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  • lynn_glenmontlynn_glenmont Member Posts: 8,546 Member Member Posts: 8,546 Member
    ahoy_m8 wrote: »
    To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.

    Disease vector considerations:
    - short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
    - longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.

    Air flow considerations:
    - The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.

    In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?

    Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?
  • MikePfirrmanMikePfirrman Member Posts: 2,247 Member Member Posts: 2,247 Member
    ahoy_m8 wrote: »
    To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.

    Disease vector considerations:
    - short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
    - longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.

    Air flow considerations:
    - The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.

    In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?

    Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?

    It sounds OK to me. You might invest in a whole room air filter with UV (around $100) as well, but seems like most of what you're doing is sound. Not that I'm 100% sure that those air purifiers work on Covid-19, it just might give you more piece of mind. My son will likely come home for Thanksgiving. He's the only one. We'll ask him to ensure he's not around all his friends for the last week before he comes. He has to interact with people as part of his job but only with a mask on. It's a risk, for sure, but not one we're not willing to take to see him.

    But there won't be any large gathering this year. Also, we will give Halloween candy to a younger neighbor so they can give it out. This will be the first year I won't hand it out directly.

    I am concerned about Halloween, Thanksgiving and the subsequent Holidays, along with flu season. It will be very tricky to navigate.
    edited October 2020
  • ahoy_m8ahoy_m8 Member Posts: 2,186 Member Member Posts: 2,186 Member
    ahoy_m8 wrote: »
    To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.

    Disease vector considerations:
    - short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
    - longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.

    Air flow considerations:
    - The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.

    In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?

    Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?

    Yes, definitely ways to do that. I do think it would help!
  • ahoy_m8ahoy_m8 Member Posts: 2,186 Member Member Posts: 2,186 Member
    ahoy_m8 wrote: »
    To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.

    Disease vector considerations:
    - short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
    - longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.

    Air flow considerations:
    - The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.

    In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?

    Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?

    It sounds OK to me. You might invest in a whole room air filter with UV (around $100) as well, but seems like most of what you're doing is sound. Not that I'm 100% sure that those air purifiers work on Covid-19, it just might give you more piece of mind. My son will likely come home for Thanksgiving. He's the only one. We'll ask him to ensure he's not around all his friends for the last week before he comes. He has to interact with people as part of his job but only with a mask on. It's a risk, for sure, but not one we're not willing to take to see him.

    But there won't be any large gathering this year. Also, we will give Halloween candy to a younger neighbor so they can give it out. This will be the first year I won't hand it out directly.

    I am concerned about Halloween, Thanksgiving and the subsequent Holidays, along with flu season. It will be very tricky to navigate.

    Thanks for your take. Appreciate it a ton. We actually have a UV HEPA air filter unit. Hadn’t thought of using it in the carport. Maybe we should get one for each bedroom, as the kids isolate in their rooms.

    Wishing you the best with your son. In a way, I’m less concerned about their contacts before coming home than the long 2 months at home. Once their initial isolation is over, they will still want to have some contact with friends during that time, and outdoors will be harder to do. The sister who is a 7th grade math teacher is flat out exposed. It’s already tricky!
  • paperpuddingpaperpudding Member Posts: 6,295 Member Member Posts: 6,295 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
    People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
    Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.

    anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)

    anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)

    Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.

    What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.

    No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.

    Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.


    The international incomers quarantining for 2 weeks in supervised hotels is national across Australia; the state rules about interstate incomers vary between states, that is true
    As the Covid situation itself varies greatly between states.

    The hotel accomodation was initially paid for by the govt and all overseas citizens had until x date to return and have accomodation paid for.

    anyone returning after that date, must pay for their hotel accommodation themselves.

    Have not heard of case you mention so cant comment on that.

    There have, as in all countries, I suppose, been a few stupid people breaking the travel restriction rules.

  • SModa61SModa61 Member Posts: 1,086 Member Member Posts: 1,086 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
    People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
    Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.

    anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)

    anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)

    Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.

    What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.

    No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.

    Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.


    The international incomers quarantining for 2 weeks in supervised hotels is national across Australia; the state rules about interstate incomers vary between states, that is true
    As the Covid situation itself varies greatly between states.

    The hotel accomodation was initially paid for by the govt and all overseas citizens had until x date to return and have accomodation paid for.

    anyone returning after that date, must pay for their hotel accommodation themselves.

    Have not heard of case you mention so cant comment on that.

    There have, as in all countries, I suppose, been a few stupid people breaking the travel restriction rules.

    Nice that your government was paying for their overseas citizens' returns. As for the crazy woman, this is not the article I originally saw, but another covering the same story that I found. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53903498
  • kshama2001kshama2001 Member Posts: 23,138 Member Member Posts: 23,138 Member
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Can we not talk about Trump anymore? It's very hard to discuss him without it becoming at least somewhat political and quite frankly this is not the place for politics (regardless of your views).

    This is obviously one of the biggest current US impacts of Corona. I think it's working well so far -- people who feel like they can't discuss this without getting obviously political are clearly restraining themselves (or just commenting other places online). I think it's okay to MENTION that the leader of our country has been diagnosed with this illness and it isn't necessarily going to get political beyond that.

    That Trump and many members of his inner circle have now been diagnosed is going to influence how people approach this for the fall and winter, probably both for better and worse. Urging others to ignore the basic facts of the situation for the sake of "avoiding politics" is, in and of itself, a blatantly political choice.

    Speaking of the inner circle, from what I consider to be a fairly centrist source:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/10/06/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-tests-positive-for-covid-19/#1e0cbba01d60

    Trump Adviser Stephen Miller Tests Positive For Covid-19

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/06/joint-chiefs-of-staff-quarantining-after-top-coast-guard-official-tests-positive-for-covid-19/#6efd3ecf30fa

    The country’s top military leader, Gen. Mark Milley, and other members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are quarantining after the Coast Guard’s second-in-command tested positive for Covid-19 amid a worsening outbreak on Capitol Hill.
    edited October 2020
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Member, Premium Posts: 18,130 Member Member, Premium Posts: 18,130 Member
    Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
    People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
    Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.

    anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)

    anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)

    Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.

    What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.

    No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.

    Out of curiosity, @paperpudding, about the bolded: If someone gets a test for other reasons than symptoms or exposure, are they still required to isolate until results arrive? (For example, I had a test recently because it was required before my scheduled colonoscopy - I hadn't been in contact with anyone with Covid that anyone knew of, no symptoms, hadn't traveled, etc. - pure precaution.) Or is it that testing isn't done there unless symptomatic or exposed or something that those that would cause worry?
  • Copper_BoomCopper_Boom Member Posts: 85 Member Member Posts: 85 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    on holidays,

    -Halloween, i am making goodie bags 2 weeks in advance and quarantining them in boxes. then hopefully the weather is kind and I am going to set up a table at the end go the driveway. I am going to have hand sanitizing supplies setup and available, and I have skeleton salad tongs to dole out the bags. If no one comes, I will have confessions coming in my MFP diary afterwards. :P last year we had 76 kids. No COVID but also not a Saturday.

    I like your idea about Halloween. It is more effort into being safe than I expect most will put in. My neighborhood Facebook page indicates many will be taking their children trick-or-treating as usual this year, and see masks as sufficient. I made the mistake of remarking that trick or treating may not be prudent this year and no one agreed (at least publicly). I would rather turn off my porch light and just be the neighborhood grinch, but maybe putting a bowl of candy out on the porch is a lower effort compromise to appease the self-appointed Guardians of a Normal Halloween.
  • ReenieHJReenieHJ Member Posts: 4,968 Member Member Posts: 4,968 Member
    Everybody's talking about testing but call me skeptical. Exactly how reliable are the tests?? I hear so much about false positives/negatives or where they test negative this day but positive the next or vice versa. :( I guess I'm not putting all my faith in every test of positive/negative that I hear about. :(
  • SModa61SModa61 Member Posts: 1,086 Member Member Posts: 1,086 Member
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    Everybody's talking about testing but call me skeptical. Exactly how reliable are the tests?? I hear so much about false positives/negatives or where they test negative this day but positive the next or vice versa. :( I guess I'm not putting all my faith in every test of positive/negative that I hear about. :(

    I totally agree. I was shocking by the info I had stumbled on like a week and a half ago and the level of accuracy or inaccuracy. I was looking due to approaching holidays and potential travels to our florida condo, trying to see if tests could broaden our options. We decided that we will likely stay with the quarentine route.
  • missysippy930missysippy930 Member Posts: 2,392 Member Member Posts: 2,392 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    Massachusetts Governor Baker announced that he is not canceling Halloween this year, and this is what he said. “And the reason we’re not canceling Halloween is because that would have turned into thousands of indoor Halloween parties, which would have been a heck of a lot worse for public safety and for the spread of the virus than outdoor, organized, and supervised trick-or-treating.”

    He’s probably right, but if I had a child that age, I’d probably arrange some kind of virtual trick or treating event. Let them dress up, get treats they want, and hope for back to normal next year. Make it a special day and avoid possible exposure to other people you have no idea whether or not they’ve been exposed. It’s sad, but so many people have had to lose out on special events this year. With all the holidays coming up, a lot of occasions are going to be very different for many of us. 😷
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