email from someone that is so wrong or stupid, and instead of firing one right back and saying something stupid (or regrettable) back, you take a beat and collect your thoughts, then later you calmly and smartly send a more intelligent and professional reply. Ok, maybe that's just me.
But I have been running for almost 8 years now, and I have never gone more than about 6 months without some kind of leg injury (or at the least mild pain). It will shift from shins (both posterior and anterior), to ankle, to Achilles, to plantar fasciitis, to knee. And it goes from one leg to the other. Seems as one is healed, just a few weeks later something else will start up.
I foam roll every day. Do strength work most days. Do a minimum of 15 minutes of dynamic warm up before a run, and 10 minutes of stretching after. Read, listen, and watch running related books, podcasts, videos about form, training, nutrition, mindset for an unhealthy amount of time.
I have gone to a doctor (PT) once (last year when my shin splints were just too unbearable). I have no insurance (only catastrophic) , but I was desperate and paid out of pocket. He did and said nothing that I haven't done or heard before. That was a total waste of money. I can't afford any more doctors or hire a coach.
I think I am going to take a break for a while. Let my body try heal. Try to get stronger. Try to figure some things out.
You all are my biggest support, my running family. I sincerely love this group and all your positive and encouraging words. I hope to be back sooner than later. But for now I am going to step aside and re-group. Good luck to every single one of you!
I am clearly no expert, but when I used KT tape on my Achilles, it helped me tremendously.
Might be worth a try, after a little rest.
Now I'm going out to enjoy my run at 22 degrees F. Should be a good ice beard day; yesterday's ice beard was kind of paltry.6 -
1/1 - Skipped
1/2 - 4 miles
1/3 - Weights
1/4 - 5.5 miles
1/5 - 11.32 miles
1/6 - Rest
1/7 - 3.15 miles
1/8 - Skipped, due to unexpectedly long work day.
1/9 - 5 miles easy (47:38, 9:32/mile)
January To-Date / Goal = 28.97 / 105. Weights tomorrow, long run on Saturday, recovery run on Sunday to close out the week, hopefully on track.5 -
@Scott6255 just a thought, a break may do you good. Maybe an extended cut back. Is there a set mileage that you don’t experience injury, 15MPW? 10? That might be a good start.
Cycling isn’t a bad sport to supplement with either.
And my final thought is that with chronic injury, there’s a high chance of an underlying issue. I know docs aren’t in the budget, but at some point you may explore possible causes wether that be internet, books or first hand conversations. I ran in pain all the time. I figured it was normal because it was my normal. I will try to ask my awesome trauma surgeon if he could recommend where to start. He’s also a runner. So when you do need to reach out, you have direction.
ETA. Idk how much self research you’ve done so if you already familiar just excuse. https://www.hss.edu/conditions_chronic-achilles-tendon-problems-overview.asp
I really wanna doctor you. I sure hope nursing school lets me doctor runners.8 -
@Scott6255 So sorry that you are having these issues with your Achilles and legs. I hope resting and regrouping will let you get back into running, which you seem to really love and enjoy when you aren't in pain.1
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1-1 8k slow + resistance bands
1-2 7k slow + yoga
1-3 rest + resistance bands
1-4 7k slow + yoga
1-5 8k slow
1-6 7k easy + resistance bands
1-7 rest + yoga
1-8 7k slow + resistance bands
1-9 7k slow + yoga
January Total: 51k
January Goal: 135k
Partly sunny and 22 degrees F this morning, with a steady wind out of the southeast. Wasn't bad running with the wind, but running against it was pretty brutal. Ice beard wasn't very good, either.
I realize the 12 DAYS of Christmas are over, but the 12 RUNS of Christmas end today.
The Twelve Runs of Christmas
On the twelfth run of Christmas, my workout gave to me:
Twelve geese a'honking;
Eleven gray squirrels digging;
Ten dry heaves wrackin';
Nine walkers walking;
Eight hip tweaks twangin';
Seven sparrows chirping;
Six frozen fingers;
Five trillion snowflakes;
Four wind gusts;
Three calf cramps;
Two frozen ponds;
And a small niggle in my left knee.
Next year when you pop in here claiming your December 2020 mileage, what accomplishments will you have made?
Return to a good running weight of 175 lbs
Run at least 4 5k races
Get a 5k PR
Average at least 138k per month, to meet my Run the Year pledge of 1,020 miles
Run the Year Team: Pavement Pounders7 -
1. Run an average of 1 mile per day (and walk many more than that) in January.
I went on my first run today, late start...I’m starting the couch to 10K. It felt hard! I am overweight and asthmatic...long way to go to be in shape.
2. Loose 20 pounds in 2020.
[img]https://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/t/wwRZQ4t/weight.png[/ img] 3/14/2020-Cloud Forest School 5K 6/13/2020-Helvetia 10K Abi[/img]10 -
@Scott6255 I do have health insurance and avoid the doctor as much as possible. I actually went for my first mammogram and physical this past fall and I've had a skin exam because I live in Texas and stay tan much of the year, but other than routine or what is recommended...no thank you, I'll pass. And usually, like you, they don't tell me anything I don't already know. I'm 43 and I've never routinely taken a prescription drug in my life. My dad is 68 and has never taken a medication in his life... There is always a holistic approach if you would like to use that route... it's never a magic pill fix but long term, it works (my experience).
I worked in orthopedics for four years. My first three years, I was in the hospital side. I prepped people heading to surgery. When people came out of surgery, I helped to situate them. If they did not have a catheter in and needed to use the restroom, I helped them ambulate. I got them to PT every morning, did their vitals...lots of stuff...
Then on my fourth year, I moved over to the clinic side. I called patients back, weighed them, took them to their room and recorded their current BMI. What did I learn? First of all, I enjoyed my job. I liked the surgeons I worked with, the nurses... everyone...And, I loved the patients... Nonetheless, most or many were overweight. Doctors recommendations were usually to lose weight before knee surgery would even be considered: see if weight loss doesn't improve the current situation. This didn't even always mean a doctor wouldn't perform surgery if the patient was overweight. We had one surgeon who would perform surgery on any patient no matter how obese they were. Nurses and other staff could usually identify his patients, unfortunately. We had plenty of hefty patients on the other side, though, as a whole regardless of whose patients they were. Hip replacement or surgery was usually the result after a fall or injury, but not always the case. Point is, pertaining mostly to knees and joints in general, that the less pressure or weight you put on the joints the better they are off in the long run. Duh! I know nothing about the Achilles tendon, nothing. But I could surmise that since it's a joint, that by lessening the stress you put on it (I'm not stressing to lose weight if you don't need to), it may be less affected or heal quicker without being overly taxed. But also, as Rheddmobile stated, maybe you are putting weight on your Achilles tendon, which is the biggest factor. Being more cognizant of how I/we run is important and I know you know this. My right ankle was hurting so much this past weekend. But I know why...I was stepping on the inside of my right toe, as opposed to my whole toe, and it stresses my ankle tremendously. When I find myself doing it, I fix myself. It's like telling a person who slouches to straighten up their posture; I can change it, but I need to make myself more aware of my mistake as I'm doing it until (hopefully) I'm no longer doing it. Lastly, if you take a break, please be careful not to gain weight. It's so easy to do and it makes getting back into it so much harder. I am not an expert...I stress that I am not an expert. These are my learning experiences and I still have so much to learn...so so so much. You sound like you are doing so many good things for yourself and I'm glad you're not giving up. I enjoy your jokes and your commitment to running. As I stated, I'm still learning and I trust so many of you with my questions because your experiences are invaluable to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you...4 -
January Goal: 100 Miles
1/1: 6.41 miles
1/2: 6.10 miles
1/5: 4.55 miles
1/7: 3.55 miles
1/8: 6.10 miles
1/9: 6.02 miles
32.73/100 miles completed for January
32.73/1000 miles for Run the Year Team Pavement Pounders
I had a good run this morning. I ran 6 miles. It was 60°F and while it was kind of windy (13 mph) it wasn't too bad. I enjoyed it and I am feeling better. Still a little slow, but I'm not going to let that bother me. There is no real rush (other than getting back home in time to get ready for work ).
@Scott6255 I do hope that you can get your Achilles issues solved and find your love of running again.
2020 races:
5/16/20: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon6 -
We have been getting a lot of snow and I'm a huge wimp about the snow and the cold, so it has been a week of treadmilling for me. I have been pretty disciplined about getting after it pretty consistently (though having the treadmill in the basement helps).
Date :::: Miles :::: Elevation :::: Total Miles :::: Total Elevation
01/01/20 :::: 5.12 :::: 930 ::: 5.12 :::: 930
01/02/20 Rest - Yoga
01/03/20 :::: 4.2 :::: 410 ::: 9.22 :::: 1340
01/04/20 :::: 2.3 :::: 338 ::: 11.5 :::: 1678
01/05/20 :::: 4.4 :::: 0 ::: 14.9 :::: 1678
01/06/20 Rest
01/07/20 :::: 4.0 :::: 0 ::: 19.9 :::: 1678
01/08/20 :::: 3.6 :::: 50 ::: 23.5 :::: 17285 -
@LoveyChar, @shanaber, @PastorVincent, @rheddmobile, @TheMrWobbly, @katharmonic, @emmamcgarity, @ContraryMaryMary (and anyone else I missed):
Thank you SO MUCH for the suggestions, hugs, and words of encouragement. I was pretty emotional last night, and I MAY have been a little over dramatic when saying I should quit running all together. It's kinda like at work, when you get an email from someone that is so wrong or stupid, and instead of firing one right back and saying something stupid (or regrettable) back, you take a beat and collect your thoughts, then later you calmly and smartly send a more intelligent and professional reply. Ok, maybe that's just me.
But I have been running for almost 8 years now, and I have never gone more than about 6 months without some kind of leg injury (or at the least mild pain). It will shift from shins (both posterior and anterior), to ankle, to Achilles, to plantar fasciitis, to knee. And it goes from one leg to the other. Seems as one is healed, just a few weeks later something else will start up.
I foam roll every day. Do strength work most days. Do a minimum of 15 minutes of dynamic warm up before a run, and 10 minutes of stretching after. Read, listen, and watch running related books, podcasts, videos about form, training, nutrition, mindset for an unhealthy amount of time.
I have gone to a doctor (PT) once (last year when my shin splints were just too unbearable). I have no insurance (only catastrophic) , but I was desperate and paid out of pocket. He did and said nothing that I haven't done or heard before. That was a total waste of money. I can't afford any more doctors or hire a coach.
I think I am going to take a break for a while. Let my body try heal. Try to get stronger. Try to figure some things out.
You all are my biggest support, my running family. I sincerely love this group and all your positive and encouraging words. I hope to be back sooner than later. But for now I am going to step aside and re-group. Good luck to every single one of you!
Sorry man, but it does sound like you need a reset. Step back and clear your mind and reevaluate things. Nothing wrong with that for sure. Maybe try swimming or something lower impact to give yourself time to heal.6 -
@rheddmobile I love running in the Shelby Farms area. I used to live by there and still love to go out there when I visit.
Living in Minnesota, I don't see many outdoor January resolutioners. It's just too cold to *start* running in January. But when it starts getting warmer, that's when we get our equivalent!
1/1: 1.5m
1/2: 3m
1/3: 2m
1/4: 3m
1/5: 3.5m
1/6: 2.5m
1/7: 3.25m
1/8: 4m
1/9: 3m
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Hugs @scott6255 I hope you figure something out. We will miss you while you are taking a rest and look forward to when you come back.
One thought and I KNOW you have thought this but you know... when was the last time you got fitted for shoes? Lol. My go to when I'm battling an injury is shoes. I've just changed my walking shoes due to shinsplints and it's solved that problem - so not just running shoes but everyday wear too. I haven't been fitted in a couple of years so am going to go when I'm next off work.
As for me, I had so much food and drink last night and gained like 1.5kg (3lb) overnight! I know it's mostly the weight of the actual food, and water retention that will drop off rapidly but guh!
So this morning was 7k run, that went quite well given the fuel I had on board. I won't be eating much today. Mostly because I'm still full from last night!
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Jan - goal 80k
Jan 1 - 2.1k
Jan 2 - 3k
Jan 3 - 6k
Jan 4 - 3k
Jan 5 - 9k
Jan 6 - 6.3k
Jan 7 - 2.3k
Jan 8 - 8.3k
Jan 9 - 3k
Jan 10 - 7k
Total: 50k
Run streak - 21 days5 -
@Avidkeo I can gain 3 pounds overnight too! It's so frustrating.
@kgirlhart Glad you are feeling better.
I had a decent easy run today. It was a cloudy, windy 58°F in January! Crazy weather. I don't do well with wind, so wore leggings, long sleeves and a head band. I did get hot, but for me, that's better than being cold. I did 5/1 minutes of run/walk for 3.25 miles. My pace was intentionally slow: 11:44/mile. With my warm up and cool down walk, I traversed 4.0 miles today. Surprisingly, my cool down walk was at a 4.1 mph pace. Sometimes, I don't feel like I run that fast. LOL
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I seem to have the plague. Yay. No run since Monday. Only 2 weeks into my training plan and I am already missing a week. Ah well, there is always next week...10
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@Scott6255 I'm sad to read your post. I have no advice, but I hope the break is helpful for you and that you can get the answers you're looking for. And of course you don't have to disappear from this group - we'll still be here for you as you heal and explore solutions!5
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Visit with doc 2;
Ok I think. We’re gonna wait and see a few months before scheduling a re-do surgery. My understanding is that the femoral angle from surgery day to now has changed. I didn’t clarify, so I’m just guessing and piecing conversation together. He said we’d go with a rod that is about an inch shorter. I asked “so the screw holes line up?” I mean couldn’t possibly rotate and put new holes next to old holes in a bone right? His reply was “no, so there’s room for bone cement”. Huh. Okay. Didn’t ask anything else. So I think that’s to keep in at the angle it is set. There was talk of a PAO (peri acetabular osteotomy), which would be way cool, but then he decided we can’t because the femur needs to be done, first? Or no PAO? Think no PAO is where we left that. Left hip— He remembered the nerve impingement. Thinks that side could also be de-rotated a bit to relieve the strain. (Logging that nugget away as I suspect if I ever get to add much activity it’ll be a pain in the rear constantly).
Anyway, I’m back to surgeon doc 1 in feb for an update (even thought doc2 was going to go talk to him, I’m supposed to check in. He does my disability paperwork so... ok, and he’s managing my care) and then to surgery doc 2 in March for decision and scheduling. Agreed that sx in May is ideal if needed. Give my hip time to heal from September FAI sx and re-strengthen. But. Perhaps I’ll be in a livable situation and not need to do any sx. From what I gather, my running days are done. Return to function is what we’re hoping. Although, I’m not opposed to being one of those stories where “my doc said I’d never run again”.
He thought I could try to get out on my bike. But wasn’t keen on anyone ever riding their bike outdoors. He’s a trauma surgeon and reciently lost a co-worker to a fatal mtn bike accident. He uses a zwift trainer for his biking. Eh, I really like being outside and minimal 300 USD and a 14USD/monthly fee. I don’t have a surgeons salary. And my books and supplies this semester were over 1000. Dh would get me the trainer... but someone has to be occasionally responsible with the money. Okayed some walking, but watch the knee alignment. (Which can be fixed in the next sx).13 -
5k done.
New shoes! Left leg felt a bit uncomfortable early on, slight pain on the outside (left hand side) of my leg around shin height. Now I am finished my left knee also feels a little bit 'tired'.
So I am going to immediately jump to some conclusions. Its my shoes, I've wasted my money, I can't return them and my leg is going to fall off.
That done I might go back to the old set for the weekend long run. Then have a couple more short runs with the newbies. I did have an ankle twinge last week, so we will see.
Jeez I sound like my grandmother complaining about various minor aches and pains.
Jan Goal:
1. Ttl 130km...............................35km
2. Long run10 miles...................14k
3. 17 runs....................................5
4. Help someone start C25K.....run 2 - 1.30/1 (3k)
5. Strength training x14.............5
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Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
01/01/20 :::: 4.3 :::: 4.3
01/02/20 :::: 4.9 :::: 9.2
01/03/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 11.3
01/04/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 14.5
01/05/20 :::: 7.0 :::: 21.5
01/06/20 :::: 3.8 :::: 25.2
01/07/20 :::: 1.3 :::: 26.5
01/08/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 28.5
01/09/20 :::: 2.0 :::: 30.6
Slogged out a couple of miles with the dog tonight. She was reluctant, and wanted to stop at every mailbox. It was cold and I had to watch for icy spots. My "good" winter running tights were in the laundry so I had a pair on that were definitely not warm enough, so I had the cold buns while my upper body was too warm. Such a fun little run! LOL. I was goofing around with an online haiku generator and it came up with this perfect little gem just from key words (winter, dog, freezing, pants, runs I think were the words I put in). I love it:
Frigid wintertime
A little, freezing dog runs
betrayed by the pants
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Sending out healing and recovery vibes for those who are struggling with injury! @Elise4270 you continue to have so much to deal with, but we're so glad you're here. @Scott6255 I hope a real period of recovery will be really beneficial for you. I have no relevant knowledge but I know my running coach has really struggled with achilles issues and he did a long period of barely any road running but lots of hydro running to maintain fitness. He's back to limited racing again, but I know he doesn't put in the miles he used to. He swears by the hydro running though.8 -
@Elise4270 you really need to stress that you want the lasers attached this time.6
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