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the necessity of working out and impacts of yoga

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  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    H4WKWIND wrote: »
    pattyjo89 wrote: »
    Any advice would be great!
    You have to workout and train like you really want it. You don't mention your exercise only eating and sitting.

    I guess I got a lot of disagreements on that comment. I like to workout, and at the gym I see the regular folk come in and casually do a few things with no effort and they wonder why they haven't lost any weight.

    I'm 68 5' 8" 148lbs on zero meds, daily I do my tai chi forms for 30 mins, go to 45 mins of hot yoga twice a week and the gym 45 mins 5 days a week, walk almost everyday at least 90 mins on nature trails.

    One thing I did once when doing kundalini yoga was a 5 day melon cleanse, starts with light vegan diet for 3 days then the melon diet and water, then light vegan for 3 days, I don't know what I was losing but weight lose was 2lbs a day 10lbs total.

    I'm retired but worked for a builder as general labourer and the last 6 months was vegan, I ate in the site trailer with my foreman and my diet got his interest, he was very much overweight. I prepped all my food the night before were as he always went out to fast food stuff and pop. We talked a lot about my fitness and diet. I visited the office probably a year later to say hi when my foreman walks in. He lost 100lbs he sez I inspired him so he got his diet together, went to the gym every morning before work and did intermittent fasting

    Years ago (1974) I was doing Sivananda yoga and a lady there told the teacher she had been going to weight watchers for 3 years with little success. Our teacher told her to everyday do the shoulderstand, plough and fish pose, hold each pose for 10 mins. She did and 6 weeks later had lost 60lbs. The 3 poses are ones that stimulate the thyroid and balance your weight.



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  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    The woman who lost the 60lbs freaked out and quit yoga thinking it was something like dealing with the devil.
    The cleanse I did was something I gave a try coz of doing the yoga group, not that I'd do that again or any other thing like that.

    Anyway thanks.
    edited April 5
  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    The term cleanse is used by that yoga group but to me I would think more of a fast. The 3 yoga poses stimulate the thyroid.

    I just started with My Fitness Pal logger just to see what my macros was at, my weight has been steady at 148lbs for decades no matter what, according to MFP I'll be 142lbs in 5 weeks, I don't know if that's true.

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  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    Would standing on my head help?

    Like this ?

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    Yes, I still can do this.

  • PAV8888PAV8888 Member Posts: 7,792 Member Member Posts: 7,792 Member
    If I could do that while I was obese.... then I probably would not have been obese! Mind you @AnnPT77 could PROBABLY do something similar in a row boat while she was obese!!!! :lol:

    The MFP database is crowd sourced and contains a lot of questionable entries. You have to be careful in selecting the entries and essentially double check them yourself. If you are primarily trying to figure out micro-nutrients you're intaking I would keep looking for a "cleaner" (albeit much more limited in scope and size) database. Out of the ones I've tried I am, to date, most impressed with cronometer--keeping in mind that it is a vastly less diverse database as compared to mfp.

    <full disclosure: I couldn't do that now that I am not obese either... and you've got a good baker's dozen years on me!>
    edited April 5
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Member, Premium Posts: 19,474 Member Member, Premium Posts: 19,474 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    If I could do that while I was obese.... then I probably would not have been obese! Mind you @AnnPT77 could PROBABLY do something similar in a row boat while she was obese!!!! :lol:

    The MFP database is crowd sourced and contains a lot of questionable entries. You have to be careful in selecting the entries and essentially double check them yourself. If you are primarily trying to figure out micro-nutrients you're intaking I would keep looking for a "cleaner" (albeit much more limited in scope and size) database. Out of the ones I've tried I am, to date, most impressed with cronometer--keeping in mind that it is a vastly less diverse database as compared to mfp.

    <full disclosure: I couldn't do that now that I am not obese either... and you've got a good baker's dozen years on me!>

    I wish. No. People do headstands in racing singles (12" wide at the waterline), viewable on YouTube, but I'm not one of them. Actually, at this point, I wouldn't attempt a headstand at all (combination of minor personal physical issues I have make it a bit more risky, if I haven't been doing it longer term, and I haven't). Yoga is quite wonderful. I've done it fat and thin. Tai Chi is also excellent, did a bunch of that for many years (late husband taught Tai Chi). Veganism is probably wonderful: I've never done it, but I've been vegetarian for 46+ years, thin to obese and back again.

    No exercise I've ever done has ever created weight loss irrespective of calorie intake. I do think that yoga (of some types) can increase one's body awareness, possibly in ways that lead to better appetite management and weight management for some people, but I don't believe there are magical poses that guarantee a healthy bodyweight while eating more food calories than one burns, or that cure diverse health conditions.

    No eating routine I've ever adopted has created weight loss irrespective of calorie intake, either. (FWIW, I doubt this is an example of "broken metabolism".)

    I think it's great when people find their individual helpful path for weight management and fitness, and it's useful when they share their experiences as such. I appreciate it when everyone/anyone (me included) recognizes that others' experiences and needs may differ from our own; and that there is some scientific basis that makes anything that works, work. It's very human to see causation, where there's no objective evidence that it goes beyond correlation.
  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    yirara wrote: »
    I'm not sure how yoga poses would stimulate a shot thyroid to produce hormones again to be honest.

    Who said shot thyroid, maybe lazy or over active.

    https://youtu.be/qX9FSZJu448
  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    Not doing yoga, doing the 3 mentioned poses, will normalize the thyroid. Read the original post, a woman who went to my yoga studio was told to do these 3 poses everyday. She is the only person I've ever known to do this. There's an old saying "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".
  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    Yes and "The truest SUCCESS is but the development of self ~ Charles Atlas".

  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    What beliefs ? a quote isn't a belief, completely off topic ? but OK I'm out of this post.
    edited April 6
  • penguinmama87penguinmama87 Member, Premium Posts: 256 Member Member, Premium Posts: 256 Member
    H4WKWIND wrote: »
    The woman who lost the 60lbs freaked out and quit yoga thinking it was something like dealing with the devil.

    For some folks the practice of yoga is incompatible with their faith tradition. People can do or not do whatever exercise they like, and there's no need to be condescending about it.

    I hope the OP doesn't get too discouraged! I started out focusing on food only because I couldn't even begin to think of how and when I would exercise. Once I lost a little weight my mindset started to improve and I felt a little better, and I started working it in in small ways, and then a positive feedback loop started where I eat well --> I feel better so I can exercise --> I feel better --> I can eat well --> I feel better --> I keep up exercise, etc. Also improvements for sleep and the need to do the daily tasks of my life. Those are all huge benefits that have something to do with weight loss, but they're also good in and of themselves. I'm not sure I have to start at the loop in any particular place...what's important is that I get on it, at some point.
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Member, Premium Posts: 25,223 Member Member, Premium Posts: 25,223 Member
    H4WKWIND wrote: »
    The woman who lost the 60lbs freaked out and quit yoga thinking it was something like dealing with the devil.

    For some folks the practice of yoga is incompatible with their faith tradition. People can do or not do whatever exercise they like, and there's no need to be condescending about it.

    I hope the OP doesn't get too discouraged! I started out focusing on food only because I couldn't even begin to think of how and when I would exercise. Once I lost a little weight my mindset started to improve and I felt a little better, and I started working it in in small ways, and then a positive feedback loop started where I eat well --> I feel better so I can exercise --> I feel better --> I can eat well --> I feel better --> I keep up exercise, etc. Also improvements for sleep and the need to do the daily tasks of my life. Those are all huge benefits that have something to do with weight loss, but they're also good in and of themselves. I'm not sure I have to start at the loop in any particular place...what's important is that I get on it, at some point.

    I mean, the truth is that some people do find yoga to be deeply spiritually meaningful so it only makes sense that some people would find that it doesn't sit well with another deeply held spiritual belief system (I'm not saying everyone finds this to be the case, just that it's possible). Insisting that yoga is a completely secular and non-spiritual practice that would never conflict with anything else is ignoring the real history and foundations of the practice.
  • H4WKWINDH4WKWIND Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    H4WKWIND wrote: »
    The woman who lost the 60lbs freaked out and quit yoga thinking it was something like dealing with the devil.

    there's no need to be condescending about it.

    I wasn't, they were her words to the teacher.

    Nowadays there is Christian Yoga such as were I live is Yoga Faith. Yoga nowadays (in my City) is mostly for fitness and is a mix of flow Yoga, Pilates and Barre.
    There's also Diamond Dallas Page Yoga https://youtu.be/qX9FSZJu448 which I've taken with a teacher.

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