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Face mask or no face mask?
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Yes, face mask. It's a minor inconvenience and yes, there is evidence that they are helping to reduce the spread. The people who are using this as an opportunity to further their own personal or political agendas are incredibly disgusting.14
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Back in mid March I bought some wool and a sewing kit to make some cloth masks. However the lockdown was going so well and my lack of sewing skills meant I never got around to making them. Occasionally I see someone wearing a mask but since it's been months since anyone died here most people don't bother.
Asians are more likely to wear masks by my observations, both this year and previously. At the peak of lockdown about 1/4 of people were wearing masks at the supermarket.1 -
The silliest argument people make against mask laws is that they are unconstitutional. They say the government can't tell you what to wear on your own body.
Oh reallyyyy?
I guess I should try walking down the street naked...go into some stores and restaurants completely nude. Wonder if I'll be arrested? Could I argue that public decency laws violate my right to wear, or not wear, anything I want?
Besides....the mask orders are TEMPORARY laws enacted to mitigate an emergency situation. This happens all the time after natural disasters. Curfews and other restrictions are temporarily enacted to protect the general public. How is this any different?31 -
Like many others, I do not wear one outside when running or biking, but I'm in an area where maintaining distance is achievable. I also tend to go out at times and places where it is less busy. When walking in public areas where it's bust and harder to maintain distance or indoors in any public place, I wear one.
FWIW, I did one six mile test run in a surgical mask to see how it was. A bit annoying with especially with the hot and humid conditions, but normal HR and no problems, and not something I would have an issue doing if it became necessary due to increased spread or being in a busier environment.
The evidence for the effectiveness of face coverings in slowing the spread of the coronavirus is not perfect, but it now strong enough and growing in strength based on observational studies and studies on the ability of masks to filter droplets and modeling efforts that the cost/benefit is squarely in favor of wearing a face covering.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21299527/masks-coronavirus-covid-19-studies-research-evidence8 -
Citation.will_it_go_round_in_circles wrote: »Also true, it does protect the other people around you. Even the homemade cloth ones.
There is no evidence face coverings prevent the spreading of covid-19 and even the evidence for "proper" 3 layer non-surgical masks is mixed. And if you fiddle with them you are putting yourself at greater risk.
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I've been wearing one for months now and I've been abused for it, which I find crazy. Now it is mandatory in the UK the abuse has slowed but I am still recieving some. At the end of the day, if there is the smallest chance it can protect others, then why not? Its hardly a hardship to wear a mask for that 1minute+ you are in a shop. The way some people act you'd think you've asked them to run a marathon, no no.. just wear a mask while you're in a shop. I personally find it disrespectful when people don't wear them in shops, its kind of like saying "i don't care about your health or if you get covid" regardless of how you feel about them, its hardly a lot to ask to wear a mask for that 1min+ you're in a shop..
Ps. This is a dangerous topic because so many passionate people are against it or for it ..
ps2. If the above offends anyone I apologise, they are just my thoughts, I don't think any less of anyone not wearing one, each to their own.19 -
I wear one in transit, in crowds, in stores, etc. I don't wear one in the park. The second my heart rate gets up masks, or any face covering, trigger panic attacks for me. Same reason I can't wear turtlenecks, I guess. So I stay the hell away from people. If wherever I'm walking gets too peoply, I move on. And to be clear. Wearing a mask doesn't mean you aren't supposed to stay 6ft from people. You are always supposed to stay 6ft away from people. Distance and proper handwashing are the most successful preventative measures we have. This is where I get frustrated. So many people slap on a mask here and then do all the behaviours we've been told not to. Crowding people instead of keeping a respectful distance. That's actually why our government here hasn't been supportive of mandating masks. Distance. Distance. Distance has been the mantra here. And we're doing better than the majority of the country. Except for the intertior... Party boats. How did that ever sound like a good idea?7
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cwolfman13 wrote: »It's mandated to wear a mask in public if you are unable to socially distance or social distancing is more difficult...basically going into the store and whatnot. I do not wear a mask outdoors unless I am in a crowded area...I don't wear one when I ride or go on my walks or hikes. I will not be returning to my big box gym anytime soon so no mask issue there. Once I am off the injured list I will be returning to my one on one personal training gym and I will not be wearing a mask as it is just myself, my wife, and our trainer.
And all of your trainer's other clients. Even if they're not physically present, your trainer is a vector to transmit their germs to you.19 -
Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
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A mask isn't a space suit. It won't isolate me from the world.Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
What a mask will do is catch and hold at least some of the moisture escaping from a person's nose and mouth and reduce the spray distance of what it doesn't catch. That protects others from me, to a certain extent. It's still not a space suit but at least I'm not showering everyone like I'm a lawn sprinkler. When others wear their masks, then they aren't showering me.
A mask is helpful for the same reason we cover our mouths when we cough or sneeze. It's just polite to try to contain any overspray that we can, especially now when that overspray may have COVID-19 in it.27 -
Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
It seems that you have missed the idea that face coverings protect not the wearer but people near the wearer. That's because little droplets of saliva leave your mouth and nose (mucous). These droplets can contain the virus. The droplets can travel some distance. Face coverings block the passage of the tiny droplets.18 -
Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
It doesn't guarantee you won't get it by any means. But, if everyone is wearing one it can greatly minimize the spread. I'd rather not see the healthcare system overwhelmed, and I'd rather control spread by wearing a mask than continue massive shutdowns. The economic impact of this virus is already huge, why would you not do your part to help the world get back to as normal as it can?24 -
#maskingitupbuttercup8
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Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
Lots of people seem convinced masks will protect the patient in the operating room, why? Doctors don't need to wear masks to operate and everyone should demand they don't because it's a delusion.
People die in car accidents despite wearing a seatbelt. We should ban seatbelts because in some cases it makes it hard to get out of the damaged car.
Everyone should sneeze in other people's faces because sneezing into your elbow will not protect others if you're sick.
Hearing protection devices don't filter out all the noise, so they're useless and everyone operating loud machinery should stop wearing them.
Don't wear sunscreen, it won't protect you from sunburn 100%, some people are allergic to it, and many people don't apply it correctly.30 -
Mask. I started wearing one when I mow years ago. It took a while to get used to then. But now it’s comfortable. And such an easy thing to do. N95 bought years ago in a pack of 3 at Home Depot.6
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I wear one if I am going somewhere people HAVE to go. Grocery store, post office, gas station... ect. Those are places people have to be. Now the gym? Nope. The gym is not a must, its a luxury. There is no mandate in my town, county, or state that I have to. If you feel like you could be at high risk or be around someone who is, don't come in. jmho....7
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This is something worthy to pass around
Cover your nose with your mask to prevent COVID-19 spread | Miami Herald
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244473917.html3 -
Much thanks. That's a good one. ^^
I did give you a hug, psychod but this is exactly why I won't be going back to my dirty gym any time soon or the swimming pool either. The dressing rooms are absolutely a mess. You have no idea who tests negative one day and positive the next. It's too risky for me to bring it home to the older ones I'm around. In a nursing home just a hop and a skip away, there are now 15 dead and the numbers keep rising. Why they don't get the others out of there is beyond me. I guess no one wants them and their families aren't bringing them home either.6 -
Mmmmmm... huckleberries... yum...Diatonic12 wrote: »
My parents just send us some huckleberry chapstick so we could restock and my husband asked if there was a huckleberry shake in there too
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This is something worthy to pass around
Cover your nose with your mask to prevent COVID-19 spread | Miami Herald
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244473917.html
Are you sure chins don't catch COVID-19 first?
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AngelOfMusic1028 wrote: »I ALWAYS wear a mask around other people. I will not risk giving my mom any kind of sickness. She has lung, breast and bone cancer on top of COPD plus had radiation treatments. That reason is why I get so frustrated about people complaining they need to wear a mask. I don't care if I get sick. I care if she gets sick!
People like your mom are the only reason I wear a mask. I would not be able to live with myself if I found out (or thought) that I came into contact with an at-risk person and made them sick or killed them. I personally don't think the masks do anything at all, but I would rather wear one just in case.4 -
I wear a face mask just the same way I would put on a seat belt when I get in a car...probably I won't get in an accident, but if I do I want to know that I took every precaution.
The virus is an airborne virus. It travels in the air, it lands on surfaces. We don't know exactly how far it travels, how long it lingers on surfaces.
Given that we know so little, I'm taking every precaution that I can.
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Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
It comes from misinformation or fear. Japan is often considered the golden standard. However according to Worldometers, there are 40% of the countries in the world that have less deaths by M. All the Asian zone is low death, masks or not. And they have no idea what is social distancing either, as they are stacked up. You are right that all these masks with zero rating won't prevent an infection of a virus. Their meshing is like 20x the size of the virus and of course, it doesn't come alone... about 100 000s+ of them when present. Not a chance.
Those useless measures (including lockdowns) don't work and they are the authorities ways to control the message. They destroy our economy. Instead of paying once for that ordeal, we pay twice or thrice because they were successful to traumatize the population. Few people know how many communicable infectuous deaths show year after year. WHO reported 1.5M deaths for 2018 alone. It is not even the worst and there are many, many others.
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ShredWeek1 wrote: »I wear a face mask just the same way I would put on a seat belt when I get in a car...probably I won't get in an accident, but if I do I want to know that I took every precaution.
The virus is an airborne virus. It travels in the air, it lands on surfaces. We don't know exactly how far it travels, how long it lingers on surfaces.
Given that we know so little, I'm taking every precaution that I can.
I had a dream (actually a nightmare), while back where I opened the front door and the virus was trying to get in. I don't remember actually seeing it with its spike protein and all in the dream, but it was the "idea and a ghostly presence" in my dreams telling me that it was there. Awful!!
I had been talking with some friends over the phone and we were commenting that the SARS virus seemed to be lurking everywhere, so maybe that was the reason for the dream. The thought stayed in my sub-conscience.
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I wear a mask at the gym (that's the only pubic space I've been in since March 13th); and only take off for short periods to drink water.
The risk of contracting COVID and spreading it to my kids and elderly father with emphysema outweighs the "discomfort" of the mask. I read that mask use can reduce the wearer's risk of contracting COVID by 30% (can't provide source, but I'm sure that can be googled searched). 30% is better than 0%...and wearing a mask is a super easy behavior.
Plus, I order a KISS mask, so I have a cool mask.13 -
deputy_randolph wrote: »I wear a mask at the gym (that's the only pubic space I've been in since March 13th); and only take off for short periods to drink water.
The risk of contracting COVID and spreading it to my kids and elderly father with emphysema outweighs the "discomfort" of the mask. I read that mask use can reduce the wearer's risk of contracting COVID by 30% (can't provide source, but I'm sure that can be googled searched). 30% is better than 0%...and wearing a mask is a super easy behavior.
Plus, I order a KISS mask, so I have a cool mask.
Your gym sounds very interesting.... 4 -
Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
Are you referring to this?: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/covid-mask-layers-wellness/index.html
Please, post the link if you are going to refer to an article in a newspaper or magazine.2 -
Anyone ever read up on the Spanish Flu of 1918. 102 years ago and they controlled spread (in some cities that mandated it) with social distancing and mask wearing:
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I work with the public and am exposed to hundreds of people a day. I wear a mask 8 hours at work -- it's required, for good reason. Several employees have come down with COVID-19.
I keep a box of masks in my car so I can put one on to run into the grocery or other store. I wear a mask if I stop by my elderly neighbor's house to drop something off at the door (otherwise, I stay away from her).
I don't wear a mask when I exercise outside by myself, but keep one handy if I pass people. I don't like masks, but so what. I would rather wear one than up for my risk for the disease, or give it to others.
I'm in the United States. More people have died here from COVID-19 than Americans who died in the Vietnam War or WWI. Most people only have to wear a mask for a few minutes, less than an hour, when they go into a store or other public place. I see the refusal to wear a mask as mostly ignorance and a lack of caring about other people. If you don't care if you get the disease, okay. Why spread it to other people and overwhelm the hospitals?14
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