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I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-4211224 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know
I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
Ignore the fools.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
Call me utterly surprised at people's ignorance! I've seen a lot of things that make me angry. When the doctor died in Houston, social media was flooded with comments attacking her weight (which isn't just ludicrous, it's incredibly rude and evil) and saying she must have had preexisting conditions the family wasn't saying.
This whole pandemic has had classical stages of grief. Anger, denial, acceptance. Many seem to be stuck in the denial stage or the anger stage.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
I'll even stipulate that lifestyle is a major component in T2D, but that shouldn't change how we value the lives of people with it (not that I think you're arguing we should). Before I lost weight, my doctor told me that I was at risk of developing it in the future and even with that warning and the clear example of my father (who died as a result of his heart disease and T2D), it still took me some false starts and major effort before I was able to figure out a path to successful weight management. If I had T2D today, it wouldn't be me choosing to have it as much as I would have failed to have yet solved the riddle of what it was inside myself that was making the counterproductive lifestyle choices I was making.
In some ways, I DID choose to no longer be overweight. But as almost everyone here knows, it wasn't nearly as simple as just making that decision. You have to make the choice multiple times a day, in a constantly varying array of situations and pressures, in an atmosphere where success can only be found by trading the short-term awards of calories and leisure over the longer-term rewards of weight management. And to make it worse, you usually can't find long-term success just by replicating someone else's path to success. You have to find a way that works for YOU, with all the trial and error that requires.
We live in a society that makes it very easy to be obese, which is something I try to take into account in evaluating people's choices. Behavioral change is HARD, it's not as simple as saying "Well, you just chose to have T2D." (Again, I realize this is not your argument). I can't evaluate this situation without realizing that the "lifestyle risk" people are just like me, I only happened to get to the other side of my riddle.12 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I had to google "Panglossian" and LOL'd at the picture Merriam Webster used to illustrate this word
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kshama2001 wrote: »I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I had to google "Panglossian" and LOL'd at the picture Merriam Webster used to illustrate this word
Oh, that's too funny . . .2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@kshama2001 Who knew this would still be going on for all of these months now.
I went to the grocery store and it was just like last winter. No vegetables. No celery, no carrots, no peppers. Nadda. It's Groundhog Day. I'm happy everyone is still here. What will winter bring us.
Yes, for the past few weeks, my Walmart has again been having problems stocking toilet paper and especially paper towels.
I started this thread in response to news about manufacturers warning about potential supply chain disruptions and was interested to see this article about manufacturer's plans for this fall. (I can read the whole article on my iphone in News, but just this in the browser):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/grocers-stockpile-build-pandemic-pallets-ahead-of-winter-11601199000
Grocery stores and food companies are preparing for a possible surge in sales amid a new rise in Covid-19 cases and the impending holiday rush.
Supermarkets are stockpiling groceries and storing them early to prepare for the fall and winter months, when some health experts warn the country could see another widespread outbreak of virus cases and new restrictions. Food companies are accelerating production of their most popular items, and leaders across the industry are saying they won’t be caught unprepared in the face of...
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The article goes on to discuss how Hormel, General Mills, Campbells, etc., have still not caught up to normal inventory levels while at the same time supermarkets are trying to stockpile ahead of anticipated demand in constant to their usual "lean inventory" policies.
Coke is still making fewer varieties of drinks. Sorry Fresca lovers.4 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
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I love this article. It should be sent to the "anti-maskers...."
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/09/if-you-dont-want-to-wear-a-mask-come-to-work-with-me.html
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I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
Agreed, I found it odd that it didn't ponder on whether this process involves immunity to the organ damage/inflammation being seen in many who get the virus.3 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
Agreed, I found it odd that it didn't ponder on whether this process involves immunity to the organ damage/inflammation being seen in many who get the virus.
Maybe it's just me, but it seemed to me that the article's central point was to summarize a group of experts' views about how the course of the virus would proceed at a macro (societal) level, not the individual level. While treatments and vaccines were touched on, they were in that context - impact on the ability of the economy to recover, and so-called "normal life" to resume. I don't feel like the central focus was on exploring the impact of limited immunity on individuals (i.e., would it reduce organ damage), either. Those are important topics, of course, in their own right.
The "long haulers" or other people with permanent damage are a horrifying consequence of the disease, and that does have some macro level impact (overall societal health care costs and productivity loss, for example) but it seems to me that long term health damages have their impact more at the individual human/family level. That doesn't make them unimportant - not at all - but I think it's understandable that it wouldn't be a key point in an article focused on, essentially, "what will be the virus's course at an overall societal (macro) level".3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »@kshama2001 Who knew this would still be going on for all of these months now.
I went to the grocery store and it was just like last winter. No vegetables. No celery, no carrots, no peppers. Nadda. It's Groundhog Day. I'm happy everyone is still here. What will winter bring us.
Yes, for the past few weeks, my Walmart has again been having problems stocking toilet paper and especially paper towels.
I started this thread in response to news about manufacturers warning about potential supply chain disruptions and was interested to see this article about manufacturer's plans for this fall. (I can read the whole article on my iphone in News, but just this in the browser):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/grocers-stockpile-build-pandemic-pallets-ahead-of-winter-11601199000
Grocery stores and food companies are preparing for a possible surge in sales amid a new rise in Covid-19 cases and the impending holiday rush.
Supermarkets are stockpiling groceries and storing them early to prepare for the fall and winter months, when some health experts warn the country could see another widespread outbreak of virus cases and new restrictions. Food companies are accelerating production of their most popular items, and leaders across the industry are saying they won’t be caught unprepared in the face of...
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The article goes on to discuss how Hormel, General Mills, Campbells, etc., have still not caught up to normal inventory levels while at the same time supermarkets are trying to stockpile ahead of anticipated demand in constant to their usual "lean inventory" policies.
Coke is still making fewer varieties of drinks. Sorry Fresca lovers.
My son's friend is going to make big bucks this year. He's in logistics and they get bonuses based on how well they consolidate shipments. Nature disasters like hurricanes, tornados and now the pandemic provide a lot of opportunities for shippers.0 -
I love this article. It should be sent to the "anti-maskers...."
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/09/if-you-dont-want-to-wear-a-mask-come-to-work-with-me.html
That was awesome. Wish my girlfriend's anti-mask coworker saw that and spent some time with that doctor before she contracted the coronavirus and then passed it on to my friend >.<7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »...
Coke is still making fewer varieties of drinks. Sorry Fresca lovers.
sniff sniff
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There's been a few articles out on Interferons, which as a non-science person, I don't understand all that well at all. But what the studies are apparently saying is that Interferon activity seems to be diminished (or damaged due to genetics) in those that have worse Covid-19 outcomes. This seems like relatively new information.
I have read Green Tea helps to activate interferon activity. Was thinking about switching from coffee back to green tea, but then I think, nah, I like my coffee too much!
Maybe have to add back in more Matcha Tea. My wife was making Matcha Lattes in the afternoons a few times a week for us. We might have to revisit that habit.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200928/Genetic-mutations-hinder-immune-response-in-severe-COVID-19.aspx
https://nutritionfacts.org/2020/06/02/boosting-antiviral-immune-function-with-green-tea/2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There's been a few articles out on Interferons, which as a non-science person, I don't understand all that well at all. But what the studies are apparently saying is that Interferon activity seems to be diminished (or damaged due to genetics) in those that have worse Covid-19 outcomes. This seems like relatively new information.
I have read Green Tea helps to activate interferon activity. Was thinking about switching from coffee back to green tea, but then I think, nah, I like my coffee too much!
Maybe have to add back in more Matcha Tea. My wife was making Matcha Lattes in the afternoons a few times a week for us. We might have to revisit that habit.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200928/Genetic-mutations-hinder-immune-response-in-severe-COVID-19.aspx
https://nutritionfacts.org/2020/06/02/boosting-antiviral-immune-function-with-green-tea/
Interesting. Interferon-1 is the primary response to influenza virus as well. The virus makes proteins that blunt the activation of IFN-1, so seems plausible COVID could be similar.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I had to google "Panglossian" and LOL'd at the picture Merriam Webster used to illustrate this word
Hahaha! I wasn't the only one to not remember Voltaire's Candide and the character, Pangloss, that was unrealistically optimistic, even in the face of facts to the contrary...….2 -
Good article, if you believe in safety measures.
The next few months could get ugly. Here's how to stay safe as the pandemic rages on
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/health/how-to-stay-safe-covid-fall-autumn-wellness-trnd/index.html3 -
They're giving out flu shots at the rodeo grounds. Loading UP the folkaronies so we can get one. We still don't have any green tea in the box or bottle. The numbers have been increasing all around us. Death is hitting the 40, 50 and 60 year olds. Sturgis is a good guess. Born to be wild.
Did you get your flu shots yet? Just wondering. 7 -
I have an appt. for my flu shot on Monday. It used to be you could walk into Walgreens and get one; now you have to make an appt. Oh well, no biggie.2
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Diatonic12 wrote: »They're giving out flu shots at the rodeo grounds. Loading UP the folkaronies so we can get one. We still don't have any green tea in the box or bottle. The numbers have been increasing all around us. Death is hitting the 40, 50 and 60 year olds. Sturgis is a good guess. Born to be wild. Did you get your flu shots yet? Just wondering.
I get a lot of my teas through Amazon. Or Walmart online. I used to drink tea by the dang case, so bulk purchasing was always better for me. I have seen some of the SD numbers and they are startling.
Haven't got my flu shot yet but I do intend on it.4 -
10 Tennessee Titans personnel, tested positive for Corona. They and the Vikings (played each other this past Sunday)closed their practice facilities. The NFL want the game on Sunday to go on as scheduled. No fans attended Sunday’s game in Minneapolis. Just a matter of time before it spreads.4
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I think our only hope for the near term is the thing mutates to be contagious to humans anymore. 2
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Diatonic12 wrote: »They're giving out flu shots at the rodeo grounds. Loading UP the folkaronies so we can get one. We still don't have any green tea in the box or bottle. The numbers have been increasing all around us. Death is hitting the 40, 50 and 60 year olds. Sturgis is a good guess. Born to be wild. Did you get your flu shots yet? Just wondering.
I am getting mine tomorrow at the doctors office, my husband already got his last week. Both paid my medicare and health insurance.2 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I think our only hope for the near term is the thing mutates to be contagious to humans anymore.
Not happening anytime soon Bon, so keep up your mask, wash your hands often, and stay away from crowded places
, until an effective vaccine full of neutralizing antibodies and void of political influence is available. 5 -
Flu vaccines: had mine back in April (southern hemisphere)
Flu vaccine uptake was higher than usual in South Australia this year - which I put down to 3 reasons
1. vigilance because of Covid
2. a very bad flu season last year_ always results in higher uptake the following year
3. national requirement of nursing homes and hospitals for all staff/visitors/ patients (except emergencies) to be flu vaccinated.11 -
Thank you all for your kind wishes and condolences it really meant a lot to see people caring for someone they don’t even know ❤️.
The Moderna mRNA vaccine, which elicited antibodies and T cells specific for the Covid-19 virus in adults 55 years of age or younger, elicited similarly high levels of neutralizing-antibody and CD4 T-cell responses in older adults, including those 71 years of age or older. https://nej.md/33Ko7tu
Looks like the vaccine is moving along showing promising data. I know there is no clear time frame when a vaccine will be available though but I hope we start to know more soon.
I know it was talked about a few pages back but I personally will get the vaccine as soon as it is out especially since I work in health care.
I would not want or advise anyone I know to get it through until I saw more clear data and saw how the first doses go after a few months. But I’m okay being an experiment myself.7 -
My kids come home from college for a couple months at Thanksgiving, and I was planning on getting a flu shot 2-3 weeks before that. They are my biggest exposure, as I'm not going anywhere these days. DH was planning on first week October.
Saw my GP today for shoulder problem (easily could have been a 5 min phone call vs. office visit, grrr). Anyway, he asked if I had gotten a flu shot and I told him my 2-3 week before Thanksgiving plan and he nodded, didn't challenge the logic. Also gently chided me for several routine screenings I had been procrastinating for years before Covid hit, but that's a different topic.4 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
It seems that they think either the numbers are being underreported or that the TB Vaccine has helped. There was another article posted a while back on this same topic (about the TB Vaccine or the BCG Vaccine). It makes sense to me, but again, I'm not a scientist.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/tb-bcg-vaccine-coronavirus-study/index.html
There was a CA company doing a long term study on Fibromyalgia with the BCG Vaccine. A few of my scientist buddies on Linkedin were wondering aloud if the BCG vaccine might have any effect on preventing Covid-19 and were looking for data points. I actually introduced them to the CSO/Founder from the company (EpicGenics) that is doing the pilot study on women with Fibromyalgia that have been on the BCG vaccine for a couple of years. Now, obviously, I'm not privy to knowing what they are finding out, if anything.
I believe that Fibro, in part, is caused by a T cell imbalance. And EpicGenics theory, in short, at least for Fibro, was that the BCG Vaccine would help restore the ability of the T cells to fight off inflammation. Somehow though, they also believed that women with Fibromyalgia, though more prone to getting inflammation, were also ironically less prone to having bad outcomes with Covid-19. I hope I'm getting that right. Something to do with Th1 or Th2 dominance. I'm guessing that they are all thinking that the BCG vaccine is an immune modulator, meaning it will restore you to a better balance of T Cells, helping fight off the worst outcomes. If I'm butchering this, I apologize in advance.
But the influence of that old TB vaccine on T cells has been getting close attention. Perhaps as another layer of protection it might see some application, but with them being so close on a Covid-19 specific vaccine, likely not.
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