Coronavirus prep
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stevehenderson776 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »They are talking letting him out of the hospital tomorrow. That would be really dumb to do. He needs to be in there longer for his own good.
Are there any rules governing this? In my country if you're isolated because of a positive test, you aren't discharged until you've had two consecutive negative tests a few days apart.
Here in Ontario unless you require hospitalisation due to the need for a respirator or the like then most patients are expected to quarantine themselves in their homes if able.
We practice a rigid difference between quarantine and isolation.
Quarantine - for persons who may have been exposed due to travel or interaction with a known case. That can be institutional or self quarantine depending on the circumstances.
Isolation - in a designated facility for persons who've tested positive. No discharge until satisfying certain criteria as mentioned earlier. By the way, that facility is NOT the hospital, as we're doing all we can to protect other sick and vulnerable persons in there.
Interesting! Ours our quite distinct too, but the terms are other way around!
Those returning from overseas go into "managed isolation" facilities until 2 weeks have passed, and two negative tests returned.
Those with covid-19 go into "quarantine" facilities (or transferred to hospitals if needed).
If a person has a cold and gets a covid test, or is potentially a contact of a case, then they go into "self-isolation" while waiting on test results.
Yes, I enjoy the quirks of language between one country and another. Anyway, the concept is the same.0 -
stevehenderson776 wrote: »@rheddmobile I've been seeing pretty much the same thing at the school near me. It looks like they're staggering recess so it's just one class at a time. It must be like herding cats to keep all the kids 6 feet apart while playing. It doesn't look like the teachers are having a great success at it, which I really can't blame them for. 2 or 3 adults keeping perfect control of the personal space of 30 kids over a 4 acre field? The adults are losing that battle every single time.
We've hired parents to assist teachers in the schools with enforcing mask-wearing and physical distancing.1 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Massachusetts Governor Baker announced that he is not canceling Halloween this year, and this is what he said. “And the reason we’re not canceling Halloween is because that would have turned into thousands of indoor Halloween parties, which would have been a heck of a lot worse for public safety and for the spread of the virus than outdoor, organized, and supervised trick-or-treating.”
He’s probably right, but if I had a child that age, I’d probably arrange some kind of virtual trick or treating event. Let them dress up, get treats they want, and hope for back to normal next year. Make it a special day and avoid possible exposure to other people you have no idea whether or not they’ve been exposed. It’s sad, but so many people have had to lose out on special events this year. With all the holidays coming up, a lot of occasions are going to be very different for many of us. 😷
In my neighborhood, houses are on a minimum of a acre of land. I am going to set up at the end of the driveway, with large table, pre-quarentined treat bags and sanitizing stations. Hopefully parents with be responsible for monitoring their kids the rest of the time. Hoping for no rain!
Very good. Many people of course don't have that luxury of living on an acre of land. There would be those on small lots, and some in cramped apartments in high-rise buildings. Recipe for disaster in COVID times.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?
If a grade school age kid was screaming uncontrollably in a grocery store wonder if the child had special needs? In that case can't call the kid a brat, but should be left at home.
Honestly while it’s possible I get the idea these were “free thinkers” of the worst sort who were opposed to disciplining children. Not the usual stereotype of mask refusers, they were dressed like some sort of extreme hipsters. Not the kid’s fault - but then that’s true of most brats - brats are made, not born.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
When do you expect we'll be done with COVID?? Some countries are now experiencing their second wave, and another big country which will remain nameless for political reasons, has not yet got the first wave under control.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?
If a grade school age kid was screaming uncontrollably in a grocery store wonder if the child had special needs? In that case can't call the kid a brat, but should be left at home.
Honestly while it’s possible I get the idea these were “free thinkers” of the worst sort who were opposed to disciplining children. Not the usual stereotype of mask refusers, they were dressed like some sort of extreme hipsters. Not the kid’s fault - but then that’s true of most brats - brats are made, not born.
My second kiddo was born a stinker. He was not made. He is an adult now. he turned out okay.10 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
Wow, that is so crazy how different it is by location. People here have worn them everywhere since march. Even 70% of the people I see running/walking/biking who are outside and not near anyone are still wearing them.
Yes, we do it by habit now, not just by enforcement. I was in a doctor's waiting room a few weeks ago and saw a lady enter. She was actually very confused as there was no enforcement at the door. Turned to the rest of us to ask what the requirements were. Like "Where's the sanitizer station?" "Where's guy with the temperature gun?" "Why was no one at the door to insist I had my mask on?" She didn't say all those words, but that was her disposition. That's real-life at just about every place we visit now. And no one objects or protests.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
When do you expect we'll be done with COVID?? Some countries are now experiencing their second wave, and another big country which will remain nameless for political reasons, has not yet got the first wave under control.
I'm hoping by mid 2021 we'll have some combination of vaccines and therapeutics and improved knowledge about long-term effects that most of us will feel OK about being in enclosed spaces with strangers who aren't wearing masks, so things like indoor-dining, live music, live theater, movie theaters, public transportation, and air travel won't feel like an unsensible risk.5 -
Italy is on it's second wave right now. Summer COVID cases were way down and everyone got complacent. The government does not want to go into another total Lockdown, and so are tightening up restrictions in hopes that they can stop the upward trend. Walking around central Rome on Sunday, it was shocking to see how many businesses were closed (totally gone) on a busy street. I would say a third of storefronts were abandoned.
Masks are mandatory everywhere, even in the open, unless you are running or biking, or very far from anyone else. The fine is a minimum of $400 --max $1000. I'm seeing mask compliance at 95% just walking around. Even young people in a group were wearing them. I'm sorry for teens (and everyone) because it's a real pain, but seeing them make the sacrifice and consider other people who are fragile just made me so grateful to them. Our vaccine is in production and should be ready by Christmas. Of course it will take awhile to see if it really cuts down on cases and deaths. Flu vaccines should be ready soon and there's a big push to get it. My husband and I got the one-time pneumonia vaccine last week.12 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Italy is on it's second wave right now. Summer COVID cases were way down and everyone got complacent. The government does not want to go into another total Lockdown, and so are tightening up restrictions in hopes that they can stop the upward trend. Walking around central Rome on Sunday, it was shocking to see how many businesses were closed (totally gone) on a busy street. I would say a third of storefronts were abandoned.
Masks are mandatory everywhere, even in the open, unless you are running or biking, or very far from anyone else. The fine is a minimum of $400 --max $1000. I'm seeing mask compliance at 95% just walking around. Even young people in a group were wearing them. I'm sorry for teens (and everyone) because it's a real pain, but seeing them make the sacrifice and consider other people who are fragile just made me so grateful to them. Our vaccine is in production and should be ready by Christmas. Of course it will take awhile to see if it really cuts down on cases and deaths. Flu vaccines should be ready soon and there's a big push to get it. My husband and I got the one-time pneumonia vaccine last week.
That is in line with WHO's current position.
WHO warns against COVID-19 lockdowns due to economic damage
https://foxnews.com/world/who-coronavirus-lockdowns-economic-damage1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Italy is on it's second wave right now. Summer COVID cases were way down and everyone got complacent. The government does not want to go into another total Lockdown, and so are tightening up restrictions in hopes that they can stop the upward trend. Walking around central Rome on Sunday, it was shocking to see how many businesses were closed (totally gone) on a busy street. I would say a third of storefronts were abandoned.
Masks are mandatory everywhere, even in the open, unless you are running or biking, or very far from anyone else. The fine is a minimum of $400 --max $1000. I'm seeing mask compliance at 95% just walking around. Even young people in a group were wearing them. I'm sorry for teens (and everyone) because it's a real pain, but seeing them make the sacrifice and consider other people who are fragile just made me so grateful to them. Our vaccine is in production and should be ready by Christmas. Of course it will take awhile to see if it really cuts down on cases and deaths. Flu vaccines should be ready soon and there's a big push to get it. My husband and I got the one-time pneumonia vaccine last week.
It was on the news yesterday that 4 guards at The Vatican tested positive.
From what I see, most people are in compliance with face coverings. They are mandatory in public.3 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Massachusetts Governor Baker announced that he is not canceling Halloween this year, and this is what he said. “And the reason we’re not canceling Halloween is because that would have turned into thousands of indoor Halloween parties, which would have been a heck of a lot worse for public safety and for the spread of the virus than outdoor, organized, and supervised trick-or-treating.”
He’s probably right, but if I had a child that age, I’d probably arrange some kind of virtual trick or treating event. Let them dress up, get treats they want, and hope for back to normal next year. Make it a special day and avoid possible exposure to other people you have no idea whether or not they’ve been exposed. It’s sad, but so many people have had to lose out on special events this year. With all the holidays coming up, a lot of occasions are going to be very different for many of us. 😷
In my neighborhood, houses are on a minimum of a acre of land. I am going to set up at the end of the driveway, with large table, pre-quarentined treat bags and sanitizing stations. Hopefully parents with be responsible for monitoring their kids the rest of the time. Hoping for no rain!
Very good. Many people of course don't have that luxury of living on an acre of land. There would be those on small lots, and some in cramped apartments in high-rise buildings. Recipe for disaster in COVID times.
All very true, I just put that description out there before getting bashed for being outside and offering Halloween the best I can. Interesting thing is that even on non-COVID years, parents drive to our neighborhood and park and have their kids walk the loop. Our street is shaped like a "P" and I am on the loop so kids get a lot of houses but arrive back at the parents car. Last year on a school night was 76 kids. I have no idea if those kids are from my town or driven in from other towns. I am preparing 100 bags, and hoping to not be tempted by leftovers.4 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
Wow, that is so crazy how different it is by location. People here have worn them everywhere since march. Even 70% of the people I see running/walking/biking who are outside and not near anyone are still wearing them.
Yes, we do it by habit now, not just by enforcement. I was in a doctor's waiting room a few weeks ago and saw a lady enter. She was actually very confused as there was no enforcement at the door. Turned to the rest of us to ask what the requirements were. Like "Where's the sanitizer station?" "Where's guy with the temperature gun?" "Why was no one at the door to insist I had my mask on?" She didn't say all those words, but that was her disposition. That's real-life at just about every place we visit now. And no one objects or protests.
Where do you live? Is there a house available? That sounds amazing!2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
Wow, that is so crazy how different it is by location. People here have worn them everywhere since march. Even 70% of the people I see running/walking/biking who are outside and not near anyone are still wearing them.
I think it tends to vary based on whether you are in a location that was hit hard early or not. There's pretty good indoors mask compliance here and somewhat outdoors (with people social distancing), but we were hit hard early (although not as much as NY/NJ).1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »stevehenderson776 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
I think some did that here too, but even when there was a county ordinance requiring masks, I observed people walk right past the Wal-Mart door employees without a mask.
There are some people that do that here too and I assume just about everywhere. The municipal stance is that the store should inform them about the mask bylaw, but not try to physically enforce it by preventing them from entering the store. The teenager working part time at Walmart isn't paid enough to have to bounce nutjobs.
In this case, they didn't inform the maskless customers about the mask mandate either.
We have a county mandate about masks in places of business, and the law here is that it has to be posted, and the business can be fined if they serve someone without a mask, but the employees are not required to confront people directly.
My husband got a dude and his wife and kid kicked out of Kroger in Collierville for not wearing masks. He wouldn’t have bothered but 1) maskless grade school age kid was screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the produce department and had been there 10 minutes and my husband needed produce, and 2) it was the second shopping trip in a row where he had seen this same guy without a mask - the first time he was alone, this time he had family. I guess we just shop at the same time. The first time my husband said to a passing manager, “I don’t know what your policy is about enforcing the mask mandate but there’s a guy over there without a mask,” and the manager said, “I’ll talk to him.” This time, he went and got a manager and brought him over. Manager offered free masks, was turned down, and said, “You all need to leave.” And that was all it took, dude left with wife and screaming kid trailing behind. So, apart from his nasty brat spraying germs all over the produce, victory I guess?Theoldguy1 wrote: »If a grade school age kid was screaming uncontrollably in a grocery store wonder if the child had special needs? In that case can't call the kid a brat, but should be left at home.
Here in Massachusetts the messaging is that the least amount of people possible should shop. Now, I get if someone is a single parent and has no childcare and thus has to bring their child, but I don't understand why COUPLES are food shopping with a child/children.
Years back, I briefly lived with a friend with three small children. I went with all of them to the store ONCE. After that, one or the other of us would shop and the other stay home with the kids. MUCH less aggravating!
Yeah, here too. I live in a neighborhood with a local business district with lots of small stores, and most of them have a sign asking that only one member of a party come in at a time.2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Jumping in on the mask usage thing. Like kshama, I live primarily in Massachusetts. Here, you are not getting in a store without a mask. Grocery store, walmart, and other large stores, have a monitor at the door checking for masks, and counting bodies so as to not exceed numbers. I went into a Marshalls a few days ago, and not only was there a monitor, but she had a whole supply station of sanitizers, and such (maybe even spare masks). I went into Walgreens yesterday. Another customer made it into the store about 4 feet before the clerk was yelling across the store. The man started apologizing and pulled his mask from his pocket and put it on.
Ironically, over the summer we "Massachusetts" people were being shut out of Maine (unless could meet their restrictions), because we were so dangerous. Well the whole thing was rediculous from my point of view. Since we have a private home there, we were were able to go up, meet their guidelines, and could observe. When we did go out, there was hardly anyone was wearing masks, Social distancing was rare. I saw people entering stores with no mask and finally one time I asked the monitor about the previous person with no mask. He said they won't stop them because they will be accosted. In contrast, here in Massachusetts, I did a walk early this morning without a mask (we are relatively rural here). As I went through the wooded cut through, a woman was coming the other way. I stepped off the path so we would have at least 5 feet in the open air for the half second we passed. She veered an additional 5 feet off the other side of the path to stay away from me. That is the norm that I see here. Hmmm, Massachusetts vs Maine. And they were worried about us. Yes, Maine made it through the summer relatively unscathed, but the tourist industry was sorely hurt. I think they might have done equally well if they just actually inforced the mask, social distancing type policies, and allowed tourists in to support their businesses.
Wal-Mart in TN has people at the door also, but they are just standing there. Theoretically they probably are supposed to make sure people wear masks, but I see mask-less customers walk right past them without getting stopped.
At our local Walmart, when they were enforcing/encouraging the mask mandate, people would enter the store with a mask, then take it off as soon as they were past the entrance.
Wow, that is so crazy how different it is by location. People here have worn them everywhere since march. Even 70% of the people I see running/walking/biking who are outside and not near anyone are still wearing them.
I think it tends to vary based on whether you are in a location that was hit hard early or not. There's pretty good indoors mask compliance here and somewhat outdoors (with people social distancing), but we were hit hard early (although not as much as NY/NJ).
Very localized, too. Detroit was laid low, pretty early and very hard. Large chunks of outstate Michigan - some not that far from Detroit in miles - remain a hotbed of antimask sentiment. For some people, if folks they know and care about aren't being cut down, it's all theoretical, maybe fake, probably exaggerated. The urban/rural (and frankly, racial) us/them is an aggravating factor in that, I suspect: Many people seem to feel less empathy with "them", whoever "them" is.
Sadly, there are some scary incidence increases in certain spots outstate now. We'll see if that has an impact. I fear it might be too late, i.e., that attitudes are already very entrenched. I hope I'm wrong.5 -
Wife went to the doc this week and her potassium is high in her blood. She goes back for another test this week. Doesn't sound terrible but not great either. Looks like she may have early kidney disease. Not something she or I was hoping to hear on top of everything else going on. Likely from all the ibuprofen she took years ago (that stuff should be illegal, IMHO). I suppose the good news is that she seems to be doing well for now and that the doctor caught it early. I don't think it's a false positive because she was having a lot of leg cramps at night, another sign of CKD. I've always thought she had the potential for diabetes as well. I would think the doc will test for that as well. That can cause loss of kidney efficiency as well. We'll see. Been in a depressed mood all week.
If there's a bright side, we eat pretty close to what they recommend for CKD and really don't eat that far off for a diabetic's diet either. Hopefully we can get her blood levels under control quickly. We've already eliminated her big potassium items -- bananas, kiwis, turmeric, potatoes, tomatoes, melons, avocados and nuts -- everything she loves to eat, LOL.
The other bright side is that I talked her into a checkup, even with Covid-19. She was planning on not going this year. It's a good thing that she did. Keep doing your health checkups, even if it's telemedicine. Many docs, like mine, had never offered that before this year. Now they do.
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Got my flu shot today - first time since 1990.11
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@MikePfirrman I hope your dear wife makes a full recovery with some good reports.
New cases are rising to record levels here along with the connecting states. Campgrounds are still full of motorhomes, they're not going home. Every available piece of property or home is being sold. They're paying cash and not batting an eye at the prices. They don't care, they want out of the cities. Our population will probably double and it took 50 years for that happen a few years back. We don't have the medical facilities to deal with it so they send them to the next state. They're overloaded now.
We've all had our flu shots, older ones had updated pneumonia and shingles shots. It does seem like Groundhog Day. @AnnPT77 There's many tourists who refuse to wear a mask. They stand out because we do know who's who around here but that's rapidly changing. Mike, you know that 50 mile stretch of pristine wilderness.
A wealthy man from Atlanta wants to build his landing strip there. You betcha. They're buying everything and I mean taking it all. 6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Wife went to the doc this week and her potassium is high in her blood. She goes back for another test this week. Doesn't sound terrible but not great either. Looks like she may have early kidney disease. Not something she or I was hoping to hear on top of everything else going on. Likely from all the ibuprofen she took years ago (that stuff should be illegal, IMHO). I suppose the good news is that she seems to be doing well for now and that the doctor caught it early. I don't think it's a false positive because she was having a lot of leg cramps at night, another sign of CKD. I've always thought she had the potential for diabetes as well. I would think the doc will test for that as well. That can cause loss of kidney efficiency as well. We'll see. Been in a depressed mood all week.
If there's a bright side, we eat pretty close to what they recommend for CKD and really don't eat that far off for a diabetic's diet either. Hopefully we can get her blood levels under control quickly. We've already eliminated her big potassium items -- bananas, kiwis, turmeric, potatoes, tomatoes, melons, avocados and nuts -- everything she loves to eat, LOL.
The other bright side is that I talked her into a checkup, even with Covid-19. She was planning on not going this year. It's a good thing that she did. Keep doing your health checkups, even if it's telemedicine. Many docs, like mine, had never offered that before this year. Now they do.
Wishing you both good health!
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kshama2001 wrote: »Got my flu shot today - first time since 1990.
Flu shot? What's that? And I've been around long before 1990.0 -
Mike P, I'm sorry to read of Mrs P's additional difficulties. Its desperate, or I would see it as desperate living on restrictions to have even more added.
As a little, sort of, aside because there can be different causes of symptoms like cramps. I've been using Magnesium Glycinate for cramps and the like but over here we do not have the same testing regime as you. Not being a scientist I have no idea if this supposedly more digestible form could assist in kidney function.
Carrying over from another thread. I've read in the New Scientist Daily, access to notifications. "Some American Dairy Farmers are inseminating their dairy herds with beef breeds," Those calves are more cost effective than the traditional dairy version. I know the end result is the same, progress of a different sort.
Wishing Mike's family all the very best.5 -
so much for the "gyms are perfectly safe -- no cases traced to gyms" argument:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/10/14/canada-spin-class-coronavirus-masks/
My gym (according to their emails and blog posts -- I'm still not going back) doesn't hold indoor classes, spinning or otherwise, due to the smaller spaces used for classes and, I assume, the shouting instructors.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Got my flu shot today - first time since 1990.
I got mine today.
I've never had any kind of reaction to it, but I figure, because 2020, I'll probably get some immune response that's going to force me to quarantine or get tested for COVID. Just to be funny.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »so much for the "gyms are perfectly safe -- no cases traced to gyms" argument:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/10/14/canada-spin-class-coronavirus-masks/
My gym (according to their emails and blog posts -- I'm still not going back) doesn't hold indoor classes, spinning or otherwise, due to the smaller spaces used for classes and, I assume, the shouting instructors.
Still none at my gym or any gym in my community. I use the weights, large area, high ceiling well vented, 5-6 people in a 5,000 sq. ft. area today. I've started going during the day since WFH. Many in my small city are WFH so gym not very crowded at any point in time. Some indoor classes being held there.1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Got my flu shot today - first time since 1990.
I got mine today.
I've never had any kind of reaction to it, but I figure, because 2020, I'll probably get some immune response that's going to force me to quarantine or get tested for COVID. Just to be funny.
I had a REALLY bad reaction in 1990, hence the avoidance all these years. Today, my arm is sore and I'm unusually tired, but I can deal with that.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »so much for the "gyms are perfectly safe -- no cases traced to gyms" argument:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/10/14/canada-spin-class-coronavirus-masks/
My gym (according to their emails and blog posts -- I'm still not going back) doesn't hold indoor classes, spinning or otherwise, due to the smaller spaces used for classes and, I assume, the shouting instructors.
Even in Australia where there is little Covid and they are doing all the right things there has been Covid caught in gyms.1 -
@kshama2001 For some reason, this year's flu shot made me tired for a week.4
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I was tired after the flu shot for a couple of days this year, which doesn't usually happen, but I have been blaming the shingles vaccine I got on the same day.3
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For the flu shot, I don't remember being tired or hubby complaining of that, but both of us had tender arms for 48 hours. The nurse that gave me mine, warned me that would happen before she even gave the shot.4
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