Intermittent fasting

ttpr
ttpr Posts: 9 Member
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hey y'all,

I did this whole lose weight thing about 5 years ago. I lost 45 pounds and worked my *kitten* off... literally 😉. Problem was the minute i relinquished 100% control i gained the weight back. Now 2 kids later i was almost at my highest weight. I've started releasing weight again but this time I've started intermittent fasting. I do 16 and 8. Does anyone else add intermittent fasting to their weight release journey?
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  • Indialove901
    Indialove901 Posts: 71 Member
    I do, and when I was less lenient with my fasting I saw great results. If you incorporate exercise and healthy eating, I guarantee you will see awesome results. Good luck to you.
  • twelstand
    twelstand Posts: 18 Member
    hey,

    yeah i do intermittent fasting, i generally stop eating around 20:00 hours and start again at 1200. the only things i consume during this time is plain water after 20:00 and black coffee with no sugar or milk after i wake up. i find this works very well but they key to being successful for me is the food i consume during eating hours. The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use. if you lower your suggested carb intake for the day your body will find it much harder during fasting and will become very tired a lot quicker. They do however need to be the right type of carbs, these would be complex instead of refined or simple. Complex carbs consist of potato, wholegrain pastas rice and breads. complex carbs are digested by your body slowly over time, helping you to stay full and keeping hunger at bay plus giving your body energy gradually. refined carbs (white pasta and rice) have largely been stripped of anything beneficial to your body and simple carbs (milk,cookies, cakes etc) are digested by your body quickly, meaning you feel hungry quicker and can cause a sugar spike as carbs are where your sugar intake comes from. sorry for the long response, i found it easier to stick to when i understood the nutrition side a bit more.
  • Taytaylynn92
    Taytaylynn92 Posts: 230 Member
    I also do intermittent fasting. I did a 23:1 yesterday and feel awesome today!
  • lorianncorrea
    lorianncorrea Posts: 151 Member
    edited May 2020
    I have been doing IF since Dec & I have lost 45lbs. I started with 16/8 but I have recently switched to 18/6.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    yeah i do intermittent fasting, i generally stop eating around 20:00 hours and start again at 1200. the only things i consume during this time is plain water after 20:00 and black coffee with no sugar or milk after i wake up. i find this works very well but they key to being successful for me is the food i consume during eating hours. The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use. if you lower your suggested carb intake for the day your body will find it much harder during fasting and will become very tired a lot quicker. They do however need to be the right type of carbs, these would be complex instead of refined or simple. Complex carbs consist of potato, wholegrain pastas rice and breads. complex carbs are digested by your body slowly over time, helping you to stay full and keeping hunger at bay plus giving your body energy gradually. refined carbs (white pasta and rice) have largely been stripped of anything beneficial to your body and simple carbs (milk,cookies, cakes etc) are digested by your body quickly, meaning you feel hungry quicker and can cause a sugar spike as carbs are where your sugar intake comes from. sorry for the long response, i found it easier to stick to when i understood the nutrition side a bit more.

    Your body can use protein, fat, carbs, and alcohol as energy. What satiates one person may not work for another. I ate moderately low carb through most of my weight loss and had nearly effortless hunger control even when eating only one meal a day. Now that my activity level is much higher one meal a day and moderate carb do not work for me as well.
  • twelstand
    twelstand Posts: 18 Member
    ccrdragon wrote: »
    Yes, IF can provide a framework for controlling the calories that you consume. I have skipped breakfast at least 5 days a week and more often 7 days a week for probably 20 years. IF is not magical as it does not cause weight loss on it's own - I have gained weight with this eating schedule, I have maintained my weight with this eating schedule and I have gained weight with this eating schedule.
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    yeah i do intermittent fasting, i generally stop eating around 20:00 hours and start again at 1200. the only things i consume during this time is plain water after 20:00 and black coffee with no sugar or milk after i wake up. i find this works very well but they key to being successful for me is the food i consume during eating hours. The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use. if you lower your suggested carb intake for the day your body will find it much harder during fasting and will become very tired a lot quicker. They do however need to be the right type of carbs, these would be complex instead of refined or simple. Complex carbs consist of potato, wholegrain pastas rice and breads. complex carbs are digested by your body slowly over time, helping you to stay full and keeping hunger at bay plus giving your body energy gradually. refined carbs (white pasta and rice) have largely been stripped of anything beneficial to your body and simple carbs (milk,cookies, cakes etc) are digested by your body quickly, meaning you feel hungry quicker and can cause a sugar spike as carbs are where your sugar intake comes from. sorry for the long response, i found it easier to stick to when i understood the nutrition side a bit more.

    Some of this may be true for you, but is not universally true...
    Specifically - I don't eat a lot of carbs so I haven't eaten a meal in the last 6 weeks that had 50% carbs and I haven't had any issues eating IF.

    Also, the 'right type' of carbs is complete nonsense. Look up the nutritional info on white rice/white pasta - there is very little if no difference to their 'brown' counterparts. Cookies, milk (not a carb in the first place) and cake are all complex carbs (anything that contains wheat is by definition a complex carb). The icing may be a simple sugar/carb, but even that is moot since the mix of the rest of the carbs will slow done the digestion process.

    Yes i understand what you are saying to a certain degree. when it comes to wheat, whole grain is classed as a complex carb and white is classed as a simple carb. majority of cakes and cookies are prepared using white.
    milk is classed generally as carb as per 100ml of skimmed milk as an example, there is 1 g of fat, 3g of protein and 5g of carbs, all of which is sugar and 0 dietary fibre.
    with pasta and rice, though prepared the same way wholegrain is higher in minerals vitamins and complex carbs. many of these have been stripped in the making of pasta and rice that is white.
    i understand what you are saying and thank you for your feedback, i am always trying to learn and expand my knowledge.
  • twelstand
    twelstand Posts: 18 Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    yeah i do intermittent fasting, i generally stop eating around 20:00 hours and start again at 1200. the only things i consume during this time is plain water after 20:00 and black coffee with no sugar or milk after i wake up. i find this works very well but they key to being successful for me is the food i consume during eating hours. The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use. if you lower your suggested carb intake for the day your body will find it much harder during fasting and will become very tired a lot quicker. They do however need to be the right type of carbs, these would be complex instead of refined or simple. Complex carbs consist of potato, wholegrain pastas rice and breads. complex carbs are digested by your body slowly over time, helping you to stay full and keeping hunger at bay plus giving your body energy gradually. refined carbs (white pasta and rice) have largely been stripped of anything beneficial to your body and simple carbs (milk,cookies, cakes etc) are digested by your body quickly, meaning you feel hungry quicker and can cause a sugar spike as carbs are where your sugar intake comes from. sorry for the long response, i found it easier to stick to when i understood the nutrition side a bit more.

    Your body can use protein, fat, carbs, and alcohol as energy. What satiates one person may not work for another. I ate moderately low carb through most of my weight loss and had nearly effortless hunger control even when eating only one meal a day. Now that my activity level is much higher one meal a day and moderate carb do not work for me as well.

    yes you are completely correct with that, however my way of thinking is that your body uses carbs first to fuel itself, followed by fat and then protein. i would personally use complex slow digesting carbs to fuel my body so that my muscles are protected from protein being used further down the line. i admit that i dont always meet 50 percent of carbs but when i do i try to use healthier carbs. but of course everyones bodies are different so people react to it differently.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use.

    I can't eat 50% carbs and lose weight. I mostly follow a ketogenic low carb, high fat and moderate protein intake diet. If you don't eat carbs then your body has no choice but to burn fat for fuel. I also believe that most carbs are the worst thing you can eat, especially when diabetes runs in my family. You should read the diabetes code and the obesity code by dr Jason Fung. It is absolutely eye opening.
  • twelstand
    twelstand Posts: 18 Member
    I'd never at like to say to everyone that what I said was only in my opinion and not something that should definitely be followed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I stated what I did as this is what has worked for.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    Go_Deskercise wrote: »
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    I did a paleo diet and i didn't lower my calorie intake, I've also done the ketogenic diet and never lowered my calorie intake, both times i lost a significant amount of weight. It has everything to do with what foods you eat and how your body handles it.
  • angelexperiment
    angelexperiment Posts: 1,917 Member
    I do. I do a one main meal and two liquid meal replacement and snack if I get hungry. Bit if I eat enough proteins and fat at my main meal I’m not hungry
  • twelstand
    twelstand Posts: 18 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    I'd never at like to say to everyone that what I said was only in my opinion and not something that should definitely be followed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I stated what I did as this is what has worked for.

    You are presenting your opinions as prescriptive recommendations and you've had to walk a couple of them back. You may want to reconsider your approach and consider there are some members here with extensive experience and knowledge of nutrition and physiology.

    If I have come across in that way I do apologise as it was never intended to be a you must do this. I understand that there are people with a lot of knowledge and experience, I do still stand by some of the things I have said however though I am still learning. No offence intended, I have now been made to feel like an idiot with zero knowledge so won't post on the community again. Hope you are keeping well
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    twelstand wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    I'd never at like to say to everyone that what I said was only in my opinion and not something that should definitely be followed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I stated what I did as this is what has worked for.

    You are presenting your opinions as prescriptive recommendations and you've had to walk a couple of them back. You may want to reconsider your approach and consider there are some members here with extensive experience and knowledge of nutrition and physiology.

    If I have come across in that way I do apologise as it was never intended to be a you must do this. I understand that there are people with a lot of knowledge and experience, I do still stand by some of the things I have said however though I am still learning. No offence intended, I have now been made to feel like an idiot with zero knowledge so won't post on the community again. Hope you are keeping well

    Please don't stop posting and please don't feel like an idiot. We're all learning here. You know what's best for you just like everyone else should know what's best for them.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use.

    I can't eat 50% carbs and lose weight. I mostly follow a ketogenic low carb, high fat and moderate protein intake diet. If you don't eat carbs then your body has no choice but to burn fat for fuel. I also believe that most carbs are the worst thing you can eat, especially when diabetes runs in my family. You should read the diabetes code and the obesity code by dr Jason Fung. It is absolutely eye opening.

    I get at least 50% of my calories from carbohydrates, things like broccoli, lentils, peppers, oats, greens, black beans, and cabbage. I certainly don't think you're obligated to eat these foods if you don't want them, but I don't understand how they're the worst things I can eat. And if Jason Fung is telling people they are, then I would love to know how he is drawing that conclusion.

    i said MOST carbs. But yes beans, oats and lentils are in that bad group because they are a starch. Vegetables however are not. I eat a TON of vegetables, my meals are atleast 50% to 75% vegetables. Legumes also create a inflammatory response in your body, so do all grains.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use.

    I can't eat 50% carbs and lose weight. I mostly follow a ketogenic low carb, high fat and moderate protein intake diet. If you don't eat carbs then your body has no choice but to burn fat for fuel. I also believe that most carbs are the worst thing you can eat, especially when diabetes runs in my family. You should read the diabetes code and the obesity code by dr Jason Fung. It is absolutely eye opening.

    I get at least 50% of my calories from carbohydrates, things like broccoli, lentils, peppers, oats, greens, black beans, and cabbage. I certainly don't think you're obligated to eat these foods if you don't want them, but I don't understand how they're the worst things I can eat. And if Jason Fung is telling people they are, then I would love to know how he is drawing that conclusion.

    i said MOST carbs. But yes beans, oats and lentils are in that bad group because they are a starch. Vegetables however are not. I eat a TON of vegetables, my meals are atleast 50% to 75% vegetables. Legumes also create a inflammatory response in your body, so do all grains.

    Beans and grains are heavily associated with the diets in the "blue zones," where people live longer than usual. You may choose to believe they live longer *despite* the fact that they frequently eat these foods, but there is no good indication that these foods are harmful.

    I don't know what you mean by "most carbohydrates" being harmful while also eating a diet of 75% vegetables (but also somehow being ketogenic). If 75% of your calories are coming from vegetables, you're eating mostly carbohydrates.

    Do you know what a ketogenic diet is? It's not all meat... vegetables are still one of the most important foods in the diet. Just not green beans, corn or peas as those are overly high in carbs. Fruit is also "allowed" on a keto diet but in very low amounts although eating the fruit itself is much better than drinking fruit juice because of the fiber the fruit contains. Also i said my meals, not snacks. Snacks are 100% protein and fats so 75% of my diet is NOT carbs. For instance 100grams of broccoli contains around 6 or 7 grams of carbs now compare that to oats 100grams of oats with 60 grams of carbs or kidney beans 100 grams with 23 grams of carbs. Grains and vegetables are not comparable for carb content.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    ttpr wrote: »
    twelstand wrote: »
    hey,

    The biggest tip however i can give you is to make sure that with your dinner in the afternoon/evening, it consists of no lower than 50 percent carbs as they are the main source of energy your body uses and it will go to your carbs first for energy use.

    I can't eat 50% carbs and lose weight. I mostly follow a ketogenic low carb, high fat and moderate protein intake diet. If you don't eat carbs then your body has no choice but to burn fat for fuel. I also believe that most carbs are the worst thing you can eat, especially when diabetes runs in my family. You should read the diabetes code and the obesity code by dr Jason Fung. It is absolutely eye opening.

    I get at least 50% of my calories from carbohydrates, things like broccoli, lentils, peppers, oats, greens, black beans, and cabbage. I certainly don't think you're obligated to eat these foods if you don't want them, but I don't understand how they're the worst things I can eat. And if Jason Fung is telling people they are, then I would love to know how he is drawing that conclusion.

    i said MOST carbs. But yes beans, oats and lentils are in that bad group because they are a starch. Vegetables however are not. I eat a TON of vegetables, my meals are atleast 50% to 75% vegetables. Legumes also create a inflammatory response in your body, so do all grains.

    Beans and grains are heavily associated with the diets in the "blue zones," where people live longer than usual. You may choose to believe they live longer *despite* the fact that they frequently eat these foods, but there is no good indication that these foods are harmful.

    I don't know what you mean by "most carbohydrates" being harmful while also eating a diet of 75% vegetables (but also somehow being ketogenic). If 75% of your calories are coming from vegetables, you're eating mostly carbohydrates.

    Do you know what a ketogenic diet is? It's not all meat... vegetables are still one of the most important foods in the diet. Just not green beans, corn or peas as those are overly high in carbs. Fruit is also "allowed" on a keto diet but in very low amounts although eating the fruit itself is much better than drinking fruit juice because of the fiber the fruit contains. Also i said my meals, not snacks. Snacks are 100% protein and fats so 75% of my diet is NOT carbs. For instance 100grams of broccoli contains around 6 or 7 grams of carbs now compare that to oats 100grams of oats with 60 grams of carbs or kidney beans 100 grams with 23 grams of carbs. Grains and vegetables are not comparable for carb content.

    I'm familiar with a ketogenic diet. I'm skeptical about a supposedly ketogenic diet where 75% of the calories are coming from vegetables. Snacks are part of your daily meals, so it appears that your meals aren't 75% vegetables.

    Again, the claim that beans and grains are harmful for us is a bold one. I understand it may be what Jason Fung is telling people, but it's not a claim based in evidence. In actual large-scale studies, diets rich in carbohydrates from beans, grains, and vegetables have positive health associations.

    I'm not arguing against a ketogenic diet. I do believe there are ways for people to meet their nutritional needs on a wide variety of dietary styles, including (most likely) a ketogenic diet. I'm addressing your claim that most carbohydrates are harmful or that people need to eat less than 50% of their calories from carbohydrates in order to lose weight. Jason Fung's ideas about "bad groups" of starches are unhelpful and inaccurate.

    I don't actually think you are familiar with it otherwise you'd know that vegetables are not 100% carbs... which is what you're thinking. I can turn those grams into percentage if you'd like. Those vegetables get a good soaking of organic butter, and the protein portion is about 5 or 6 oz sometimes more depending what it is, usually cooked in fat or a high fat sauce. My plate may be 75% vegetables by mass but the macro percentage is 50 or more % fats 30% protein and between 10 and 20% carbs. So yes it does work.

    Dr. Jason Fung is a specialist in Toronto whom specializes in curing type 2 diabetes and obesity. He has a 90% success rate with his patients, the other 10% are patients that don't follow his protocols. Type 2 diabetes is the over abundance of insulin in your body, it then gets stored as fat. If you've ever been told you're insulin resistant you are pre diabetic. What causes your body to produce too much insulin you may ask? High carb and sugar foods such as grains, legumes and processed sugars. I was insulin resistant aka pre diabetic, I fixed my health with low carb(yes this includes vegetables), high fat and moderate protein.

    I am well versed in the studies you are speaking of and everyone of them have had issues with how they're done. Dr. Fung's books touch on every one of them as well. So go read his books and come back and tell me how his real life protocols don't work and the evidence of high carbs being unhealthy for your body is wrong. Oh and maybe get some fasting and then non fasting blood work to see where your insulin levels lie after your 50% or more calories from carbs diet.
  • ttpr
    ttpr Posts: 9 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    With all due respect, Fung is viewed as a quack by both the medical and research communities. I've read one of his books. He comes to pretty untenable conclusions based on cherry picked evidence. Some of his recommendations are reasonably decent but he comes so some right conclusions based on mostly faulty logic.

    I was also prediabetic when I was 40 lbs heavier. I lost weight. I increased exercise and did it basically eating the same diet I always had without intentionally following any of Fung's recommendations. I now have ideal blood work including BG and A1c. The whole "insulin is the devil" thing is just poor science. For the vast majority of people who are T2D or prediabetic, it is because they are overweight. They are often obese according to BMI charts. They are also often inactive and, because of those factors, they are insulin resistant.

    Yes, a low carb diet can help with insulin resistance. So can weight loss and exercise and intermittent fasting. But the problem isn't the insulin, without which you would die (don't T1D's have to supplement insulin??) The problem is the obesity and sedentary lifestyle. This is where Fung's theory is off the rails.

    Just to put it into perspective einstein was once viewed as a quack 🤷‍♀️... so was Jesus if you're a religious person.

    But you became overweight more than likely due to overeating carbs and sugars and not exercising which in turn made you pre-diabetic... the problem is OVERABUNDANCE of insulin. Not the right amount of insulin. Type 1 diabetics don't make insulin that's why it has to be PROPERLY supplemented. Type 1 diabetics on insulin can actually be both type 1 and 2... did you know that? Because if they're not taking care of what they're eating and just adding more insulin to make their blood sugar right it causes the same issues including weight gain due to an overabundance of insulin.

    To each there own. I've done extensive research and my own personal findings and the findings of my fiance who is a type 2 diabetic tell me that eating high carbs including "complex carbs" like whole grains actually puts his life in jeopardy. So I'll continue to eat a diet that has been proven to significantly reduce dementia, heart disease and risk of diabetes.

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