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  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    @lynn_glenmont and @T1DCarnivoreRunner
    I get both your positions, I brought it up initially as a "hmmmm" from something I remembered hearing last week. My giving the link and its references today was just to provide where I encountered it since there actually seemed to be interest in discussion its possible validity. At this point in time, I do not have the background to read that study (reference #2). Did either of you have better luck? I would have had to sit with a dictionary all day to even attempt it. The only comments I can add to this discussion are that a study was actually done, a doctor bothered to read and reference it (she had plenty to talk about without referencing it), and then an organization chose to write and article on the paper after reading it. It very well could be a case of garbage in garbage out, but it is worth a pause to see if there is anything of value in that study. I hope someone can actually read it! :)

    My understanding is that they created models of the virus and then tried to figure out how to make antibodies that circumvent the spike proteins. It doesn't sound like they had success, but still learned more about the structure of the virus and the spike proteins. Did you understand something different?
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,092 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    @lynn_glenmont and @T1DCarnivoreRunner
    I get both your positions, I brought it up initially as a "hmmmm" from something I remembered hearing last week. My giving the link and its references today was just to provide where I encountered it since there actually seemed to be interest in discussion its possible validity. At this point in time, I do not have the background to read that study (reference #2). Did either of you have better luck? I would have had to sit with a dictionary all day to even attempt it. The only comments I can add to this discussion are that a study was actually done, a doctor bothered to read and reference it (she had plenty to talk about without referencing it), and then an organization chose to write and article on the paper after reading it. It very well could be a case of garbage in garbage out, but it is worth a pause to see if there is anything of value in that study. I hope someone can actually read it! :)

    My understanding is that they created models of the virus and then tried to figure out how to make antibodies that circumvent the spike proteins. It doesn't sound like they had success, but still learned more about the structure of the virus and the spike proteins. Did you understand something different?

    That's pretty much what I got, except for the part about it not sounding like they had success. It sounded to me like the modeling and gaining insight from the modeling was their goal, and that they intended all along for that insight to be used by other researchers who work on antibody and vaccine development.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    I am sure that you are correct. But I can just imagine all that is going to go on in the news now. As it was, I regretted turning on the TV way too often these days.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    That was just discussed a bit on the news. Quarantine (I think they mentioned only 10?) or two negative tests over 24 hours apart. Speculation is that the second will be the faster path to returning to public campaigning. There was also speculation that President Trump may need to change his rally format. Time will tell.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    Maybe so but I firmly believe his care and monitoring will be best of the best vs. that poor little 90 yo 100 lb. old lady in the nursing home that's merely someone's mom or grandma who's...well, old already and clearly dispensable. :/

    Bitter much? Oh yeh.

    The nursing home stories were terrible and sad. In Massachusetts some people are being prosecuted and then NY state made some bad bad decisions when it came to the NYC nursing home. On the other hand, there are plenty of nursing homes that managed to properly protect and care for their residents.
  • Noreenmarie1234
    Noreenmarie1234 Posts: 7,492 Member
    edited October 2020
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    That was just discussed a bit on the news. Quarantine (I think they mentioned only 10?) or two negative tests over 24 hours apart. Speculation is that the second will be the faster path to returning to public campaigning. There was also speculation that President Trump may need to change his rally format. Time will tell.

    But if he is already positive, he will likely be positive for over 14 days anyways unless it was a false positive.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    That was just discussed a bit on the news. Quarantine (I think they mentioned only 10?) or two negative tests over 24 hours apart. Speculation is that the second will be the faster path to returning to public campaigning. There was also speculation that President Trump may need to change his rally format. Time will tell.

    But if he is already positive, he will likely be positive for over 14 days anyways unless it was a false positive.

    Not necessarily. From the reading I did earlier this week, testing is no where near as accurate as we all would hope. There is apparently a window during which one typically will test positive. Too early, negative, too late, negative. Then again, we have all heard those bizarre stories about a person testing positive for 100 days. Those are not the typical and who knows why one is different from the other. The links I shared here that are worth reading IMO are these. They definitely caught me by surprise:

    https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/when-should-i-be-tested
    https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/06/how-does-covid-19-antigen-test-work
    https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/08/did-we-have-covid-19
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    edited October 2020
    My relative tested negative but had a high fever for 10 days with the other common symptoms. Her doctor told her she clearly had it regardless of the negative result. The tests results are all over the place. Her results took almost a week to come back. It was the hottest part of the summer and how are those tests sent/stored. Surely everything is not in pristine condition when it arrives at the lab. If they lay around at the post office, only the Shadow knows. B)


  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    @Diatonic12 If you look at those article I linked, it would help you see how possible that could be even without the added potential impact of summer heat/storage.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.

    I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.
  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.

    I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.

    We’ve all heard of false negatives and positives. We know that in the beginning the close contact in planes and cruise ships helped quickly spread the disease. I realize that Air Force One is a huge plane, but just think of all the people he’s been in close contact with this week, all over the country, including our other presidential candidate. Biden and his wife tested negative today, but who knows what tomorrow brings.

    I’m not convinced of the timing of the acknowledgment that he and the First Lady tested positive. In the middle of the night? The President of the United States, when one of his closest aids had tested positive.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    edited October 2020
    SModa61 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    SModa61 wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Donald Trump and his wife test positive for Covid-19.

    Wow, just one more dynamic added to this already crazy election.

    I'm sure they will be fine as he has access to levels of treatment that most people don't.

    But 1 month from Election Day, quarantine for 14 days, so no campaigning around the country. They will have medical attention most people don’t receive, but no one is immune and he’s in the age group for risk factor.

    Yes, but can do some speaking from quarantine. Here's what bothers me: They found out about Hope Hicks testing positive as Marine One was taking off yesterday to head to Air Force One and go to a fundraiser. At that time, they took several people off Marine One because they had been in contact with Ms. Hicks. However, several others had been in close contact with her (including the President) and continued on to the fundraiser. Why? I'm not convinced they will take quarantine seriously.

    I would agree with you, but the only other factor could be the frequency of President Trump's testing. If I heard correctly today, he was negative yesterday morning. Do correct me if I heard wrong.

    He gets the Abbott rapid test daily, which is why I'm surprised he was showing symptoms starting Wed. night and yet continued to test negative. MSNBC had someone on that says the rapid tests have a 3 in 10 false negative rate, which is very high. Yet I thought the rapid testing had a high false positive rate. Is it just false in general?!

    ETA: After Gov. DeWine had a false positive from the rapid test before meeting with Trump, I'm sure he got a PCR test to be certain before releasing that he is positive.

    ETA again: Sorry, PCR is the rapid test... the antigen test is what I mean. The slow test...

    Also, saw something, I think from MIT, that says the rapid test has 100% false negative on day 1 of infection, down to 67% false negative on day 4, and down to 38% false negative rate when symptoms begin.

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