Coronavirus prep
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To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?
Or drive through flu-shot events, as there are here?5 -
There are reports that two White House housekeeping staff who've been diagnosed with Covid.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/10/05/white-house-outbreak-grows-2-housekeeping-staffers-test-positive-told-to-use-discretion-discussing-it/
For those outside the US: Forbes is generally regarded as centrist to center-right, as some context.8 -
To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?
The Walgreens around here don't advertise appointments but to be honest I never really checked if you could get an appointment. I went in and got mine about 8PM on a Sunday night, nobody around, in and out in 5 minutes.5 -
@rheddmobile I've been seeing pretty much the same thing at the school near me. It looks like they're staggering recess so it's just one class at a time. It must be like herding cats to keep all the kids 6 feet apart while playing. It doesn't look like the teachers are having a great success at it, which I really can't blame them for. 2 or 3 adults keeping perfect control of the personal space of 30 kids over a 4 acre field? The adults are losing that battle every single time.2
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »@jo_nz An interesting approach. In Ontario (and probably in all of Canada) it's a self-isolation system for travellers and people who have a COVID diagnosis or COVID like symptoms. I don't believe it would be constitutional to require patients to stay in a particular facility until released here.
Here (U.S.), adult patients have a whole lot of latitude to refuse treatment as long as they are of sound mind. However, people who are considered a threat to themselves or others may be held against their own wishes. I am not a constitutional law expert, but someone who has Covid and refuses to isolate or even wear a mask sounds like someone who is a threat to others.8 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?
The Walgreens around here don't advertise appointments but to be honest I never really checked if you could get an appointment. I went in and got mine about 8PM on a Sunday night, nobody around, in and out in 5 minutes.
Similar here (west TN)... I haven't heard anything about appointments, but went to the local Walgreens around 6p yesterday and was able to get a flu shot with little wait. I didn't even think about an appointment. I just went when I can and took the chance as to whether I get poked by the pretty pharmacist this year.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »@jo_nz An interesting approach. In Ontario (and probably in all of Canada) it's a self-isolation system for travellers and people who have a COVID diagnosis or COVID like symptoms. I don't believe it would be constitutional to require patients to stay in a particular facility until released here.
Here (U.S.), adult patients have a whole lot of latitude to refuse treatment as long as they are of sound mind. However, people who are considered a threat to themselves or others may be held against their own wishes. I am not a constitutional law expert, but someone who has Covid and refuses to isolate or even wear a mask sounds like someone who is a threat to others.
If they refuse to isolate, sure. Here if you have it and leave your home then you're subject to a hefty fine. If you continue then you can be detained and held. I've only heard of a few cases of it getting as far as the fine though. Mostly everyone is compliant with the isolation rules.
My concern with an involuntary detainment is that it would likely cause some people with covid like symptoms not to seek testing and treatment over fears of being detained afterwards.3 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »@jo_nz An interesting approach. In Ontario (and probably in all of Canada) it's a self-isolation system for travellers and people who have a COVID diagnosis or COVID like symptoms. I don't believe it would be constitutional to require patients to stay in a particular facility until released here.
Here (U.S.), adult patients have a whole lot of latitude to refuse treatment as long as they are of sound mind. However, people who are considered a threat to themselves or others may be held against their own wishes. I am not a constitutional law expert, but someone who has Covid and refuses to isolate or even wear a mask sounds like someone who is a threat to others.
If they refuse to isolate, sure. Here if you have it and leave your home then you're subject to a hefty fine. If you continue then you can be detained and held. I've only heard of a few cases of it getting as far as the fine though. Mostly everyone is compliant with the isolation rules.
My concern with an involuntary detainment is that it would likely cause some people with covid like symptoms not to seek testing and treatment over fears of being detained afterwards.
Those are the people who will go out and infect everyone else whether they have or have not been tested. The outcome is no different, except no testing means the numbers look better in total. If that is a big group, then maybe it could make a big difference on total numbers. The fact that they go out and spread it doesn't change simply because they didn't want the government to find out they had it.1 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.
We practice a rigid difference between quarantine and isolation.
Quarantine - for persons who may have been exposed due to travel or interaction with a known case. That can be institutional or self quarantine depending on the circumstances.
Isolation - in a designated facility for persons who've tested positive. No discharge until satisfying certain criteria as mentioned earlier. By the way, that facility is NOT the hospital, as we're doing all we can to protect other sick and vulnerable persons in there.
Yeah, that would never fly in the states. If you test positive, you are required to self isolate, and it is generally at home unless you require hospital care...but we definitely don't put people in a designated facility...all hell would break lose here.
One of my good friends came down with COVID and spent a few days at home and then went to the hospital because his condition took a turn for the worse...he spent a few days there and then was discharged as he had stabilized and continued his isolation at home.
In the case of the POTUS, the WH has medical staff on hand that can watch him and in theory he will be isolated for the requisite period of time there. That said, I wouldn't be terribly shocked if he ends up back at Walter Reed in the next week or two though...6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?
The Walgreens around here don't advertise appointments but to be honest I never really checked if you could get an appointment. I went in and got mine about 8PM on a Sunday night, nobody around, in and out in 5 minutes.
I think the appointments might be new this year, bc of covid.0 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »@tonyB0588 and @stevehenderson776 One thing that make it hard to compare to normal. Inside the White House is a full staffed medical suite. On the news this morning, they were saying that even a surgery could be performed in that suite. That quite possibly changes whether or not it is safe to allow the President to return to the White House in contrast to you or I being released to our traditional homes (lucky if I find a good bandaid sometimes).
It may be safe for him to return to the White House, but what about the staff who work in the residence and have to have direct contact with an active covid patient who can't be depended on to wear a mask? If a covid patient is in a hospital, medical staff only go into the patient's room when necessary, with all the PPE that's available. I'm doubting the folks who clean their rooms and bring them their meals are going to get medical-grade PPE.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to pesos that the White House staff and the Presidents physicians are capable of arranging suitable care and have access to any and all of the necessary PPE. If you can get your hands on an antibody cocktail made in a hamsters ovaries then you can get your hands on some hospital grade masks , face shields, scrubs and latex gloves.
Plus I'd imagine that the only people who are going to be attending the President in his medical suite are medical professionals. Seems like this is preferable to staying in the hospital for both the President and the hospital. Forget taking up a hospital bed; with the security concerns and personnel required they were probably taking up a quarter of a floor.
Actually, where the bolded is concerned, Walter Reed is a military facility and does not typically treat civilians and is typically reserved for the top brass of the armed forces as well as members of congress and the POTUS and family and staffers and the VP and family. It is also dubbed "The President's Hospital" because it has a six room Presidential Suite reserved exclusively for the POTUS and/or family.
In that regard, he isn't/wasn't taking up a bed that would or could otherwise be used...if POTUS isn't there, that space is not occupied.9 -
To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?
It sounds OK to me. You might invest in a whole room air filter with UV (around $100) as well, but seems like most of what you're doing is sound. Not that I'm 100% sure that those air purifiers work on Covid-19, it just might give you more piece of mind. My son will likely come home for Thanksgiving. He's the only one. We'll ask him to ensure he's not around all his friends for the last week before he comes. He has to interact with people as part of his job but only with a mask on. It's a risk, for sure, but not one we're not willing to take to see him.
But there won't be any large gathering this year. Also, we will give Halloween candy to a younger neighbor so they can give it out. This will be the first year I won't hand it out directly.
I am concerned about Halloween, Thanksgiving and the subsequent Holidays, along with flu season. It will be very tricky to navigate.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?
Yes, definitely ways to do that. I do think it would help!0 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Is there any way you could set up a fan that would pull air toward the ceiling?
It sounds OK to me. You might invest in a whole room air filter with UV (around $100) as well, but seems like most of what you're doing is sound. Not that I'm 100% sure that those air purifiers work on Covid-19, it just might give you more piece of mind. My son will likely come home for Thanksgiving. He's the only one. We'll ask him to ensure he's not around all his friends for the last week before he comes. He has to interact with people as part of his job but only with a mask on. It's a risk, for sure, but not one we're not willing to take to see him.
But there won't be any large gathering this year. Also, we will give Halloween candy to a younger neighbor so they can give it out. This will be the first year I won't hand it out directly.
I am concerned about Halloween, Thanksgiving and the subsequent Holidays, along with flu season. It will be very tricky to navigate.
Thanks for your take. Appreciate it a ton. We actually have a UV HEPA air filter unit. Hadn’t thought of using it in the carport. Maybe we should get one for each bedroom, as the kids isolate in their rooms.
Wishing you the best with your son. In a way, I’m less concerned about their contacts before coming home than the long 2 months at home. Once their initial isolation is over, they will still want to have some contact with friends during that time, and outdoors will be harder to do. The sister who is a 7th grade math teacher is flat out exposed. It’s already tricky!4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.
The international incomers quarantining for 2 weeks in supervised hotels is national across Australia; the state rules about interstate incomers vary between states, that is true
As the Covid situation itself varies greatly between states.
The hotel accomodation was initially paid for by the govt and all overseas citizens had until x date to return and have accomodation paid for.
anyone returning after that date, must pay for their hotel accommodation themselves.
Have not heard of case you mention so cant comment on that.
There have, as in all countries, I suppose, been a few stupid people breaking the travel restriction rules.
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rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Just some ideas that you can look into in your area. For me, I got my flue shot at a pop up at my grocery store exit. (Doubt that helps your mom) But a couple hours earlier, at a local Walgreens I saw them hosting something they called flu shot friday and they had an open air tent set up in the parking lot with social distanced seating for those receiving and those waiting for their shots. My husband got his flu shot at walgreens (store is pretty darned empty every time I go in) and set up an appointment online in advance. In my parents case, 85 and 83, they called the local senior center that turns out is running flu shot clinics. Now I don't know if you are seeking the senior shots as they are harder to find. My parents are getting that at the senior center, and my community facebook group announced when our local walgreens got another supply in.
Based on these experiences, with a few phone calls and/or facebook posts, you might be able to track down a local business that is offering flu shots without your mom going into a medical facility. Good luck!
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on holidays,
-Halloween, i am making goodie bags 2 weeks in advance and quarantining them in boxes. then hopefully the weather is kind and I am going to set up a table at the end go the driveway. I am going to have hand sanitizing supplies setup and available, and I have skeleton salad tongs to dole out the bags. If no one comes, I will have confessions coming in my MFP diary afterwards. :P last year we had 76 kids. No COVID but also not a Saturday.
- Thanksgiving, conversations have begun. It is either going to be very small or not at all. Regardless, everyone that has ever come is local so no distance travel considerations. We'll sort it out for real in a month
- Xmas - too far way.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.
The international incomers quarantining for 2 weeks in supervised hotels is national across Australia; the state rules about interstate incomers vary between states, that is true
As the Covid situation itself varies greatly between states.
The hotel accomodation was initially paid for by the govt and all overseas citizens had until x date to return and have accomodation paid for.
anyone returning after that date, must pay for their hotel accommodation themselves.
Have not heard of case you mention so cant comment on that.
There have, as in all countries, I suppose, been a few stupid people breaking the travel restriction rules.
Nice that your government was paying for their overseas citizens' returns. As for the crazy woman, this is not the article I originally saw, but another covering the same story that I found. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-539034980 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »To steer the Rose Garden scenario towards a "prep" discussion.... DH and I are thinking of creating an outdoor living room in our carport. While it is really nice spending time outside now, we are thinking about December-January when our 2 college students will be living at home.
Disease vector considerations:
- short term: Both girls have excellent access to Covid testing and will test before returning home. They will isolate and retest, but that won't happen by Thanksgiving so we will be celebrating that outside. I think it will be nice. Different, but ok.
- longer term: The 3rd sister will be teaching 7th graders up until Xmas eve practically, and the 3 will gather over the months everyone is in town. I learned from the first shelter in place that I just cannot keep them apart. They need each other more than ever with reduced social outlets. So they need a place to do that safely in more inclement weather.
Air flow considerations:
- The carport is open on one side (3-car) with walls on the other 3 sides. The walls alternate brick (load bearing) and wood panels with 2 foot gaps at ceiling and floor.
In light of the Rose Garden, I'm seriously doubting that this space will provide enough air flow. Of course, experts speculate transmission was more likely during the subsequent indoor reception, but still, I wonder if it is enough and if the effort is worthwhile. Is anyone else doing anything similar?
Restaurants around here are trying to come up with some sort of tent like option that might be similar.
Here, for my own back yard, I just think it will be too cold for anything useable that's largely outdoors. I'm pretty worried about how this is going to be when it gets cold again.rheddmobile wrote: »Changing the subject... twice recently I have run past playgrounds, at two different locations, which are now open and full of children from different households playing together, sharing slides and climbing tubes, hugging and wrestling, no masks, no distancing. Since schools are now open I guess parents figure they might as well throw caution to the winds? Since yesterday we had 115 new cases in the county, it’s making me a little angry that our governor and others are pretending this is over when it’s not.
Public schools aren't open for in person schooling here yet, but there are various sports going on, and so I see groups of kids reasonably often. Some parents are doing pods where a smaller group of kids are getting together, but otherwise socially distancing, so perhaps (thinking positively) it's something like that?My mom, meanwhile, is desperate to get a flu shot, but the problem is she can’t get one without doing something much more risky than she has done previously - going to a building full of sick people and waiting for half an hour, then being within arm’s reach of a probably infected health care worker giving the shot. Since she’s completely isolated and isolation will prevent flu transmission as well as Covid, it is much less risky for her NOT to get a flu shot, but she’s hearing the news saying everyone should get one this year.
Is there not the "make an appt at Walgreens" option there?
The Walgreens around here don't advertise appointments but to be honest I never really checked if you could get an appointment. I went in and got mine about 8PM on a Sunday night, nobody around, in and out in 5 minutes.
I had an appt. Monday at Walgreens to get my flu shot. I show up and they're all out.
Really?? I had an appt.? 10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Can we not talk about Trump anymore? It's very hard to discuss him without it becoming at least somewhat political and quite frankly this is not the place for politics (regardless of your views).
This is obviously one of the biggest current US impacts of Corona. I think it's working well so far -- people who feel like they can't discuss this without getting obviously political are clearly restraining themselves (or just commenting other places online). I think it's okay to MENTION that the leader of our country has been diagnosed with this illness and it isn't necessarily going to get political beyond that.
That Trump and many members of his inner circle have now been diagnosed is going to influence how people approach this for the fall and winter, probably both for better and worse. Urging others to ignore the basic facts of the situation for the sake of "avoiding politics" is, in and of itself, a blatantly political choice.
Speaking of the inner circle, from what I consider to be a fairly centrist source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/10/06/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-tests-positive-for-covid-19/#1e0cbba01d60
Trump Adviser Stephen Miller Tests Positive For Covid-19
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/06/joint-chiefs-of-staff-quarantining-after-top-coast-guard-official-tests-positive-for-covid-19/#6efd3ecf30fa
The country’s top military leader, Gen. Mark Milley, and other members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are quarantining after the Coast Guard’s second-in-command tested positive for Covid-19 amid a worsening outbreak on Capitol Hill.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Out of curiosity, @paperpudding, about the bolded: If someone gets a test for other reasons than symptoms or exposure, are they still required to isolate until results arrive? (For example, I had a test recently because it was required before my scheduled colonoscopy - I hadn't been in contact with anyone with Covid that anyone knew of, no symptoms, hadn't traveled, etc. - pure precaution.) Or is it that testing isn't done there unless symptomatic or exposed or something that those that would cause worry?1 -
on holidays,
-Halloween, i am making goodie bags 2 weeks in advance and quarantining them in boxes. then hopefully the weather is kind and I am going to set up a table at the end go the driveway. I am going to have hand sanitizing supplies setup and available, and I have skeleton salad tongs to dole out the bags. If no one comes, I will have confessions coming in my MFP diary afterwards. :P last year we had 76 kids. No COVID but also not a Saturday.
I like your idea about Halloween. It is more effort into being safe than I expect most will put in. My neighborhood Facebook page indicates many will be taking their children trick-or-treating as usual this year, and see masks as sufficient. I made the mistake of remarking that trick or treating may not be prudent this year and no one agreed (at least publicly). I would rather turn off my porch light and just be the neighborhood grinch, but maybe putting a bowl of candy out on the porch is a lower effort compromise to appease the self-appointed Guardians of a Normal Halloween.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Not that I am from australia, but from a story about a woman there, even state to state requires the hotel isolation as one end is likely not your second home. And the two week hotel cost is on the individual's dime. The story that I read was about a women who was supposed to fly to her boyfriend and hotel quarantine first and then instead skipped the flight where should could be tracked and hitch hiked directly to her boyfriend and avoid the quarentine and its cost. Or at least, that was the spin in the article.
The international incomers quarantining for 2 weeks in supervised hotels is national across Australia; the state rules about interstate incomers vary between states, that is true
As the Covid situation itself varies greatly between states.
The hotel accomodation was initially paid for by the govt and all overseas citizens had until x date to return and have accomodation paid for.
anyone returning after that date, must pay for their hotel accommodation themselves.
Have not heard of case you mention so cant comment on that.
There have, as in all countries, I suppose, been a few stupid people breaking the travel restriction rules.
Nice that your government was paying for their overseas citizens' returns. As for the crazy woman, this is not the article I originally saw, but another covering the same story that I found. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53903498
Serves her right - am 100% behind such sentences for people blatantly flaunting laws- and that wasnt a little flaunt, like having 2 more people at your gathering than allowed or somesuch - it was very planned deliberate and serious breaking of the law.
as you can see by that link - different states have different rules about their borders and people coming in from other states.
although these are constantly changing - so what were the rules in the article, in August, have since been changed.
But still different state by state.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia, people coming from overseas are put into hotel supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
People travelling from some states into other states - self isolation at home for 2 weeks.
Police can and do randomly check that you are doing so.
anyone getting tested - self isolation at home until test result (usually next day results)
anyone positive - self isolation at home for 2 weeks. (unless hospitalised, of course - then complete the 2 weeks after discharge)
Self isolation means you stay at home and do not mix with other people masked or not. You stay in your own home, you do not go out in cars or public promotions and nobody visits you.
What Trump is doing post discharge would certainly not be allowed here.
No political statement - just facts about Covid rules.
Out of curiosity, @paperpudding, about the bolded: If someone gets a test for other reasons than symptoms or exposure, are they still required to isolate until results arrive? (For example, I had a test recently because it was required before my scheduled colonoscopy - I hadn't been in contact with anyone with Covid that anyone knew of, no symptoms, hadn't traveled, etc. - pure precaution.) Or is it that testing isn't done there unless symptomatic or exposed or something that those that would cause worry?
Keep in mind that Australia has 6 states and 2 mainland territories
(some small faraway island territories like Norfolk Island - but I have no idea what Covid situation is there)
so rules are not same in all of them.
Here in South Australia you get tested if you are symptomatic,no matter how mild, or if you have any direct or indirect contact with a case.
and self isolate until results - usually next day.
that is separate to returned travellers or exempt interstate workers (truck drivers, for example)
You do not need to get tested prior to procedures - my husband went to hospital as an outpatient for an echocardiogram last week and my mother goes to hospital for outpatient chemotherapy - they were not tested.
Keep in mind that community transmisson in SA is next to nil now.
There are currently 3 active cases in the entire state (about 1.8 million people) and all of those are returned travellers in self isolation or quarantine.
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Everybody's talking about testing but call me skeptical. Exactly how reliable are the tests?? I hear so much about false positives/negatives or where they test negative this day but positive the next or vice versa. I guess I'm not putting all my faith in every test of positive/negative that I hear about. 3
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Everybody's talking about testing but call me skeptical. Exactly how reliable are the tests?? I hear so much about false positives/negatives or where they test negative this day but positive the next or vice versa. I guess I'm not putting all my faith in every test of positive/negative that I hear about.
I totally agree. I was shocking by the info I had stumbled on like a week and a half ago and the level of accuracy or inaccuracy. I was looking due to approaching holidays and potential travels to our florida condo, trying to see if tests could broaden our options. We decided that we will likely stay with the quarentine route.3 -
Everybody's talking about testing but call me skeptical. Exactly how reliable are the tests?? I hear so much about false positives/negatives or where they test negative this day but positive the next or vice versa. I guess I'm not putting all my faith in every test of positive/negative that I hear about.
The type of test seems to matter a lot as far as accuracy. The original option of the nasal swab is still the best, from what I've read, followed by the saliva tests. The least accurate is those quick-tests that the government was relying on for people who, as an example, were going to have contact with the President. The quick-tests, with results in less than 15 minutes, possibly only have about 50 percent accuracy.
The other problem is that we are still not sure how long it takes from exposure to the virus to the time you would test positive. If you are known to be exposed today, you wouldn't get a positive test tomorrow. So, the timing of the test really matters, too.8 -
Massachusetts Governor Baker announced that he is not canceling Halloween this year, and this is what he said. “And the reason we’re not canceling Halloween is because that would have turned into thousands of indoor Halloween parties, which would have been a heck of a lot worse for public safety and for the spread of the virus than outdoor, organized, and supervised trick-or-treating.”
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Massachusetts Governor Baker announced that he is not canceling Halloween this year, and this is what he said. “And the reason we’re not canceling Halloween is because that would have turned into thousands of indoor Halloween parties, which would have been a heck of a lot worse for public safety and for the spread of the virus than outdoor, organized, and supervised trick-or-treating.”
He’s probably right, but if I had a child that age, I’d probably arrange some kind of virtual trick or treating event. Let them dress up, get treats they want, and hope for back to normal next year. Make it a special day and avoid possible exposure to other people you have no idea whether or not they’ve been exposed. It’s sad, but so many people have had to lose out on special events this year. With all the holidays coming up, a lot of occasions are going to be very different for many of us. 😷4
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