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  • DnarulesDnarules Member Posts: 2,025 Member Member Posts: 2,025 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    Dnarules wrote: »
    lokihen wrote: »
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    Wearing a mask in public, for me, has become like wearing a seat belt. I feel naked without it. Plus it covers my teeth in case I didn't see the broccoli.

    I wear one when required, but counting the days until not required. Will wear seat belt forever.

    While I doubt it will become as cultural here in the US as it is in some Asian countries, I hope it becomes normal to wear one when we have colds and flu.

    I would like to see masks used more during flu season. Not mandated....but just a shift to people using the..

    Doubt it will happen on a widespread basis in most of the US. The places in Asia where you commonly see them being worn have terrible air quality and high population density.

    I agree. Just a wish lol.
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,407 Member Member Posts: 6,407 Member
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    edited August 21
  • cgvet37cgvet37 Member Posts: 1,076 Member Member Posts: 1,076 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    Dnarules wrote: »
    lokihen wrote: »
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    Wearing a mask in public, for me, has become like wearing a seat belt. I feel naked without it. Plus it covers my teeth in case I didn't see the broccoli.

    I wear one when required, but counting the days until not required. Will wear seat belt forever.

    While I doubt it will become as cultural here in the US as it is in some Asian countries, I hope it becomes normal to wear one when we have colds and flu.

    I would like to see masks used more during flu season. Not mandated....but just a shift to people using the..

    Doubt it will happen on a widespread basis in most of the US. The places in Asia where you commonly see them being worn have terrible air quality and high population density.

    I think it's not just that, but also cultural. I live near an area with a good many East Asians in Chicago, and it was reasonably common to see people in masks before this.

    But I agree it's unlikely to catch on in the US.

    No, it's because of pollution. The pollution in mainland China is so bad they have to wet the streets. They don't have regulations like we do here. A lot of that pollution winds up in Japan, that's why you see a lot of Japanese wearing masks.
  • cgvet37cgvet37 Member Posts: 1,076 Member Member Posts: 1,076 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Masks do nothing but give a false sense of security. You better wear a respirator, goggles, and gloves. Dispose of gloves before entering your vehicle. Sanitize your car and anything you purchased when you get home. You better take your clothes off in the garage, and immediately take them to the washer. Then take a shower. If not, you are putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

    Hey you. :) I appreciate your thoughts on masks. I don't know if you mentioned social distancing or not. If you do that then masks are not so important. Are you doing that? That is really important.

    I go to the gym 3 days a week. I go to friends houses. I go to resteraunts. I'm not going to live in fear.

    Do you know what is funny? You ARE actually showing you are living in fear by behaving this way. Wishing you the best though. Sorry to read you are scared. We all are a little bit.

    I'm scared, because I don't wear a mask like a good little sheep?
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,407 Member Member Posts: 6,407 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Masks do nothing but give a false sense of security. You better wear a respirator, goggles, and gloves. Dispose of gloves before entering your vehicle. Sanitize your car and anything you purchased when you get home. You better take your clothes off in the garage, and immediately take them to the washer. Then take a shower. If not, you are putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

    Hey you. :) I appreciate your thoughts on masks. I don't know if you mentioned social distancing or not. If you do that then masks are not so important. Are you doing that? That is really important.

    I go to the gym 3 days a week. I go to friends houses. I go to resteraunts. I'm not going to live in fear.

    Do you know what is funny? You ARE actually showing you are living in fear by behaving this way. Wishing you the best though. Sorry to read you are scared. We all are a little bit.

    I'm scared, because I don't wear a mask like a good little sheep?

    Yep. I think so otherwise you wouldn't be raving on about it and just do it because you care about others and not just yourself. I don't need a mask. My city has no Covid so guess I'll let you get back to the gym. I have masks ready if it comes though.
    edited August 21
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,407 Member Member Posts: 6,407 Member
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    Are they coming over the boarder. Not sure where you are but if there is a hotspot over a boarder then it should be closed like ours is to hotspots.
  • BrustMannEinerBrustMannEiner Member Posts: 360 Member Member Posts: 360 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    Are they coming over the boarder. Not sure where you are but if there is a hotspot over a boarder then it should be closed like ours is to hotspots.

    Coming across state lines but no state lines are closed nor are peoples travel restrictions going to be enforced if they are even enforceable.

    But, meh, we're the selfish ones who don't care about everyone else.
    edited August 21
  • laurenq1991laurenq1991 Member Posts: 384 Member Member Posts: 384 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    A relative who shall remain anony-mouse ran all over the country following rallies. They now have a case of 'Rona with a 103 degree temp for over two weeks. I should've believed it was real y'all. It's real. It's real. Oooo, shut the hail uppp. The rest of us knew that at Hellooo.

    There's a difference between "not believing COVID-19 is real" and having the opinion that the COVID-19 restrictions are unsustainable and ineffective. Of course I believe COVID-19 is a real illness that exists and kills people. Now, if you're a non-elderly, healthy person, especially if you're non-obese, you have almost no chance of dying from it, statistically speaking -- that's just going by the data. But yes, it is a real illness and people have died from it.

    However, people have also died from secondary effects of lockdowns, and will continue to do so for years. That's the part everyone forgets.
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    All the rich people, or people with rich parents, in the NYC area fled in March to their country houses, taking COVID-19 with them in some cases. I know so many people who did this. While simultaneously virtue-signaling "stay home, save lives" (unless you're going to a protest) to the people who lost their jobs, people who are trapped with their abusers, people who want to kill themselves due to social isolation, people who have other health problems they couldn't get medical care for, and the ever-increasing number of homeless people in the NYC area.
    ythannah wrote: »
    I have to agree about the investment picture, and I'm in a different country. Yes the TSX took a hefty downturn in mid-March but it has almost recovered to its previous level. I guess I've lost 8 months potential growth, but that's about it.

    That's because it's being propped up artificially. Eventually it will have to crash along with everything else. If you're lucky enough to have a decent investment portfolio, yeah, you've made money in the past few months. If you're the average person who lives paycheck to paycheck like 80% of Americans, you're locked out of all that "growth."
    edited August 22
  • BrustMannEinerBrustMannEiner Member Posts: 360 Member Member Posts: 360 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    A relative who shall remain anony-mouse ran all over the country following rallies. They now have a case of 'Rona with a 103 degree temp for over two weeks. I should've believed it was real y'all. It's real. It's real. Oooo, shut the hail uppp. The rest of us knew that at Hellooo.

    There's a difference between "not believing COVID-19 is real" and having the opinion that the COVID-19 restrictions are unsustainable and ineffective. Of course I believe COVID-19 is a real illness that exists and kills people. Now, if you're a non-elderly, healthy person, especially if you're non-obese, you have almost no chance of dying from it, statistically speaking -- that's just going by the data. But yes, it is a real illness and people have died from it.

    However, people have also died from secondary effects of lockdowns, and will continue to do so for years. That's the part everyone forgets.
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    All the rich people, or people with rich parents, in the NYC area fled in March to their country houses, taking COVID-19 with them in some cases. I know so many people who did this. While simultaneously virtue-signaling "stay home, save lives" (unless you're going to a protest) to the people who lost their jobs, people who are trapped with their abusers, people who want to kill themselves due to social isolation, people who have other health problems they couldn't get medical care for, and the ever-increasing number of homeless people in the NYC area.

    100% true.
  • laurenq1991laurenq1991 Member Posts: 384 Member Member Posts: 384 Member
    100% true.

    I forgot to mention kids who are being denied proper education and socialization, and whose families aren't rich and well-connected enough to set up a "learning pod" or hire private tutors. Check out this guy over here, telling people he's keeping his kids home, when he is a rich and famous TV personality who can hire private tutors and get all kinds of other resources for his kids that the average person could never dream of.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/health/covid-kids-school-gupta-essay/index.html
    edited August 22
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,407 Member Member Posts: 6,407 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    Are they coming over the boarder. Not sure where you are but if there is a hotspot over a boarder then it should be closed like ours is to hotspots.

    Coming across state lines but no state lines are closed nor are peoples travel restrictions going to be enforced if they are even enforceable.

    But, meh, we're the selfish ones who don't care about everyone else.

    No you sound like you do care about others. I wish they could be kept away from there for your safety same as I don't want all the tourists coming here if they don't try to be safe and do the right things.
  • catmarch4catmarch4 Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    Mask. Definitely
  • BrustMannEinerBrustMannEiner Member Posts: 360 Member Member Posts: 360 Member
    Hollis100 wrote: »
    100% true.

    I forgot to mention kids who are being denied proper education and socialization, and whose families aren't rich and well-connected enough to set up a "learning pod" or hire private tutors. Check out this guy over here, telling people he's keeping his kids home, when he is a rich and famous TV personality who can hire private tutors and get all kinds of other resources for his kids that the average person could never dream of.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/health/covid-kids-school-gupta-essay/index.html

    I'm responding to your comment about proper education and socialization.

    Last night, when I was at work (I work in retail), I talked to an elementary school teacher. Yesterday was the first day of school. She teaches 2nd and 3rd graders. I could tell she was worried.

    First of all, her school taped her whole classroom floor into a grid with 6 x 6 foot squares (she showed me photos on her phone). Each kid has a desk in the middle of that square -- and they have to stay there ALL DAY. Again, we're talking about kids in the 2nd and 3rd grades. They have one desk to the side where one kid can go to sit if they feel upset. Also, these little kids have to wear a mask ALL DAY.

    I am absolutely for people wearing masks, always. However, I told this teacher that I see adults every day who refuse to wear a mask for even 15 minutes, but somehow we expect little kids to wear one all day, plus stay inside a 6 foot x 6 foot square. What kind of "proper socialization" is going to take place?

    If I was a parent and had the option, I would vastly prefer online learning to this situation. Plus it would be far safer for both children and teachers. Or keep the schools closed for a semester -- better that than to have thousands of people come down with the disease.

    Understand your point and mostly concur but regarding the bold every parent has an option; Homeschooling, private schooling, tutoring, virtual education, etc.

    Prior life decisions, such as lifestyles requiring two full time incomes, do not absolve parents from their responsibility to ensure their children are educated properly.
  • ExistingFishExistingFish Member Posts: 1,109 Member Member Posts: 1,109 Member
    Hollis100 wrote: »
    100% true.

    I forgot to mention kids who are being denied proper education and socialization, and whose families aren't rich and well-connected enough to set up a "learning pod" or hire private tutors. Check out this guy over here, telling people he's keeping his kids home, when he is a rich and famous TV personality who can hire private tutors and get all kinds of other resources for his kids that the average person could never dream of.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/health/covid-kids-school-gupta-essay/index.html

    I'm responding to your comment about proper education and socialization.

    Last night, when I was at work (I work in retail), I talked to an elementary school teacher. Yesterday was the first day of school. She teaches 2nd and 3rd graders here in the United States. I could tell she was worried.

    First of all, her school taped her whole classroom floor into a grid with 6 x 6 foot squares (she showed me photos on her phone). Each kid has a desk in the middle of that square -- and they have to stay there ALL DAY. Again, we're talking about kids in the 2nd and 3rd grades. They have one desk to the side where one kid can go to sit if they feel upset. Also, these little kids have to wear a mask ALL DAY.

    I am absolutely for people wearing masks, always. However, I told this teacher that I see adults every day who refuse to wear a mask for even 15 minutes, but somehow we expect little kids to wear one all day, plus stay inside a 6 foot x 6 foot square. What kind of "proper socialization" is going to take place?

    If I was a parent and had the option, I would vastly prefer online learning to this situation. Plus it would be far safer for both children and teachers. Or keep the schools closed for a semester -- better that than to have thousands of people come down with the disease.

    I thought if you were maintaining 6' distance masks were not necessary? Maybe that's just my state. Masks are mandated when you CANNOT maintain 6' distance. I see requiring them in hallways and stuff, but if the desks are enforced 6' distancing, isn't that socially distant?

    Also in my state, kids 10 and under are not required to wear masks, so 2nd and 3rd grade would be a no. In schools, they are only required for 4th grade and up - at least the schools policies I've read.
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,407 Member Member Posts: 6,407 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    Are they coming over the boarder. Not sure where you are but if there is a hotspot over a boarder then it should be closed like ours is to hotspots.

    Coming across state lines but no state lines are closed nor are peoples travel restrictions going to be enforced if they are even enforceable.

    But, meh, we're the selfish ones who don't care about everyone else.

    I at least do NOT think you are selfish. You are being totally sensible.
  • BrustMannEinerBrustMannEiner Member Posts: 360 Member Member Posts: 360 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Shout out to all my like minded and 'selfish' friends. Be safe those of you out in the counties, rural communities, and small towns of the United States where you've done perfectly fine so far. Remember, it's Friday and the mass exodus of city dwellers began upwards of 6 hours ago on the east coast and they may be heading to your area for the weekend to get some space and fresh air. Remember also, that although you've spent the past week being responsible, looking out for yourselves and local community, it is also you who are expected to help anyone other than yourself. This includes those which you would not have come into contact with except for the fact that they traveled to you. Wear a mask for 'their protection'.

    Are they coming over the boarder. Not sure where you are but if there is a hotspot over a boarder then it should be closed like ours is to hotspots.

    Coming across state lines but no state lines are closed nor are peoples travel restrictions going to be enforced if they are even enforceable.

    But, meh, we're the selfish ones who don't care about everyone else.

    I at least do NOT think you are selfish. You are being totally sensible.

    You're good. You've never thrown out those accusations like others have.
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