Good or Bad Food?

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  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.

    Calories are a unit of energy measurement. You need a certain amount of calories to maintain your present physical form and any and all activity you perform each day. If you eat that amount your weight will stay the same. If you eat more your body will store some of it. If you eat less your body will use stored energy to make up the difference.

    The amount of calories found in a walnut is the amount of energy it can provide you. It is not an indication of quality. Understanding that walnuts carry a big calorie price tag is very helpful in weight management. Many people make the mistake of thinking "healthy" food will provide healthy results. It does not work that way. Everything needs to be portion controlled. The funny thing is that a person who doesn't log and is trying to lose weight may be safer with cake because it is generally understood you need a very small portion. That same person may be snacking on way too many walnuts and failing to lose weight or possibly even gaining.

    I get you. Calories aside, I just don't think cake should be considered same as walnuts. Maybe I'm wrong. Ok. It's my opinion. Idk about you but I have a hard time eating a small portion of cake. I don't eat a whole bag of walnuts either. I never thought in a million years I'd have these many disagrees over my opinion of cake

    How do you figure cake is being considered the same as walnuts? I doubt many would consider cake the be an optimally nutritious food...but that has zero to do with calories. Your convoluting calories with nutrition...they aren't the same thing. Calories are just a unit of measure like an inch or mile or watt or whatever.

    and for that matter, why does it have to be one or the other...?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.

    Calories are a unit of energy measurement. You need a certain amount of calories to maintain your present physical form and any and all activity you perform each day. If you eat that amount your weight will stay the same. If you eat more your body will store some of it. If you eat less your body will use stored energy to make up the difference.

    The amount of calories found in a walnut is the amount of energy it can provide you. It is not an indication of quality. Understanding that walnuts carry a big calorie price tag is very helpful in weight management. Many people make the mistake of thinking "healthy" food will provide healthy results. It does not work that way. Everything needs to be portion controlled. The funny thing is that a person who doesn't log and is trying to lose weight may be safer with cake because it is generally understood you need a very small portion. That same person may be snacking on way too many walnuts and failing to lose weight or possibly even gaining.

    I get you. Calories aside, I just don't think cake should be considered same as walnuts. Maybe I'm wrong. Ok. It's my opinion. Idk about you but I have a hard time eating a small portion of cake. I don't eat a whole bag of walnuts either. I never thought in a million years I'd have these many disagrees over my opinion of cake

    How do you figure cake is being considered the same as walnuts? I doubt many would consider cake the be an optimally nutritious food...but that has zero to do with calories. Your convoluting calories with nutrition...they aren't the same thing. Calories are just a unit of measure like an inch or mile or watt or whatever.

    and for that matter, why does it have to be one or the other...?

    Yup...my wife made chocolate chip cookies over the weekend and I'm having one for desert tonight. I'm pretty sure it isn't going to unwind the rest of the nutrition I had for the day or negate my spin class this evening.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    edited January 2020
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    That opinion has led some of us down a path that led to failure. Some of what you are detecting is likely to be concern that you are headed there too. That is not to say that it is your fate. If this is a mental trick you need to do because you have so much cake in the house and it does not affect your overall relationship with food it might be fine. I don't know what others need to do to make it from one day to the next I only know what I need to do.

    What I have learned is aside from anything medical like allergies there is no such thing as junk/bad/unhealthy food and if I try to deprive myself based on labels it ends badly. If I need to segregate a food item like my addictive rice krispie treats, all joking aside, I label it as "tough to moderate." Even that label is not necessarily permanent. I have also learned that things you moderate easily normally can become tough in certain situations. It is fun trying to navigate the mental aspects of weight loss.

  • autumnblade75
    autumnblade75 Posts: 1,661 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm just going to point out that carrot cake has walnuts in it.

    Ew. Gross. Not when *I* bake it!

    I like cake. Walnuts are gross. <-opinion.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm just going to point out that carrot cake has walnuts in it.

    No it doesnt.

    not the ones I eat anyway.

    (and I do love carrot cake)

    new question: is cake healthier than carrots? - who cares, combine them in carrot cake! Win win!



    Blasphemy!! Carrot cake should have walnuts both in it, and sprinkled on top of the lemon cream cheese icing.

    As to carrots vs cake, the answer is 'it depends on context' :P. But obviously putting the carrots into the cake covers your bases. Adding walnuts tips it over to being a superfood.

    But I'z allergic! I haz the sadz when carrot cake has walnuts in it
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm just going to point out that carrot cake has walnuts in it.

    No it doesnt.

    not the ones I eat anyway.

    (and I do love carrot cake)

    new question: is cake healthier than carrots? - who cares, combine them in carrot cake! Win win!



    Blasphemy!! Carrot cake should have walnuts both in it, and sprinkled on top of the lemon cream cheese icing.

    As to carrots vs cake, the answer is 'it depends on context' :P. But obviously putting the carrots into the cake covers your bases. Adding walnuts tips it over to being a superfood.

    But I'z allergic! I haz the sadz when carrot cake has walnuts in it

    You're excused from the walnut carrot cake then :)
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm just going to point out that carrot cake has walnuts in it.

    No it doesnt.

    not the ones I eat anyway.

    (and I do love carrot cake)

    new question: is cake healthier than carrots? - who cares, combine them in carrot cake! Win win!



    Blasphemy!! Carrot cake should have walnuts both in it, and sprinkled on top of the lemon cream cheese icing.

    As to carrots vs cake, the answer is 'it depends on context' :P. But obviously putting the carrots into the cake covers your bases. Adding walnuts tips it over to being a superfood.

    But I'z allergic! I haz the sadz when carrot cake has walnuts in it

    You're excused from the walnut carrot cake then :)

    But I want carrot cake. And everyone ruins it with walnuts. Except @paperpudding, apparently.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm just going to point out that carrot cake has walnuts in it.

    No it doesnt.

    not the ones I eat anyway.

    (and I do love carrot cake)

    new question: is cake healthier than carrots? - who cares, combine them in carrot cake! Win win!



    Blasphemy!! Carrot cake should have walnuts both in it, and sprinkled on top of the lemon cream cheese icing.

    As to carrots vs cake, the answer is 'it depends on context' :P. But obviously putting the carrots into the cake covers your bases. Adding walnuts tips it over to being a superfood.

    But I'z allergic! I haz the sadz when carrot cake has walnuts in it

    You're excused from the walnut carrot cake then :)

    But I want carrot cake. And everyone ruins it with walnuts. Except @paperpudding, apparently.

    I would suggest an arrangement with @paperpudding to supply you with walnut-free carrot cake then. You'll need to get her to add something else to make it a superfood though, otherwise you'll never meet your goalz.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited January 2020
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    NovusDies, I believe you are correct. Likely a heuristic: mental shortcut that eases the cognitive load of making a decision.

    Lemurcat2, I don't see that much information in my view (below). Is this something I setup? I do see slightly more info in the Reports tab - thanks try2again, I never viewed this tab. I always thought micro was for premium.

    m46wwo5axks3.png

    You can switch out sodium and sugar (the 2 non macro options) for other nutrients you are more interested in (I think fiber is a better option than either of those for most people). More significantly, you can use the reports, and when you input the foods you can look at the nutrition that they have.

    If you want more than that, there are better sites, as I noted, but I think that's actually quite a lot.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    NovusDies, I believe you are correct. Likely a heuristic: mental shortcut that eases the cognitive load of making a decision.

    Lemurcat2, I don't see that much information in my view (below). Is this something I setup? I do see slightly more info in the Reports tab - thanks try2again, I never viewed this tab. I always thought micro was for premium.

    m46wwo5axks3.png

    The app shows full details for all the nutrients that can be entered in mfp. The web only shows the ones you’ve selected.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    NovusDies, I believe you are correct. Likely a heuristic: mental shortcut that eases the cognitive load of making a decision.

    Lemurcat2, I don't see that much information in my view (below). Is this something I setup? I do see slightly more info in the Reports tab - thanks try2again, I never viewed this tab. I always thought micro was for premium.

    m46wwo5axks3.png

    The app shows full details for all the nutrients that can be entered in mfp. The web only shows the ones you’ve selected.

    You can find the rest under "Reports" on the website.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    edited January 2020
    earlnabby wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    NovusDies, I believe you are correct. Likely a heuristic: mental shortcut that eases the cognitive load of making a decision.

    Lemurcat2, I don't see that much information in my view (below). Is this something I setup? I do see slightly more info in the Reports tab - thanks try2again, I never viewed this tab. I always thought micro was for premium.

    m46wwo5axks3.png

    The app shows full details for all the nutrients that can be entered in mfp. The web only shows the ones you’ve selected.

    You can find the rest under "Reports" on the website.

    That too.

    I was thinking the app because it shows them all at once. Where the web only shows the selected ones at once.


  • try2again
    try2again Posts: 3,562 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.

    Calories are a unit of energy measurement. You need a certain amount of calories to maintain your present physical form and any and all activity you perform each day. If you eat that amount your weight will stay the same. If you eat more your body will store some of it. If you eat less your body will use stored energy to make up the difference.

    The amount of calories found in a walnut is the amount of energy it can provide you. It is not an indication of quality. Understanding that walnuts carry a big calorie price tag is very helpful in weight management. Many people make the mistake of thinking "healthy" food will provide healthy results. It does not work that way. Everything needs to be portion controlled. The funny thing is that a person who doesn't log and is trying to lose weight may be safer with cake because it is generally understood you need a very small portion. That same person may be snacking on way too many walnuts and failing to lose weight or possibly even gaining.

    I get you. Calories aside, I just don't think cake should be considered same as walnuts. Maybe I'm wrong. Ok. It's my opinion. Idk about you but I have a hard time eating a small portion of cake. I don't eat a whole bag of walnuts either. I never thought in a million years I'd have these many disagrees over my opinion of cake

    How do you figure cake is being considered the same as walnuts? I doubt many would consider cake the be an optimally nutritious food...but that has zero to do with calories. Your convoluting calories with nutrition...they aren't the same thing. Calories are just a unit of measure like an inch or mile or watt or whatever.

    and for that matter, why does it have to be one or the other...?

    Yup...my wife made chocolate chip cookies over the weekend and I'm having one for desert tonight. I'm pretty sure it isn't going to unwind the rest of the nutrition I had for the day or negate my spin class this evening.

    Be careful out there... just in case :D
  • psychod787
    psychod787 Posts: 4,099 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.
    So, did you think MFP made it up that walnuts have fewer calories than cake? (Depending on the cake!) It’s physics. Ignore it if you want, but it is what it is. Most cake is primarily carbs. Walnuts are primarily fat. And carbs have fewer calories per gram than fat, so the same weight of most types of cake probably has fewer calories than the equivalent weight in walnuts. That doesn’t mean you should eat cake. It doesn’t mean you should eat walnuts! It means you have to use your brain to figure out which food will help you meet your nutritional goal and your calorie goal.

    Not in my experience, as plenty of cakes have as much fat, or nearly as much fat, as carbs. For example, a piece of Portillo's chocolate cake (just because it is easy to find the nutrition information) has 329 cals from fat, and 344 from carbs. Pretty close. That's consistent with the kind of breakdown I see in dessert type items I make at home, for the most part (although there are exceptions that are disproportionately fat or carb). Of course, if you buy these at the grocery store it is sometimes the case that they are lower fat to try and lower cals, but usually those are all that tasty by comparison.

    I otherwise agree with your point, but it is a personal mission to stop people from stereotyping most high fat dessert foods as simply "carbs"--too often they (although not you, of course) go on to claim that carbs are therefore the problem in everyone's diet and are unhealthy and the devil, blah, blah.

    Anyway, great post, I just had to be nitpicky since it's my hobby horse.

    I was looking at a piece of so called prepackaged cake the other day. When I did the math of the calorie density, it wasn't much less than what walnuts are. lol
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    MikePTY wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.

    Why is that ridiculous? Calories are calories. If you eat a surplus of calories from walnuts, you will gain weight. If you eat a deficit of calories from cake, you will lose weight. That's how weight loss works. MFP didn't make that up.

    Nutrition is another issue, but MFP gives you plenty of tools there. You can track all your macro nutrients and some micronurtients. So you can make plenty of nutrition based decisions from that.

    However for most people who are overweight or obese, the healthiest thing they can do for themselves is lost weight and get to a normal weight. Eating cake at a normal weight is healthier than nuts of you are obese. One of the great things from this app is it frees you of unhelpful moral judgements about food being "good" or "bad". Good food is food that helps you stay in your calorie goal, bad food is food that makes it difficult to stay in your calorie goal.

    It's an opinion. Not scripture. Cake has less health benefits than walnuts.

    On one hand you say it's an opinion. Then you follow it up with the bolded, an absolute statement of fact.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    Wow. Ok. It's just my opinion. I don't think cake is good for you and walnuts are better for you. The end

    In what way?
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    edited January 2020
    shaf238 wrote: »
    Wow. Ok. It's just my opinion. I don't think cake is good for you and walnuts are better for you. The end

    Eating a small piece of cake and 1 tonne of walnuts wouldn't work out very well for me. Doesn't make either of those foods good or bad however.

    Walnuts are heart healthy and cake is not <necessarily>

    Overeating walnuts is not heart healthy. Eating cake in moderation can certainly be heart healthy. Context and dose matter...
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    edited January 2020
    NovusDies wrote: »
    I do understand what you are asking. I quit logging a while back because cake was less calories than walnuts and I thought that was ridiculous. I wish there were a way to determine the health factors of each food.

    Calories are a unit of energy measurement. You need a certain amount of calories to maintain your present physical form and any and all activity you perform each day. If you eat that amount your weight will stay the same. If you eat more your body will store some of it. If you eat less your body will use stored energy to make up the difference.

    The amount of calories found in a walnut is the amount of energy it can provide you. It is not an indication of quality. Understanding that walnuts carry a big calorie price tag is very helpful in weight management. Many people make the mistake of thinking "healthy" food will provide healthy results. It does not work that way. Everything needs to be portion controlled. The funny thing is that a person who doesn't log and is trying to lose weight may be safer with cake because it is generally understood you need a very small portion. That same person may be snacking on way too many walnuts and failing to lose weight or possibly even gaining.

    I get you. Calories aside, I just don't think cake should be considered same as walnuts. Maybe I'm wrong. Ok. It's my opinion. Idk about you but I have a hard time eating a small portion of cake. I don't eat a whole bag of walnuts either. I never thought in a million years I'd have these many disagrees over my opinion of cake

    But for the rest of us who can, and do only eat a small portion of cake, it would be fine.

    That said, what if you did not have a hard time eating only a small portion of cake? Would your opinion change?
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    edited January 2020
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".
  • BuffaloChixSalad
    BuffaloChixSalad Posts: 98 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".

    Find someone to "pick on" I'm over this *kitten*
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    edited January 2020
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".

    Find someone to "pick on" I'm over this *kitten*

    I apologize if you feel I am picking on you...
  • BuffaloChixSalad
    BuffaloChixSalad Posts: 98 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".

    Find someone to "pick on" I'm over this *kitten*

    Can you at least answer my question?

    If you did not have a hard time eating only a small portion of cake, would your opinion change?

    Does it really matter anymore? My opinion means nothing and I'm sick of being blasted over this *kitten*.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".

    Find someone to "pick on" I'm over this *kitten*

    Can you at least answer my question?

    If you did not have a hard time eating only a small portion of cake, would your opinion change?

    Does it really matter anymore? My opinion means nothing and I'm sick of being blasted over this *kitten*.

    I do not agree that you are getting blasted but I do think it unwise to try to keep helping someone that is not asking for it nor receptive at the moment.

    I hope that in a few days this experience will not seem so raw to you and you will continue to use this forum as you need.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,000 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jm_1234 wrote: »
    I think the original post has been answered, but to chime in. I don't believe MFP is geared toward nutrition or health, from what I've seen of the free version it is just about calories and macros - however you use that information is up to you.

    @BuffaloChixSalad, don't take these forums and any seeming push-back seriously. Everyone communicates differently and written communication has it's challenges from both a writer and reader perspective. I'm always impressed with certain user's essays because it just shows they put in a lot of effort to be clear and precise. I am more of a cognitive shortcut and cut to the chase type person so "good" or "bad" works fine for me even if it isn't 100% accurate in every scenario.

    It was only an opinion. How I view food. What's in my mind. I never thought it would have gotten so heated. I never said I had facts. Never said that I am a nutritionist or macro expert. Solely my view.

    True, but you are making absolute statements as if they were facts. I apologize if it seems I'm picking on you, that said, the words we use matter. You can't make a factual, absolute statement and then back pedal and claim, "it is only my opinion...".

    Find someone to "pick on" I'm over this *kitten*

    Can you at least answer my question?

    If you did not have a hard time eating only a small portion of cake, would your opinion change?

    Does it really matter anymore? My opinion means nothing and I'm sick of being blasted over this *kitten*.

    I apologize if you feel I am blasting you, that is not my intention.