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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
Yeah, I'm hoping it's like those who said, "I'll never wear a mask!!!" If we (the rest of us who also buy auto and homeowners' insurance) keep doing the right thing and being vocal about it - maybe the social/family/career pressure will kick in at some point.
I mean, even if the whole thing was exaggerated...why would you not want to hedge your bet? Do people really think this kind of vaccine is dangerous? I guess maybe if I were in my twenties with no life experience I might be cautiously wait-and-see-I'm-still-immune-to-life-consequences, but I don't/didn't really have any reservations at all being in my sixties.
Things start getting a lot more dicey as you (we/I) get older. I used to drink and smoke and dance all night and sleep with people on third dates in the 1970s, too.
Lucky I lived THIS long. I've used up my Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free cards. 9 -
cmriverside wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
Yeah, I'm hoping it's like those who said, "I'll never wear a mask!!!" If we (the rest of us who also buy auto and homeowners' insurance) keep doing the right thing and being vocal about it - maybe the social/family/career pressure will kick in at some point.
I mean, even if the whole thing was exaggerated...why would you not want to hedge your bet? Do people really think this kind of vaccine is dangerous? I guess maybe if I were in my twenties with no life experience I might be cautiously wait-and-see-I'm-still-immune-to-life-consequences, but I don't/didn't really have any reservations at all being in my sixties.
Things start getting a lot more dicey as you (we/I) get older. I used to drink and smoke and dance all night and sleep with people on third dates in the 1970s, too. Lucky I lived THIS long. I've used up my Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free cards.
Exactly this--a sign of getting old. I remember when seat belts were mandatory. It took a few years for the hub bub to die down and then it was a normal thing. Anybody remember when the speed limit on freeways was capped at 55 because of an oil shortage--55 alive? That was another to do which passed with time. Then there were fines for throwing garbage out your car window (yes, people used to just do this). Another protest. I've seen enough of this to know it'll pass. People get used to stuff and move on to the next outrage. It's human nature.5 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
One thing I've realized over the past few years is that one should never underestimate the number of Americans who have an instinctive, unthinking negative response to being told that a particular course of action demonstrates consideration to others or future generations.
Whether it's getting a vaccination, switching to a light bulb that uses less energy, or locking up dangerous tools, too many of us determine not to do something if there's a suggestion that others think it would demonstrate you care about what happens to others.
The whole mistake that was made with everything about Covid was that too much of it was presented as ways to demonstrating caring for vulnerable people and a big chunk of the American public doesn't see that as a priority or even sees it as a negative.
I'm feeling very pessimistic about this today, but there are lots of people who will never agree to get a vaccination because they think it's only something for the "opposite team" and getting it suggests weakness.
Exactly this. It's all about "winning".
There are people who truly do not understand the concept of doing something that benefits someone else. If nothing's in it for them, then why would they do it?
Maybe this was a coincidence, or maybe not....
Remember in the early days of mask-wearing, when we were told that the mask did not protect the wearer, but protected the people around the wearer? My mask protects you...your mask protects me.
After a while, the advice on this from the medical community changed...they said, no, actually, the mask DOES do a lot to protect the wearer as well.
Suddenly, it seemed more people started wearing masks. Maybe it was other factors, but I can't help but think that for some people, the thought that this will benefit ME made them more likely to comply.
It's sad to think that there are so many self-centered people in the world. Like you, I'm a bit pessimistic about it.6 -
sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.
The US regulators demanded their own trials of the Oxford-AZ vaccine rather than accept the trials done in the UK and Europe and this trial has just completed and your regulators will consider and decide whether to licence it or not to add to the selections of vaccines available for use.
I had my first shot of the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago and second one is booked for May. Unlike the EU which seems highly politicised the UK has generally been very keen to get vaccinated as soon as possible and the uptake has been very successful. Infection rates and hospitalisation has plummeted here.4 -
I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.10 -
I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.7 -
Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
Which is, by the way, another lie. You could totally eat it and it wouldn’t hurt you.janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
I can't believe the meme lied to me! 3 -
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck21
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cmriverside wrote: »sijomial, I don't think the AZ vaccine is being used in the U.S., but there have been 124 million doses given to people in the past three months of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines in this country. That's over 13% of the entire U.S. population. I think if there was going to be some smoking gun it would have become apparent by now.
When I was given my first Pfizer shot I was also given a CDC app code to report any and all vaccination side-effects and to be updated with any pertinent new observations. I chose not to get involved in it, but I think it's being as transparent as is possible. This country is so litigious that I'm sure the sharks are circling just waiting for a drop of blood in the water-type problem.
The US regulators demanded their own trials of the Oxford-AZ vaccine rather than accept the trials done in the UK and Europe and this trial has just completed and your regulators will consider and decide whether to licence it or not to add to the selections of vaccines available for use.
I had my first shot of the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago and second one is booked for May. Unlike the EU which seems highly politicised the UK has generally been very keen to get vaccinated as soon as possible and the uptake has been very successful. Infection rates and hospitalisation has plummeted here.
When you have socialized medicine, that would seem to push mandatory vaccines, plus only offering the one dose in the initial phases would help.
Just as an FYI, our new cases and hospitalizations have also plummeted in the last month but they're still happening. Death rates are nearly zero in my state right now (7 million population.) New hospitalizations are at about 20 per day, where they were at just over 100 per day six weeks ago.2 -
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"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The world is full of diseases. More are coming. I refuse to live in fear and I know we cannot control it.
Vaccines are literally a way of curbing the spread of infectious disease...like there are things we can actually do to stop spread and intervene and make things as preventative as possible.
This has nothing to do with fear...you antivaxxers are some piece of work...
It has everything to do with fear.
I still haven't seen him reply to the many questions asking him what he FEARS about this vaccine?
I wonder ...I mean some religions are strictly against medical treatment and this would fall into that, but he doesn't strike me as a religious abstainer since he has blurbs about cholesterol and doctors on his profile.
So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
For that particular poster, I don't get the sense that he's afraid of getting a shot, or afraid of side effects, or against medical treatments...
He is convinced that the whole pandemic is an over-reaction. That COVID-19 is no worse than the common cold. That this is a big, media-fueled conspiracy.
Getting the vaccine would be admitting that the pandemic is real, and therefore, he was mistaken, which will never be admitted.
I truly believe that this is overwhelmingly the reason some people are refusing to get the vaccine. The misinformation about the pandemic itself has made the idea of a vaccine a joke to them. "A vaccine for WHAT?? A big lie made up by the FAKE NEWS?" Seriously. This is the problem, and the reason that it's pointless to argue.
I also think there are a bunch of people who are telling pollsters they won't get vaxxed, but once lots of people are and nobody is getting wifi reception in their teeth or growing a tail, they will just quietly scoop up an appointment.
Some people I know have already been vaxxed, "just to get the government off our backs". Hopefully that twist on the big lie will minimize the percentage of people who won't get it enough that we can get out of this. Fingers crossed, at least.
One thing I've realized over the past few years is that one should never underestimate the number of Americans who have an instinctive, unthinking negative response to being told that a particular course of action demonstrates consideration to others or future generations.
Whether it's getting a vaccination, switching to a light bulb that uses less energy, or locking up dangerous tools, too many of us determine not to do something if there's a suggestion that others think it would demonstrate you care about what happens to others.
The whole mistake that was made with everything about Covid was that too much of it was presented as ways to demonstrating caring for vulnerable people and a big chunk of the American public doesn't see that as a priority or even sees it as a negative.
I'm feeling very pessimistic about this today, but there are lots of people who will never agree to get a vaccination because they think it's only something for the "opposite team" and getting it suggests weakness.
From a de la soul song:
I don't give money
I don't support the needy
Schooled in America
Taught to be greedy7 -
Apparently 2 people don't think those lyrics are from a de la song. 🤣11
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Got my second jab of Moderna. Now waiting for enough friends to catch up so we can have coffee closer9
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"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns."Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Hopefully the US still send us their stockpile! - they are supposed to be sending us 1.5 million doses of Astra Zeneca this month. They made it out to sound like they are doing us a huge favour- but actually they haven’t even approved it yet so can’t use them before they expire, so they are sending them to Canada and Mexico (and we have to send some back later). So who is helping who here? 😄3 -
cmriverside wrote: »
Well that graph flattens out at a depressing place, doesn't it. At least the projection does...0 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
Quoting myself to say I should've given the source (National Public Radio, in the US; All Things Considered program.) Also, if you care, here's the link to the audio (3 minutes):
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/22/980075508/preliminary-study-results-deem-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-safe-and-effecti0 -
this is both the first time and the last time i'm looking at the mfp forums8
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cmriverside wrote: »So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.8 -
cmriverside wrote: »So maybe he's afraid of needles.
Which...
I'm intensely needle-phobic, and it's getting worse with age, but I'll be getting the vaccine. Common sense prevails.
If it helps it’s a tiny needle, like a thread. I was staring right at it as it went in and I couldn’t feel the stick, just pressure. Like being bitten by a mosquito, you don’t feel a needle that small very much.5 -
Some doctors and nurses are better with needles than others. I've had a few that stung and some I didn't feel.1
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hobbitses333 wrote: »There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date.
There was a vaccine in the testing phase for SARS1 back in 2003. 🙂13 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »There is a reason there has been no corona vax to date.
Vaccine development requires funding. Previous coronaviruses that were serious enough to possibly warrant a vaccine had limited spread, and coronaviruses that spread widely weren't dangerous enough to warrant a vaccine. There has been research done, but in the competition for research money, a coronavirus has never been both dangerous enough and spread widely enough to win enough grant money to procede through development and trialing.7 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.9 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Global Frontline Nurses, look em up.
Except that the 99.98% survival rate was a lie. You moved the decimal point over twice. Don’t do that, please.19
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