Coronavirus prep
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Uh oh. My grocery store is out of toilet paper again...12
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »Uh oh. My grocery store is out of toilet paper again...
There was a blurb on my newsfeed last week saying there may be shortages of paper products and canned goods.1 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »Uh oh. My grocery store is out of toilet paper again...
I heard that warning about paper products a month ago and sure enough it was all gone at the time. Here the theory (just outside boston) was that it was all the parents buying paper supplies for their kids going back to college, and we have LOTS of colleges here. Yesterday, there was plenty in my local s&s, so maybe we are over our local hump, but I'm making a point of keeping about a month ahead of my needs.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.2 -
@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
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@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
That's a relief to know there's scope for proper treatment inhouse. Let's hope it works.2 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.
We practice a rigid difference between quarantine and isolation.
Quarantine - for persons who may have been exposed due to travel or interaction with a known case. That can be institutional or self quarantine depending on the circumstances.
Isolation - in a designated facility for persons who've tested positive. No discharge until satisfying certain criteria as mentioned earlier. By the way, that facility is NOT the hospital, as we're doing all we can to protect other sick and vulnerable persons in there.4 -
@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.14 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.
We practice a rigid difference between quarantine and isolation.
Quarantine - for persons who may have been exposed due to travel or interaction with a known case. That can be institutional or self quarantine depending on the circumstances.
Isolation - in a designated facility for persons who've tested positive. No discharge until satisfying certain criteria as mentioned earlier. By the way, that facility is NOT the hospital, as we're doing all we can to protect other sick and vulnerable persons in there.
Here the terms seem to be somewhat interchangeable. Very few of the people diagnosed stay in the hospital or a special facility. Most are told to isolate at home until and unless they're no longer capable of managing at home due to a worsening condition. I'd doubt my provinces ability to set up an adequate system of facilities to take care of these people even if they were willing to do so. Given the horror stories that have been coming out of the long-term care facilities the last several months I think I'd rather take my chances at home.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to pesos that the White House staff and the Presidents physicians are capable of arranging suitable care and have access to any and all of the necessary PPE. If you can get your hands on an antibody cocktail made in a hamsters ovaries then you can get your hands on some hospital grade masks , face shields, scrubs and latex gloves.
Plus I'd imagine that the only people who are going to be attending the President in his medical suite are medical professionals. Seems like this is preferable to staying in the hospital for both the President and the hospital. Forget taking up a hospital bed; with the security concerns and personnel required they were probably taking up a quarter of a floor.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
Yes, in the latest video, he took off his mask, posed, saluted, waved, and went inside, maskless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiUk03MUfs 7 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to pesos that the White House staff and the Presidents physicians are capable of arranging suitable care and have access to any and all of the necessary PPE. If you can get your hands on an antibody cocktail made in a hamsters ovaries then you can get your hands on some hospital grade masks , face shields, scrubs and latex gloves.
Again, suitable care for HIM, but there have been lots of stories lately about lack of mask wearing inside the White House.8 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to pesos that the White House staff and the Presidents physicians are capable of arranging suitable care and have access to any and all of the necessary PPE. If you can get your hands on an antibody cocktail made in a hamsters ovaries then you can get your hands on some hospital grade masks , face shields, scrubs and latex gloves.
Plus I'd imagine that the only people who are going to be attending the President in his medical suite are medical professionals. Seems like this is preferable to staying in the hospital for both the President and the hospital. Forget taking up a hospital bed; with the security concerns and personnel required they were probably taking up a quarter of a floor.
Oh, I totally agree with you such a person COULD get a hold of hospitable grade masks, face shields, scrubs, and latex gloves if he cared remotely about the well-being of people who cook for him, serve his food, clean his home, etc. However, a person who regularly mocks the wearing of mask HAS NOT chosen to make sure that lower-paid working-class residence staff with far fewer options, especially when the hospitality industry has been shut down by COVID, are supplied with hospitable grade masks, face shields, scrubs, and latex gloves. They have told reporters that they have had to supply their own masks.
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Getting too far into a partisan area for my preference. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the advantages/disadvantages of the President receiving home care vs hospital care at this point.7
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.
We practice a rigid difference between quarantine and isolation.
Quarantine - for persons who may have been exposed due to travel or interaction with a known case. That can be institutional or self quarantine depending on the circumstances.
Isolation - in a designated facility for persons who've tested positive. No discharge until satisfying certain criteria as mentioned earlier. By the way, that facility is NOT the hospital, as we're doing all we can to protect other sick and vulnerable persons in there.
Interesting! Ours our quite distinct too, but the terms are other way around!
Those returning from overseas go into "managed isolation" facilities until 2 weeks have passed, and two negative tests returned.
Those with covid-19 go into "quarantine" facilities (or transferred to hospitals if needed).
If a person has a cold and gets a covid test, or is potentially a contact of a case, then they go into "self-isolation" while waiting on test results.2 -
@jo_nz An interesting approach. In Ontario (and probably in all of Canada) it's a self-isolation system for travellers and people who have a COVID diagnosis or COVID like symptoms. I don't believe it would be constitutional to require patients to stay in a particular facility until released here.0
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Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
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With the very best care available anywhere, at either the White House, or in the hospital, it’s kind of a moot point where he is. Which brings up the question of why he was sent to the hospital at all. As far as exposure of people living or employed at the White House, they’ve been exposed. Hopefully, the covid positive people are being isolated, and mask wearing, social distancing and hygiene practices are being observed by others. If not, it’s on them. You can lead a mule to water etc. Time will tell.2
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
Very true. I neglected that aspect2 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.
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missysippy930 wrote: »With the very best care available anywhere, at either the White House, or in the hospital, it’s kind of a moot point where he is. Which brings up the question of why he was sent to the hospital at all. As far as exposure of people living or employed at the White House, they’ve been exposed. Hopefully, the covid positive people are being isolated, and mask wearing, social distancing and hygiene practices are being observed by others. If not, it’s on them. You can lead a mule to water etc. Time will tell.
The New York Times reported yesterday that WH aids who wanted testing were told no. So even if they or staff have it, many wouldn't even know they had it in order to isolate. There's no contact tracing going on either. I'm not trying to be political at all, these have been direct reports from direct people involved.13 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to pesos that the White House staff and the Presidents physicians are capable of arranging suitable care and have access to any and all of the necessary PPE. If you can get your hands on an antibody cocktail made in a hamsters ovaries then you can get your hands on some hospital grade masks , face shields, scrubs and latex gloves.
Plus I'd imagine that the only people who are going to be attending the President in his medical suite are medical professionals. Seems like this is preferable to staying in the hospital for both the President and the hospital. Forget taking up a hospital bed; with the security concerns and personnel required they were probably taking up a quarter of a floor.
Walter Reed is a military hospital that is permanently set up with an area for the president (or other select individuals) so they were not taking up a quarter of a floor that would typically be used for "regular" patients.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/walter-reed-medical-center-inside-storied-hospital-where-trump-being-n12419877 -
Can we not talk about Trump anymore? It's very hard to discuss him without it becoming at least somewhat political and quite frankly this is not the place for politics (regardless of your views).12
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Can we not talk about Trump anymore? It's very hard to discuss him without it becoming at least somewhat political and quite frankly this is not the place for politics (regardless of your views).
I disagree. This topic is about covid and has been going strong for months. A lot of good information and exchange of opinions during this time. The issue shouldn’t be political. So many countries handled this better than the US. My opinion, btw, everyone is entitled to their own, and maybe some of us are pushing the boundaries a bit. As with most topics choose to read them or not. We are all adults. I’m looking for some honest logic from different opinions. Trying to understand.
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The White House is currently an ever evolving lesson on Covid-19 that many have been denying in the country. I think talking about that, even if you leave out the President's name, is a very important lesson in science.
It's an incredibly contagious and potentially very deadly disease. That fact, as evidenced by the Rose Garden party, needs to be discussed, so people can be safe this Fall and Winter and not believe things like, "this is in the rear view mirror". People have already died listening to bad advice.
This thread is called Coronavirus prep.15 -
Can we not talk about Trump anymore? It's very hard to discuss him without it becoming at least somewhat political and quite frankly this is not the place for politics (regardless of your views).
This is obviously one of the biggest current US impacts of Corona. I think it's working well so far -- people who feel like they can't discuss this without getting obviously political are clearly restraining themselves (or just commenting other places online). I think it's okay to MENTION that the leader of our country has been diagnosed with this illness and it isn't necessarily going to get political beyond that.
That Trump and many members of his inner circle have now been diagnosed is going to influence how people approach this for the fall and winter, probably both for better and worse. Urging others to ignore the basic facts of the situation for the sake of "avoiding politics" is, in and of itself, a blatantly political choice.16 -
To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?6 -
Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.9 -
To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?5
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