Coronavirus prep
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
Here I am going out onto very, very thin ice, especially considering the site I am on right now.
I am talking only about people I know, or have had enough interaction with in my real personal life to have a somewhat well=founded opinion.
There are some people who can't wear a mask for overpowering psychological reasons, or serious physical illness/health condition and I feel sympathy for them. Among those I know (not numerous, and not extreme cases), they are being very cautious in other ways, for example, using delivery when possible as kshama suggests, and somehow toughing out the rules as best they can when needs must (such as in-person medical exams).
There are people who don't want to be ordered to wear a mask because "freedom" and/or "when it's my time, I'll just have to go, and if it's not my time, I'll be OK".
Imagine a Venn diagram. There is a circle for the set of people who are very, very extremely out of shape (and usually obese) but otherwise semi-healthy (in the sense of not having major health issues that healthier lifestyle wouldn't address). There is a circle for the set of people who can't wear a mask because they can't breath, but they're not in either of the two groups I sketched in previous paragraphs. These people \ have difficulty breathing in some common real-life situations even without a mask. The two circles imagined in this paragraph have a significant overlap. The people in the 2nd set are also at significantly increased risk if they do become infected.
Again, this is among people I *actually know*. It's not an observation about anyone I *don't know* or haven't met.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing normal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexibility because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
You sound like you are being sarcastic but I am going to answer you seriously
By "normal activities" - do you mean like food shopping? Then they should stay home and get grocery delivery. Here in Massachusetts they would not have a choice. I have not seen a single mask-less person in a supermarket since April (there were town ordinances requiring it before the state-wide mask mandate went into effect in May.)
(Of course, CORRECT mask wearing is another story. I have seen a fair amount of masks being under the nose, and, what really gets me, people pulling down their mask to talk to shopping partners or on the phone >.<)
I didn't read his comment as sarcastic, but suggesting that someone who has trouble with a mask would have extra trouble with COVID.
He's in Central IL, and no clue about that area, but on the North side of Chicago stores and buildings in general have 100% mask compliance from what I see (but like you said often not covering the nose). We also have the laws although kind of hard to enforce as is the issue throughout the country.
Outside, even though one cannot reliably social distance here, masks are less common, especially among younger people, but I suspect it's a lower risk even not distanced outdoors.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
Here I am going out onto very, very thin ice, especially considering the site I am on right now.
I am talking only about people I know, or have had enough interaction with in my real personal life to have a somewhat well=founded opinion.
There are some people who can't wear a mask for overpowering psychological reasons, or serious physical illness/health condition and I feel sympathy for them. Among those I know (not numerous, and not extreme cases), they are being very cautious in other ways, for example, using delivery when possible as kshama suggests, and somehow toughing out the rules as best they can when needs must (such as in-person medical exams).
There are people who don't want to be ordered to wear a mask because "freedom" and/or "when it's my time, I'll just have to go, and if it's not my time, I'll be OK".
Imagine a Venn diagram. There is a circle for the set of people who are very, very extremely out of shape (and usually obese) but otherwise semi-healthy (in the sense of not having major health issues that healthier lifestyle wouldn't address). There is a circle for the set of people who can't wear a mask because they can't breath, but they're not in either of the two groups I sketched in previous paragraphs. These people \ have difficulty breathing in some common real-life situations even without a mask. The two circles imagined in this paragraph have a significant overlap. The people in the 2nd set are also at significantly increased risk if they do become infected.
Again, this is among people I *actually know*. It's not an observation about anyone I *don't know* or haven't met.
The vast majority of people I see not wearing masks are (1) 20s and 30s age people, often with kids, and (2) tourists (this is on the days I go downtown). Maybe there are other factors, but these seem to be a pattern. It's annoying since typically those not wearing masks outside (buildings here are pretty strict) don't try to social distance outside. At traffic lights while walking people will get right up next to you while yelling on a phone or some such, which I consider quite rude as yelling makes spread more likely. But eh, what can you do? It's mostly not political here (expect potentially the tourists), as there's not actually any political diversity here (group one are going to be liberal or even more to the left than the older folks I know (and me) who wear the masks. They just feel invulnerable and no one actually likes wearing a mask.)
I voted on Thursday (overall a great experience) and the woman in front of me had no mask (I think they made her put one on to go in) and was clueless about distancing despite there being the painted marks on the sidewalk. She was African-American, so again I doubt it was a political thing. (I am not interpreting you as saying it is, just observations.)3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
It's a fair point, but wearing a mask does very little to keep them from catching it. Masks are most useful when someone is spreading when already infected - even if that person is asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, or paucisymptomatic. What bugs me most about anti-maskers is that they are getting the benefit from those of us care about fellow citizens and wear a mask, but they don't return the courtesy.
One person's "very little" is another person's "meaningfully significant," I guess. The benefits to the mask wearer are less than the benefits to those in their vicinity, if the mask wearer is infected, but from what I have read, there are, to me, meaningful benefits to the mask wearer.
Reports I have seen of physical tests of masks (not transmission tests with human subjects, which I think would be unethical) have found 40% reduction in viral particles to me if I wear a mask and the other person isn't, at less than six feet, and a reduction of about half the remaining particles when the other person is wearing a mask (i.e., from 10% getting through to 5% getting through). I believe the studies I saw were with cotton cloth masks, but the reporting wasn't always clear.
To me that would seem well worth wearing a mask, completely apart apart from my moral obligation to try to avoid becoming part of the transmission chain if I'm unknowingly infected.9 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing normal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexibility because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
You sound like you are being sarcastic but I am going to answer you seriously
By "normal activities" - do you mean like food shopping? Then they should stay home and get grocery delivery. Here in Massachusetts they would not have a choice. I have not seen a single mask-less person in a supermarket since April (there were town ordinances requiring it before the state-wide mask mandate went into effect in May.)
(Of course, CORRECT mask wearing is another story. I have seen a fair amount of masks being under the nose, and, what really gets me, people pulling down their mask to talk to shopping partners or on the phone >.<)
I didn't read his comment as sarcastic, but suggesting that someone who has trouble with a mask would have extra trouble with COVID.
He's in Central IL, and no clue about that area, but on the North side of Chicago stores and buildings in general have 100% mask compliance from what I see (but like you said often not covering the nose). We also have the laws although kind of hard to enforce as is the issue throughout the country.
Outside, even though one cannot reliably social distance here, masks are less common, especially among younger people, but I suspect it's a lower risk even not distanced outdoors.
We live in a mid-sized city in central IL. Pretty good mask compliance in stores/restaurants, etc. People tend to give space if on the sidewalks or multi-use trail but generally not wearing masks. I did stop at a bar/restaurant in a small town about 40 miles away for some carry out. I was the only one in the place with a mask.1 -
Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
It's a fair point, but wearing a mask does very little to keep them from catching it. Masks are most useful when someone is spreading when already infected - even if that person is asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, or paucisymptomatic. What bugs me most about anti-maskers is that they are getting the benefit from those of us care about fellow citizens and wear a mask, but they don't return the courtesy.
One person's "very little" is another person's "meaningfully significant," I guess. The benefits to the mask wearer are less than the benefits to those in their vicinity, if the mask wearer is infected, but from what I have read, there are, to me, meaningful benefits to the mask wearer.
Reports I have seen of physical tests of masks (not transmission tests with human subjects, which I think would be unethical) have found 40% reduction in viral particles to me if I wear a mask and the other person isn't, at less than six feet, and a reduction of about half the remaining particles when the other person is wearing a mask (i.e., from 10% getting through to 5% getting through). I believe the studies I saw were with cotton cloth masks, but the reporting wasn't always clear.
To me that would seem well worth wearing a mask, completely apart apart from my moral obligation to try to avoid becoming part of the transmission chain if I'm unknowingly infected.
I've seen much lower numbers - around 17% reduction of transmission to the wearer and >90% reduction from the wearer to others.0 -
Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
Interesting difference for the same store chain.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
It just means we're prepping for the murder hornets now.
You mean my mask doesn't protect me from murder hornets? I thought they wouldn't be able to recognize me.
Will this fool the hornets?5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
It just means we're prepping for the murder hornets now.
You mean my mask doesn't protect me from murder hornets? I thought they wouldn't be able to recognize me.
Will this fool the hornets?
I'm willing to give it a try!1 -
A kind of good side affect of using face coverings observed by both my husband and daughter, who have fall allergy to ragweed pollen. They aren’t breathing in as much pollen, so it’s lessening their allergy symptoms a bit. Of course it’s not scientific, just observation by two sufferers.9
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
Here I am going out onto very, very thin ice, especially considering the site I am on right now.
I am talking only about people I know, or have had enough interaction with in my real personal life to have a somewhat well=founded opinion.
There are some people who can't wear a mask for overpowering psychological reasons, or serious physical illness/health condition and I feel sympathy for them. Among those I know (not numerous, and not extreme cases), they are being very cautious in other ways, for example, using delivery when possible as kshama suggests, and somehow toughing out the rules as best they can when needs must (such as in-person medical exams).
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Just to expand on the bolded part from Ann’s post, from a personal standpoint.
Due to events dating back to a previous marriage I have a psychological issue with having my face covered (or wearing a high neck/crew neck top - or anything touching the front of my neck at all) - but it’s just the face covering that’s relevant here, of course.
I was therefore excessively panicked at the thought of mandatory masks in shops here in the UK. At first I just avoided going anywhere and had my husband and daughter do any shopping necessary, but after a short while this became impractical so I gave myself a crude form of ‘exposure therapy’. I started with just wearing it for 20 seconds in the house and increased the time as I managed to tolerate the panic feelings. Once I built up to 5 minutes I went to buy dog food at a local farm and garden supplies shop.
I’m now able to do an entire grocery shop. Although I do absolutely have to have my earphones in and an interesting podcast to listen to the entire time, listening seems to quiet the feeling of panic. I still don’t like it but I can at least tolerate the nausea and panic.
I’m therefore completely willing to accept that there are people out there with much worse issues than I had/have. Because issues are not visible I have to give the odd person I see without a mask the benefit of the doubt. (I also give them a very wide berth! 😂)
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
Here I am going out onto very, very thin ice, especially considering the site I am on right now.
I am talking only about people I know, or have had enough interaction with in my real personal life to have a somewhat well=founded opinion.
There are some people who can't wear a mask for overpowering psychological reasons, or serious physical illness/health condition and I feel sympathy for them. Among those I know (not numerous, and not extreme cases), they are being very cautious in other ways, for example, using delivery when possible as kshama suggests, and somehow toughing out the rules as best they can when needs must (such as in-person medical exams).
<snip for length>
Just to expand on the bolded part from Ann’s post, from a personal standpoint.
Due to events dating back to a previous marriage I have a psychological issue with having my face covered (or wearing a high neck/crew neck top - or anything touching the front of my neck at all) - but it’s just the face covering that’s relevant here, of course.
I was therefore excessively panicked at the thought of mandatory masks in shops here in the UK. At first I just avoided going anywhere and had my husband and daughter do any shopping necessary, but after a short while this became impractical so I gave myself a crude form of ‘exposure therapy’. I started with just wearing it for 20 seconds in the house and increased the time as I managed to tolerate the panic feelings. Once I built up to 5 minutes I went to buy dog food at a local farm and garden supplies shop.
I’m now able to do an entire grocery shop. Although I do absolutely have to have my earphones in and an interesting podcast to listen to the entire time, listening seems to quiet the feeling of panic. I still don’t like it but I can at least tolerate the nausea and panic.
I’m therefore completely willing to accept that there are people out there with much worse issues than I had/have. Because issues are not visible I have to give the odd person I see without a mask the benefit of the doubt. (I also give them a very wide berth! 😂)
I don't know you, but I'm proud of you! What an awesome effort you've made. You are strong and resilient. Rockstar status! ⭐4 -
Thank you Barbra. I want your bridge to be in Plymouth UK but I fear its in the north my geography is far from perfect, and those areas have much higher instances again.
We in the UK should have access to a "Sunflower badge" for people with hidden disability who can't wear masks, my sister has one for our mother. The scheme can be accessed through Tesco and Sainsbury's. You could ask at your customer services.
For those who are in abusive relationships, During the worst of lock down there was a scheme where a person with problems could "ask to speak to and a woman's name which was code for help. I'm sorry I can't remember the code name now, I hope someone in need could elicit help by starting the code phrase. "I need to speak to" might elicit a favourable response. My searches have drawn a blank. So may of us have back stories.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.4 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
Wow, that is so crazy how different it is by location. People here have worn them everywhere since march. Even 70% of the people I see running/walking/biking who are outside and not near anyone are still wearing them.2 -
Thank you Barbra. I want your bridge to be in Plymouth UK but I fear its in the north my geography is far from perfect, and those areas have much higher instances again.
We in the UK should have access to a "Sunflower badge" for people with hidden disability who can't wear masks, my sister has one for our mother. The scheme can be accessed through Tesco and Sainsbury's. You could ask at your customer services.
For those who are in abusive relationships, During the worst of lock down there was a scheme where a person with problems could "ask to speak to and a woman's name which was code for help. I'm sorry I can't remember the code name now, I hope someone in need could elicit help by starting the code phrase. "I need to speak to" might elicit a favourable response. My searches have drawn a blank. So may of us have back stories.
You’re quite right, the bridge is the Tyne Bridge in Newcastle. I grew up on the coast near Newcastle, although I live about 40 miles north of London nowadays.
I’ve heard of the Sunflower scheme you mention but would feel altogether too guilty to use it, considering I’ve managed to mitigate the issue for myself. I’m a bit of a compulsive rule follower!
Useful info for anyone still in such a situation, so thank you for reading between the lines and bringing it up for anyone who may be reading. 💜
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.0 -
Thank you Barbra. I want your bridge to be in Plymouth UK but I fear its in the north my geography is far from perfect, and those areas have much higher instances again.
We in the UK should have access to a "Sunflower badge" for people with hidden disability who can't wear masks, my sister has one for our mother. The scheme can be accessed through Tesco and Sainsbury's. You could ask at your customer services.
For those who are in abusive relationships, During the worst of lock down there was a scheme where a person with problems could "ask to speak to and a woman's name which was code for help. I'm sorry I can't remember the code name now, I hope someone in need could elicit help by starting the code phrase. "I need to speak to" might elicit a favourable response. My searches have drawn a blank. So may of us have back stories.
Aha! I think you are the person I was thinking of who also has chemical sensitivity and so might benefit from a mask like the one I posted about back one page.
https://decentexposures.com/Cushie/Face-mask0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.6 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
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You are correct kshama. I've managed with the help of a nutritionist (BANT registered, UK only) to reverse/repair the cause of many of my reactions. I was seen at family weddings providing my own food and moving my mask to take bites. I'm so relieved those days are mostly gone. I can smell the neighbours laundry without having to go inside. I can/could even walk down the laundry aisle. I've made our masks using the others as a pattern.
Heavy printers ink still plays Havok though. One of these personally addressed information things which try to be funny. I was aware of a slight pong when I opened the envelope, then read the letter. I reviewed the booklet, it looked innocuous on the cover, a fair ground, out-swinging ride, In side I saw chunks of crab, white fish and eel being flung into a medieval cooking pot. I was expecting something to do with dilution. I closed it quickly, then thought I should read the text, prepared for the same picture to see women jumping and diving into turgid water!! the item went in the recycling bin. You think your ok and then................... It really messed with my brain.
Barbra, so it was the Tyne Bridge. I hope todays news will benefit yours among other areas. I'm down south with family spread through the north, Yorkshire feels like "home" even the next two generations have felt the pull. It really hurts to hear of all the cases. Fortunately, we have few in comparison though it can change all too easily. It was hard when the world and his wife came to our beaches which locals hardly use or mostly out of season, leaving 13 tons of rubbish one weekend back in the summer. A new child car-seat was in the heap. Had the car been stolen for time away then the seat ditched before going home!!!
I mentioned the News Print episode because things should not cause an assault on our faculties. Just because you have grown through and overcome various episodes does not mean you can't be taken off guard, as I was. Life right now is enough of a trial to have to struggle as you have; wanting to comply in wearing a mask. Please find one of those badges, keep it in your bag, to give you an alternative for if you can't go through it all again one day. I hope that day never comes. At least you would have an option rather than walk out. BTW we are both still winners. I've not mentioned the despicable conversation, I reheard when I realised the bits of meat were, "women". I hate that word because of the 1950's to '80's degrading, paternalistic attitudes.
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
Over the summer, when we were up in Maine, I saw Walmart employees working with no visible mask, or down around the neck. Again, not the case in Mass.
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a municipal mask mandate for all indoor public spaces here and there is signage to that effect on all entry doors. I've seen 100% compliance here so no need for anyone to attempt to enforce it, People that you'd think would have breathing difficulties like visibly elderly/infirm were voluntarily wearing masks in public long before it was mandatory. I haven't seen or heard of any small children freaking out about wearing one, although I have seen kids who didn't want to take it off because they were rather chuffed with their new fashion accessory.
The signage is getting ridiculous though. Most entry doors are plastered with an array of signs like "do not enter if you have these symptoms" and "what to do if you have these symptoms" and "please practice these hygiene measures" and "please distance yourself from other shoppers" and "masks must be worn" and a few others like capacity limits and so forth. I'll admit that I've never stopped to read all of them in their entirety, it would take a good 5 minutes at some stores.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?
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rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?
Yes, back when the mask mandate was in effect here, it just had to be posted at the entrance. Wal-Mart as a corporate policy, I understand, has people at the doors with the intent of enforcing their policy. But here, they don't do it.0 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?
If a grade school age kid was screaming uncontrollably in a grocery store wonder if the child had special needs? In that case can't call the kid a brat, but should be left at home.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?Theoldguy1 wrote: »If a grade school age kid was screaming uncontrollably in a grocery store wonder if the child had special needs? In that case can't call the kid a brat, but should be left at home.
Here in Massachusetts the messaging is that the least amount of people possible should shop. Now, I get if someone is a single parent and has no childcare and thus has to bring their child, but I don't understand why COUPLES are food shopping with a child/children.
Years back, I briefly lived with a friend with three small children. I went with all of them to the store ONCE. After that, one or the other of us would shop and the other stay home with the kids. MUCH less aggravating!12
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