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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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Got my first dose yesterday! I'll let ya'll know if I grow a 3rd eye...13
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I just qualified as of today and I scheduled my first dose for April 11. Knowing that I get to hug my best friend at the end of April (her SO has many health issues that would kill him if he got COVID) has me crying this morning. I also don't have to be fearful of hugging my grandma as she's fully vaccinated and I soon will be.10
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I am grateful that wearing a mask does not bother me. Do I love it? No. At the end of the day is it a deal breaker? No...13
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The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...23 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...7 -
If you don't like the vaccine, you're going to hate the ventilator.22
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cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.15 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.5 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »I just qualified as of today and I scheduled my first dose for April 11. Knowing that I get to hug my best friend at the end of April (her SO has many health issues that would kill him if he got COVID) has me crying this morning. I also don't have to be fearful of hugging my grandma as she's fully vaccinated and I soon will be.
Totally understand this. I get my first shot tomorrow and am so looking forward to being fully vaccinated. My husband is at super high risk (and can't be vaccinated right now) so it will give me some much needed peace of mind.10 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
One thing I've realized over the past few years is that one should never underestimate the number of Americans who have an instinctive, unthinking negative response to being told that a particular course of action demonstrates consideration to others or future generations.
Whether it's getting a vaccination, switching to a light bulb that uses less energy, or locking up dangerous tools, too many of us determine not to do something if there's a suggestion that others think it would demonstrate you care about what happens to others.
The whole mistake that was made with everything about Covid was that too much of it was presented as ways to demonstrating caring for vulnerable people and a big chunk of the American public doesn't see that as a priority or even sees it as a negative.
I'm feeling very pessimistic about this today, but there are lots of people who will never agree to get a vaccination because they think it's only something for the "opposite team" and getting it suggests weakness.19 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
Yeah, I'm hoping it's like those who said, "I'll never wear a mask!!!" If we (the rest of us who also buy auto and homeowners' insurance) keep doing the right thing and being vocal about it - maybe the social/family/career pressure will kick in at some point.
I mean, even if the whole thing was exaggerated...why would you not want to hedge your bet? Do people really think this kind of vaccine is dangerous? I guess maybe if I were in my twenties with no life experience I might be cautiously wait-and-see-I'm-still-immune-to-life-consequences, but I don't/didn't really have any reservations at all being in my sixties.
Things start getting a lot more dicey as you (we/I) get older. I used to drink and smoke and dance all night and sleep with people on third dates in the 1970s, too.
Lucky I lived THIS long. I've used up my Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free cards.9 -
cmriverside wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
Yeah, I'm hoping it's like those who said, "I'll never wear a mask!!!" If we (the rest of us who also buy auto and homeowners' insurance) keep doing the right thing and being vocal about it - maybe the social/family/career pressure will kick in at some point.
I mean, even if the whole thing was exaggerated...why would you not want to hedge your bet? Do people really think this kind of vaccine is dangerous? I guess maybe if I were in my twenties with no life experience I might be cautiously wait-and-see-I'm-still-immune-to-life-consequences, but I don't/didn't really have any reservations at all being in my sixties.
Things start getting a lot more dicey as you (we/I) get older. I used to drink and smoke and dance all night and sleep with people on third dates in the 1970s, too.
Lucky I lived THIS long. I've used up my Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free cards.
Exactly this--a sign of getting old. I remember when seat belts were mandatory. It took a few years for the hub bub to die down and then it was a normal thing. Anybody remember when the speed limit on freeways was capped at 55 because of an oil shortage--55 alive? That was another to do which passed with time. Then there were fines for throwing garbage out your car window (yes, people used to just do this). Another protest. I've seen enough of this to know it'll pass. People get used to stuff and move on to the next outrage. It's human nature.5 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
One thing I've realized over the past few years is that one should never underestimate the number of Americans who have an instinctive, unthinking negative response to being told that a particular course of action demonstrates consideration to others or future generations.
Whether it's getting a vaccination, switching to a light bulb that uses less energy, or locking up dangerous tools, too many of us determine not to do something if there's a suggestion that others think it would demonstrate you care about what happens to others.
The whole mistake that was made with everything about Covid was that too much of it was presented as ways to demonstrating caring for vulnerable people and a big chunk of the American public doesn't see that as a priority or even sees it as a negative.
I'm feeling very pessimistic about this today, but there are lots of people who will never agree to get a vaccination because they think it's only something for the "opposite team" and getting it suggests weakness.
Exactly this. It's all about "winning".
There are people who truly do not understand the concept of doing something that benefits someone else. If nothing's in it for them, then why would they do it?
Maybe this was a coincidence, or maybe not....
Remember in the early days of mask-wearing, when we were told that the mask did not protect the wearer, but protected the people around the wearer? My mask protects you...your mask protects me.
After a while, the advice on this from the medical community changed...they said, no, actually, the mask DOES do a lot to protect the wearer as well.
Suddenly, it seemed more people started wearing masks. Maybe it was other factors, but I can't help but think that for some people, the thought that this will benefit ME made them more likely to comply.
It's sad to think that there are so many self-centered people in the world. Like you, I'm a bit pessimistic about it.6 -
sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.
The US regulators demanded their own trials of the Oxford-AZ vaccine rather than accept the trials done in the UK and Europe and this trial has just completed and your regulators will consider and decide whether to licence it or not to add to the selections of vaccines available for use.
I had my first shot of the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago and second one is booked for May. Unlike the EU which seems highly politicised the UK has generally been very keen to get vaccinated as soon as possible and the uptake has been very successful. Infection rates and hospitalisation has plummeted here.4 -
I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.10 -
I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
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rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
I can't believe the meme lied to me!3
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