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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck21
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cmriverside wrote: »sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.
The US regulators demanded their own trials of the Oxford-AZ vaccine rather than accept the trials done in the UK and Europe and this trial has just completed and your regulators will consider and decide whether to licence it or not to add to the selections of vaccines available for use.
I had my first shot of the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago and second one is booked for May. Unlike the EU which seems highly politicised the UK has generally been very keen to get vaccinated as soon as possible and the uptake has been very successful. Infection rates and hospitalisation has plummeted here.
When you have socialized medicine, that would seem to push mandatory vaccines, plus only offering the one dose in the initial phases would help.
Just as an FYI, our new cases and hospitalizations have also plummeted in the last month but they're still happening. Death rates are nearly zero in my state right now (7 million population.) New hospitalizations are at about 20 per day, where they were at just over 100 per day six weeks ago.2 -
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"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
One thing I've realized over the past few years is that one should never underestimate the number of Americans who have an instinctive, unthinking negative response to being told that a particular course of action demonstrates consideration to others or future generations.
Whether it's getting a vaccination, switching to a light bulb that uses less energy, or locking up dangerous tools, too many of us determine not to do something if there's a suggestion that others think it would demonstrate you care about what happens to others.
The whole mistake that was made with everything about Covid was that too much of it was presented as ways to demonstrating caring for vulnerable people and a big chunk of the American public doesn't see that as a priority or even sees it as a negative.
I'm feeling very pessimistic about this today, but there are lots of people who will never agree to get a vaccination because they think it's only something for the "opposite team" and getting it suggests weakness.
From a de la soul song:
I don't give money
I don't support the needy
Schooled in America
Taught to be greedy7 -
Apparently 2 people don't think those lyrics are from a de la song. 🤣11
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Got my second jab of Moderna. Now waiting for enough friends to catch up so we can have coffee closer9
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"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns."Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Hopefully the US still send us their stockpile! - they are supposed to be sending us 1.5 million doses of Astra Zeneca this month. They made it out to sound like they are doing us a huge favour- but actually they haven’t even approved it yet so can’t use them before they expire, so they are sending them to Canada and Mexico (and we have to send some back later). So who is helping who here? 😄3 -
cmriverside wrote: »
Well that graph flattens out at a depressing place, doesn't it. At least the projection does...0 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
Quoting myself to say I should've given the source (National Public Radio, in the US; All Things Considered program.) Also, if you care, here's the link to the audio (3 minutes):
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/22/980075508/preliminary-study-results-deem-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-safe-and-effecti0 -
this is both the first time and the last time i'm looking at the mfp forums8
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cmriverside wrote: »So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.8 -
cmriverside wrote: »So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.
If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.5 -
Some doctors and nurses are better with needles than others. I've had a few that stung and some I didn't feel.1
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hobbitses333 wrote: »There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date.
There was a vaccine in the testing phase for SARS1 back in 2003. 🙂13 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date.
Vaccine development requires funding. Previous coronaviruses that were serious enough to possibly warrant a vaccine had limited spread, and coronaviruses that spread widely weren't dangerous enough to warrant a vaccine. There has been research done, but in the competition for research money, a coronavirus has never been both dangerous enough and spread widely enough to win enough grant money to procede through development and trialing.7 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.9 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Except that the 99.98% survival rate was a lie. You moved the decimal point over twice. Don’t do that, please.19
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