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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate

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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    JustaNoob wrote: »
    I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.

    So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.

    Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.

    There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.

    There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
    Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.

    But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉

    Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.
  • qhob_89
    qhob_89 Posts: 105 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    JustaNoob wrote: »
    I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.

    So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.

    Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.

    There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.

    There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
    Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.

    But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉

    Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.

    I’d just use the database entries for rat poison and bleach... be sure to double the serving size of both to be sure you aren’t underestimating. Close enough!

    On second thought, if you request the keto friendly version that’s also gluten and dairy free, you may want to ask for an ingredient list to ensure accurate logging!

    Hope this helps! 😙
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,009 Member
    edited March 2021
    pfeiferlindsey wrote: »
    I wouldn't wish flu on my worst enemy.

    Had the flu once in my life. Was probably the worst I have ever felt. Hot on the outside, freezing on the inside. My bones ached. My arms and legs felt like they weighed a thousand pounds. Everything hurt. I was 27 and bounced right back. Would not want to have to do it again at 49...
  • ahoy_m8
    ahoy_m8 Posts: 3,053 Member
    edited March 2021
    nooshi713 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    sijomial wrote: »
    "Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.

    More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.

    The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462

    Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.

    Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.

    The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!

    While I completely agree with you, there is an added detail. The point of concern was the incidence among vaccine recipients who were also young women, not the most likely blood clot group but not unheard of either, obv. So the relevant comparison was to young women, not gen pop. But the incidence rate checked out as not problematic.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,620 Member
    nooshi713 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    sijomial wrote: »
    "Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.

    More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.

    The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462

    Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.

    Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.

    The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!

    I don't know if this is true, and I have no way of checking it out. All I can say was that the source was not ultra-fringe-y (it was a radio report I heard in passing, either NPR or BBC, talking to someone from the science community in Europe, I believe).

    What was said was that in the cases that caused concern, the *type* of blood clots were a part of what caused concern. IIRC, they said there was a "whole body" widespread aspect that made the cases especially unusual, and that the similarity to a symptom that had been seen in some severe (deadly) Covid cases, was part of the reason for extra caution.

    Like I said, I have neither sources nor expertise to evaluate this claim, but am mentioning it because others may have those resources.

    I completely agree with you (Nooshi) that looking at incidence of blood clots in a statistical sense, there was overcaution, possibly detrimental in a big-picture sense. At the time, I assumed there might be a PR aspect to this, i.e., if the cases are publicized in a sensational way, the authorities *not* reacting may feed conspiracy theories and vaccine hesitancy, in ways that will increase future odds of disease spread more than the pause for investigation. But that last was pure speculation on my part.

    It's tempting to assume, as a member of the general public, that European authorities were over-reacting and irresponsible, but I have a degree of learned caution about making assumptions when I don't have full details. In particular, listening to international (such as BBC) coverage of US events I'm quite familiar with, I have some sense that as one gets further from the sources, the coverage can get more broad-brush, to the point of leading to inaccurate conclusions.

    Again, I'm not advancing the "unusual type of blood clots" as a truth. It's a report I heard, for which I have no independent, authoritative confirmation.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.

    Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.

    And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.

    Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.

    And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.

    People die unexpectedly, and when you have the whole world getting vaccinated at the same time, you're bound to have some of those unexpected deaths happen soon after but unrelated to the shot.

    So there's good reason to think it was almost certainly unrelated, but you also want to err in the side of caution. But you also don't want to slow vaccination rates when dealing with a global pandemic. I do not envy the people who need to make these decisions!
  • nooshi713
    nooshi713 Posts: 4,877 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.

    Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.

    And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.

    People die unexpectedly, and when you have the whole world getting vaccinated at the same time, you're bound to have some of those unexpected deaths happen soon after but unrelated to the shot.

    So there's good reason to think it was almost certainly unrelated, but you also want to err in the side of caution. But you also don't want to slow vaccination rates when dealing with a global pandemic. I do not envy the people who need to make these decisions!

    Yep! Correlation or coincidence does not equal causation. Even when accounting for the *rare* or more dangerous types of clots, the incidence is still less than in the general population.
  • nooshi713
    nooshi713 Posts: 4,877 Member
    edited March 2021
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    nooshi713 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    sijomial wrote: »
    "Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.

    More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.

    The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462

    Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.

    Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.

    The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!

    I don't know if this is true, and I have no way of checking it out. All I can say was that the source was not ultra-fringe-y (it was a radio report I heard in passing, either NPR or BBC, talking to someone from the science community in Europe, I believe).

    What was said was that in the cases that caused concern, the *type* of blood clots were a part of what caused concern. IIRC, they said there was a "whole body" widespread aspect that made the cases especially unusual, and that the similarity to a symptom that had been seen in some severe (deadly) Covid cases, was part of the reason for extra caution.

    Like I said, I have neither sources nor expertise to evaluate this claim, but am mentioning it because others may have those resources.

    I completely agree with you (Nooshi) that looking at incidence of blood clots in a statistical sense, there was overcaution, possibly detrimental in a big-picture sense. At the time, I assumed there might be a PR aspect to this, i.e., if the cases are publicized in a sensational way, the authorities *not* reacting may feed conspiracy theories and vaccine hesitancy, in ways that will increase future odds of disease spread more than the pause for investigation. But that last was pure speculation on my part.

    It's tempting to assume, as a member of the general public, that European authorities were over-reacting and irresponsible, but I have a degree of learned caution about making assumptions when I don't have full details. In particular, listening to international (such as BBC) coverage of US events I'm quite familiar with, I have some sense that as one gets further from the sources, the coverage can get more broad-brush, to the point of leading to inaccurate conclusions.

    Again, I'm not advancing the "unusual type of blood clots" as a truth. It's a report I heard, for which I have no independent, authoritative confirmation.
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.

    Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.

    And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.

    The thing is, in the ER we see these types of rare problems and diseases regularly because typically when something goes really wrong, people come to the ER. These things have been happening long before Covid was a thing. There are plenty of instances of young otherwise healthy people who comes in with major problems. In the grand scheme of things, these conditions may be rare but we see them in the ER more. A few people out of a million doesn’t prove or even suggest anything. I’m not saying either of you were suggesting this. Just responding with my take on it.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.

    Thank you! I am not able to look at it or I will pass out cold. I'm not even that good with seeing the syringe waving around before it comes anywhere near me, or watching someone get an injection on TV, I'm that phobic. I really enjoy watching the show Intervention but I spend half the episode with my head turned when they feature an IV drug user. :D

    But at least if I don't feel it, I can pretend it's not happening.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,620 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    She believes the vaccine I got contains a microchip, and that it may "take away specific emotions". I'll be getting the 2nd dose on Thursday.

    Can I order mine with a side of "remove needle phobia" please? That would be handy.

    Pretty sure that if you can figure out who controls your microchip, you can pay them for that service. But you have to get the vax first, poke-y-wise, sadly.

    For the very literal: Joking. JOKING!
  • Minion_training_program
    Minion_training_program Posts: 13,440 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    Trypanophobia...it's a b*tch!
    I can pass out, just by seeing a needle

    Still i will get the vaccin when i get the change, if not for me, it's for my wife who is a lung patient (astma) and my parents who i can't give a hug right now
  • Minion_training_program
    Minion_training_program Posts: 13,440 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.

    Thank you! I am not able to look at it or I will pass out cold. I'm not even that good with seeing the syringe waving around before it comes anywhere near me, or watching someone get an injection on TV, I'm that phobic. I really enjoy watching the show Intervention but I spend half the episode with my head turned when they feature an IV drug user. :D

    But at least if I don't feel it, I can pretend it's not happening.

    This is so recognizable...
  • Minion_training_program
    Minion_training_program Posts: 13,440 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    She believes the vaccine I got contains a microchip, and that it may "take away specific emotions". I'll be getting the 2nd dose on Thursday.

    Can I order mine with a side of "remove needle phobia" please? That would be handy.

    OEH! i want in on this one
    maybe if we write a letter together they will make it for us
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    Minion_training_program wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    She believes the vaccine I got contains a microchip, and that it may "take away specific emotions". I'll be getting the 2nd dose on Thursday.

    Can I order mine with a side of "remove needle phobia" please? That would be handy.

    OEH! i want in on this one
    maybe if we write a letter together they will make it for us

    Yes! We can maybe get a BOGO deal!

    I am quite candid about my issue with medical personnel and I have found most are very accommodating. They always distract me with idle chatter while they do the deed.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    Minion_training_program wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.

    Thank you! I am not able to look at it or I will pass out cold. I'm not even that good with seeing the syringe waving around before it comes anywhere near me, or watching someone get an injection on TV, I'm that phobic. I really enjoy watching the show Intervention but I spend half the episode with my head turned when they feature an IV drug user. :D

    But at least if I don't feel it, I can pretend it's not happening.

    This is so recognizable...

    My mother was an RN for many years. I remember her saying that she told squeamish folks to cover their eyes when the shot was coming. There was also advice to cough at the moment of the "stick" to distract the patient.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,754 Member
    My mom said that she didn’t even feel it either time.
  • siobhanaoife
    siobhanaoife Posts: 151 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.

    Thank you! I am not able to look at it or I will pass out cold. I'm not even that good with seeing the syringe waving around before it comes anywhere near me, or watching someone get an injection on TV, I'm that phobic. I really enjoy watching the show Intervention but I spend half the episode with my head turned when they feature an IV drug user. :D

    But at least if I don't feel it, I can pretend it's not happening.

    If you ever want to, I've found that exposure therapy can address needle phobia. My daughter had extreme needle phobia but required regular blood draws and injections for medical reasons. It reached the point that she could not access necessary health care. We worked with a specialist in phobias to do progressive exposure therapy, and while it's been harrowing, she now can get shots, and is scheduled for a blood draw soon. It involves doing uncomfortable but tolerable amounts of exposure to whatever your phobic about, until they get kind of boring, and then taking it up a level progressively. The human mind can get bored of almost anything given enough exposure :) Your milage may vary, but I just wanted to put it out there for any needle phobic people who are perhaps going without healthcare (vaccinations, etc) because it's not possible for them right now.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    siobhanaoife wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    So maybe he's afraid of needles.

    Which... :neutral:

    I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.

    If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.

    Thank you! I am not able to look at it or I will pass out cold. I'm not even that good with seeing the syringe waving around before it comes anywhere near me, or watching someone get an injection on TV, I'm that phobic. I really enjoy watching the show Intervention but I spend half the episode with my head turned when they feature an IV drug user. :D

    But at least if I don't feel it, I can pretend it's not happening.

    If you ever want to, I've found that exposure therapy can address needle phobia. My daughter had extreme needle phobia but required regular blood draws and injections for medical reasons. It reached the point that she could not access necessary health care. We worked with a specialist in phobias to do progressive exposure therapy, and while it's been harrowing, she now can get shots, and is scheduled for a blood draw soon. It involves doing uncomfortable but tolerable amounts of exposure to whatever your phobic about, until they get kind of boring, and then taking it up a level progressively. The human mind can get bored of almost anything given enough exposure :) Your milage may vary, but I just wanted to put it out there for any needle phobic people who are perhaps going without healthcare (vaccinations, etc) because it's not possible for them right now.

    I'm considering it, if it's available here, since I am getting worse with age. I never actually fainted from a needle until after I turned 50.

    I've never gone without health care because of it, not after my late teens and early 20s anyway. I just buckle down and do it. That seems to be part of the problem. My rational mind is saying "suck it up" while my body is saying "noooo, you hate this" and knocks me out cold to prove it. Or I could just blame it on menopause like I blame everything else.

    Same with me progressive exposure worked for my phobia - I used to have a bridge phobia and couldn't drive over or under one (even highway ramps would bother me). We had three kids and with them all doing sports I had to step up and drive them places where bridges and ramps couldn't be avoided, and it did fade with time. I barely even think of it anymore.

    You can also do hypnosis, which is a similar concept (progressive exposure), but quicker.

  • Eaglesfanintn
    Eaglesfanintn Posts: 813 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    Got Pfizer vax #1 on Tuesday. Had some headaches first two days. Arm hurt a little - not nearly as much as the flu vaccine.

    My wife got her first on Wednesday, thankfully no side effects. I get my first tomorrow and hoping for the same.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    hobbitses333 wrote: »
    There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date.

    Vaccine development requires funding. Previous coronaviruses that were serious enough to possibly warrant a vaccine had limited spread, and coronaviruses that spread widely weren't dangerous enough to warrant a vaccine. There has been research done, but in the competition for research money, a coronavirus has never been both dangerous enough and spread widely enough to win enough grant money to procede through development and trialing.

    Yes, I heard an interesting piece about the malaria vaccine, which is only around 30% effective, and gets no where near the funding COVID did.

    https://www.wbur.org/npr/979809529/covid-19-vaccine-progress-could-mean-good-news-for-malaria-vaccine

    "...probably in the 10 months of 2020, in excess of $14 billion were invested in developing SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. The one [malaria] vaccine that we have, RTS,S - that's taken 30 years to develop, probably all along received far less than $1 billion. So vaccines against malaria because they are targeted to some of the poorest sectors of our global community represent a market failure, and they therefore don't attract the type of resources that can be and are mobilized when the problem does affect other parts of the world."
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