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  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    What was hard for me: transitioning to feeling "success" without seeing the scale move down. I learned to let maintaining be its own reward, but it was a big mental adjustment.

    Giving yourself time to adjust to maintaining is a great idea. I wish I'd been as intentional with it, but it all worked out.

    I have seen several people make similar comments about adjusting to a new meaning of success. That is one of the reasons I wanted to give myself new and easy ways to "win" each day and let calorie management be on the same level as brushing my teeth. I have no idea if it will work.

    Because of how I stopped I have some unrealized weight loss (meaning I never saw it on the scale). On Sat I was already masking about 4 pounds and since then I have upticked some more and I am a full 9ish pounds heavier than I could be on the scale. So even now I still expect to see a new low weight at some point after things regulate again. I guess that will cut into my maintenance experience some.

    I think my first 4 month maintenance goals are to:

    1) Learn how my weight behaves.
    2) See how it feels to not expect losses
    3) Adjust to balancing my calories closer to zero

    3 will probably be one of the harder things for me to do. My logging habits tend to be high. I also eat a variable amount of daily calories and while losing as long as I didn't create more than an extra 875ish calories worth of deficit in a week I didn't bother with eating them back if I didn't want them.
  • kcmcbeekcmcbee Posts: 128Member Member Posts: 128Member Member
    Sounds like a great way to take the long view! Good luck my friend!
  • MelanieCN77MelanieCN77 Posts: 3,916Member Member Posts: 3,916Member Member
    Getting ahead of it mentally is a good call. Like for many, my transition into maintenance was rocky and I still question many things. I drift in and out of logging like continuing education, I find it helpful and reassuring when all the other markers and numbers could be saying any number of things. Also remembering that the long view is even more important to get a handle on - telling people trying to lose to look out 4-6 weeks is a decent time frame for those in that phase, whereas it's months and longer for maintenance. Course corrections also needn't be dramatic for this reason.

    You got this!
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    Getting ahead of it mentally is a good call. Like for many, my transition into maintenance was rocky and I still question many things. I drift in and out of logging like continuing education, I find it helpful and reassuring when all the other markers and numbers could be saying any number of things. Also remembering that the long view is even more important to get a handle on - telling people trying to lose to look out 4-6 weeks is a decent time frame for those in that phase, whereas it's months and longer for maintenance. Course corrections also needn't be dramatic for this reason.

    You got this!

    My plan is for 4 months but that is just a number I chose. I will need to wait for a usable scale result which for me is even more problematic because there have been times while losing that 6 weeks was not enough time to get past the fluctuation noise. Add to that this is also for recomp so that will be a headache on the scale as well.

    My scale result is pretty high today. I am also pretty sore so no surprises there. I was starting to slide back down a bit for a couple of days but then jumped 2.4 pounds again between yesterday and today. As I said one of my goals was to try to establish how my weight would normally behave in maintenance. I have a good feel for how it behaves while losing... well as much as anyone can.
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    lol. My Larger Losers group is probably sick of hearing about my spreadsheet too. Mine is on version 6 which just started again on Jan 10th to help determine my latest TDEE. I will continue to use it through at least this first recomp/maintenance cycle.

    I guess that is another goal. To determine what changes I might need to make to my spreadsheet to guide me into the forever.

    I have still managed to create a little over a 1k deficit this first week. That is not too bad and I will erase some of it this weekend. It is hard to turn off the losing switch when I still have some weight that will need to be lost. My recomp is starting pretty slow so a little deficit is not going to hinder much the first couple of weeks. I really do want this to be as close to a net zero period gain/loss though as I can get. I know it will not happen and I will definitely have lost or gained some amount of weight (probably lost) but that should give me info for the next trial.

  • snowflake954snowflake954 Posts: 4,667Member Member Posts: 4,667Member Member
    Chiming in to wish you all the best on your quest. Anxious to hear how it goes. We all have our demons.
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Posts: 14,254Member Member Posts: 14,254Member Member
    NovusDies wrote: »

    (snip)

    I appreciate any wisdom offered.

    Just in to wish you well, express my confidence that you're more than up to accomplishing this successfully (and will learn from it) . . . and to LOL a little at the implication that us random maintainers might have some additional wisdom that you don't. ;)

    (snip)

    HUGE life change.

    HUGE issues to overcome, for anyone losing significant weight. I posted in another thread this morning about just some of the factors I had to think about, change, question, etc. Everything from the macros puzzle, nutrition, stress, alcohol, sleep, snacking, meal timing, food choices, exercise, logging, and more. It's a complicated physiological and psychological change. I don't think that ever ends, honestly.

    (snip)

    And just to make things more entertaining, some of the relevant external and internal factors change over time, too, so approach that used to work well now needs some tweaking. Fun stuff. ;)
    edited February 21
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »

    (snip)

    I appreciate any wisdom offered.

    Just in to wish you well, express my confidence that you're more than up to accomplishing this successfully (and will learn from it) . . . and to LOL a little at the implication that us random maintainers might have some additional wisdom that you don't. ;)

    (snip)

    HUGE life change.

    HUGE issues to overcome, for anyone losing significant weight. I posted in another thread this morning about just some of the factors I had to think about, change, question, etc. Everything from the macros puzzle, nutrition, stress, alcohol, sleep, snacking, meal timing, food choices, exercise, logging, and more. It's a complicated physiological and psychological change. I don't think that ever ends, honestly.

    (snip)

    And just to make things more entertaining, some of the relevant external and internal factors change over time, too, so approach that used to work well now needs some tweaking. Fun stuff. ;)

    Wisdom is generally either sought or forced upon us. It is better to seek it than to always require a trial.
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »

    (snip)

    I appreciate any wisdom offered.

    Just in to wish you well, express my confidence that you're more than up to accomplishing this successfully (and will learn from it) . . . and to LOL a little at the implication that us random maintainers might have some additional wisdom that you don't. ;)

    (snip)

    HUGE life change.

    HUGE issues to overcome, for anyone losing significant weight. I posted in another thread this morning about just some of the factors I had to think about, change, question, etc. Everything from the macros puzzle, nutrition, stress, alcohol, sleep, snacking, meal timing, food choices, exercise, logging, and more. It's a complicated physiological and psychological change. I don't think that ever ends, honestly.

    (snip)

    And just to make things more entertaining, some of the relevant external and internal factors change over time, too, so approach that used to work well now needs some tweaking. Fun stuff. ;)

    Yup.

    Some things still have my claw marks on them. Some things have gotten way easier though - so there's that.


    I did bounce around 10 pounds up and down for the first couple years of maintenance. Then somehow it just became a steady weight and now I almost can't change it. I just stay within a three pound range.

    I hope I will eventually stabilize. My capacity for bloat is unnerving at times. I go away for vacation and come back 20 pounds heavier almost every time.
  • katshearekatsheare Posts: 1,088Member Member Posts: 1,088Member Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I echo the slightly crazy, like a fox, bro up-thread. As long as you keep keeping that head in the game the way you have been you will be in as good a shape as anyone can be!

    Depending on what statistic you believe only like 10 percent of anyone who gets to a goal successfully maintains it. My logic in this regard is pretty simple. If I want to be among the 10 percent I can't behave like the 90 percent. I don't see many people being this crazy so I will take you at your word that I might actually be in good shape.

    Just want to celebrate your insightfulness here. So very very true, and one of the things leering at me (~4 kg from maintenance...).
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    katsheare wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I echo the slightly crazy, like a fox, bro up-thread. As long as you keep keeping that head in the game the way you have been you will be in as good a shape as anyone can be!

    Depending on what statistic you believe only like 10 percent of anyone who gets to a goal successfully maintains it. My logic in this regard is pretty simple. If I want to be among the 10 percent I can't behave like the 90 percent. I don't see many people being this crazy so I will take you at your word that I might actually be in good shape.

    Just want to celebrate your insightfulness here. So very very true, and one of the things leering at me (~4 kg from maintenance...).

    I wouldn't know for sure but I would think that you using the word "leering" is a good sign that you respect the process enough to do well at it. I don't think of it as some huge undertaking but I can't afford to kick back and think it will all take care of itself either. I would rather be cautious to a ridiculous degree. Plus this trial is piggy-backing on recomp which is getting most of my attention.

  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    Sunday to Sunday I still managed to create nearly 1500 calories of deficit. My weight is still up 10 pounds over my low which is not surprising and not something I expect to change for a few weeks. I am on my second trip through my recomp routine and now I am realizing I need to adjust a few things. No surprise there either.

    I would give my first 7 days a C- grade. I knew I had some banked calories to eat this weekend and I didn't feel comfortable eating them and it is probably because of my weight upticking. So even though I expected the hike a few of those irrational demons were whispering in my ear and won. I know you might be thinking that I could eat them today but I usually prefer to start a clean slate on Monday. I also think these smaller over/under numbers will probably balance themselves without being forced.
  • cmriversidecmriverside Posts: 29,880Member Member Posts: 29,880Member Member
    So...you're not trying to lose or maintain...you're trying a bulk/cut cycle?

    I mean, your posts are all over the place in this thread from losing to maintaining to bulk. I think you could pick a direction and stick with that direction for 4-6 weeks, just like when you were losing. Get off the fence. :lol:

    You know your calorie needs, right? You have the spreadsheet. Trust the process a little.


    How about just getting comfortable at a goal range of five pounds and then lifting some heavy stuff and putting it back down.

  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member Posts: 7,143Member, Premium Member
    So...you're not trying to lose or maintain...you're trying a bulk/cut cycle?

    I mean, your posts are all over the place in this thread from losing to maintaining to bulk. I think you could pick a direction and stick with that direction for 4-6 weeks, just like when you were losing. Get off the fence. :lol:

    You know your calorie needs, right? You have the spreadsheet. Trust the process a little.


    How about just getting comfortable at a goal range of five pounds and then lifting some heavy stuff and putting it back down.

    I do not feel like I am on the fence. Just trying to adjust. I am trying to recomp and practice maintenance while I do it. I don't recall saying anything remotely about trying to bulk, in fact, I thought I was quite clear that I probably would likely not be comfortable doing anything like that for several years after I reach some sort of goal.

    I probably did lose a little this last week which is not my goal but, again, trying to adjust. That is why I gave my first week an unsatisfactory grade.
  • cmriversidecmriverside Posts: 29,880Member Member Posts: 29,880Member Member
    :flowerforyou:
  • cupcakesandproteinshakescupcakesandproteinshakes Posts: 577Member Member Posts: 577Member Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    So...you're not trying to lose or maintain...you're trying a bulk/cut cycle?

    I mean, your posts are all over the place in this thread from losing to maintaining to bulk. I think you could pick a direction and stick with that direction for 4-6 weeks, just like when you were losing. Get off the fence. :lol:

    You know your calorie needs, right? You have the spreadsheet. Trust the process a little.


    How about just getting comfortable at a goal range of five pounds and then lifting some heavy stuff and putting it back down.

    I do not feel like I am on the fence. Just trying to adjust. I am trying to recomp and practice maintenance while I do it. I don't recall saying anything remotely about trying to bulk, in fact, I thought I was quite clear that I probably would likely not be comfortable doing anything like that for several years after I reach some sort of goal.

    I probably did lose a little this last week which is not my goal but, again, trying to adjust. That is why I gave my first week an unsatisfactory grade.

    I don’t think this sounds ‘unsatisfactory’. You are an analytical person and are well on top of your data. Go easy on yourself. It’s not unsatisfactory, you are still learning how to do maintenance.
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