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the necessity of working out and impacts of yoga
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Train like I want what?
Because what I want is a life I enjoy, in a body that facilitates that.
It isn't a 7 minute mile. It isn't being able to dead lift X amount of weight. It isn't a 6 pack or a 15% BMI.
It is a body that lets me have experiences I want to have and to do things I love - with people I love.
It's LIFE, not a competition. There is no finish line, except death. There is no medal for doing All The Right Things According To The Internet Expert.
There's just life and living and making the most you can from it.
If you LOVE fitness - yoga, weight lifting, training, whatever - then BY ALL MEANS GO FORTH. I compete in some sports and they're fun and added value in my life - because I *love* playing the game (and played them obese because again I love them for what they are and the experience of them). I have no problem understanding that other people would find that in body building competitions or marathons or yoga or anything else.
But for me? Weight loss and fitness facilitate the things I love in LIFE. And yeah, sometimes there's training for a competition but I am not going to take time out of living my life in order to train for... Life. That is passing while I 'train'. To live a life I like.
That'd be silly.3 -
Look, above post aside and at the end of the my personal attitude is this:
Weight-loss and lifestyle should be as easy as it can/could be. I'm not going to, and don't want to, go hard at it. I want something that can fade into the background of my life, being as effortless as possible. Which enables me not to focus on weight loss or fitness as a Thing I Am Doing that comes with a finish line or will fall apart when I can't focus on it.
And it's worked for me.
I have, interestingly, picked up a few hobbies along the way - running is fun, weights are fun - but I'm not training FOR a thing, and if I stopped both of those tomorrow I could mindlessly adjust my calories back down and move on. Life happens - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
And either way I can *without thought or working hard* take a couple of vitamins, and eat at about the calorie level I need to eat, to keep trucking along with the things that need to be done, and focus on things that matter most to me.
THAT to me is success and what I'm looking for.
"GO HARD" has no value to me.3 -
penguinmama87 wrote: »
I wasn't, they were her words to the teacher.
Nowadays there is Christian Yoga such as were I live is Yoga Faith. Yoga nowadays (in my City) is mostly for fitness and is a mix of flow Yoga, Pilates and Barre.
There's also Diamond Dallas Page Yoga https://youtu.be/qX9FSZJu448 which I've taken with a teacher.
Yoga comes from the faith traditions of Hinduism and Buddhism. Those are not my faith traditions, but I can imagine if they were it would be possible I'd feel some kinda way about "Christian yoga," with the apparent belief that the "good parts" can be plucked out, essentially baptized, and all the rest left behind.
I personally perceive a difference between people doing yoga as a fitness practice and people taking yoga and turning it into a whole different religious practice.5 -
I've taken yoga classes in many different states and countries. In general, if one is concerned about a possible conflict with one's religious beliefs, a class at a gym is likely to be completely devoid of spirituality, with a possible exception of an Om at the end.
I was raised Catholic, am now Unitarian Universalist, and find yoga studio yoga a great complement to my spiritual practice.
These descriptions of Christian Yoga actually sound more like what is available at a yoga retreat or yoga retreat center, albeit with different words for "Christ," etc.
https://christianyogaassociation.org/what-is-christian-yoga/
https://susanuneal.com/christian-yoga
Note: the "Should I fear secular yoga?" paragraph mischaracterizes "hatha yoga" and if anyone is interested I will take the time to explain what's wrong with it.2 -
Interesting thread.
I am 64, a registered certified yoga teacher; I've practiced for 40 years and studied with excellent teachers who were among the leaders of the practice in this country. Yoga itself has become a broad term for many variants- some rooted in spiritualism, pranayama, ayurvedics and study of the sutras; others focused on physical conditioning- and some with a smattering of each. It's no longer limited to ashrams- it inhabits gyms, and has cross-pollinated with fitness programs such as Pilates. For me, yoga has benefited my strength, flexibility, and mental well-being. Practice has not moved my organs nor changed my thyroid, but it has helped my blood pressure. Over-zealous practice in my 30s led to a hip replacement in my early 50s, and a recent CAT scan shows some (manageable) spinal deterioration, most likely the result of early incorrect inversions- or it could just be age. Yoga has been pivotal to my well-being in many ways, but it never stopped me from gaining weight. Putting too much of the wrong types of food in my mouth causes me to gain weight. Having the tools to combat those choices helps me lose the weight- and yoga is that, along with long fast walks, vigorous bike rides, some weight training, and- pivotal- healthy diet. I've also found over the years that zealots can make yoga feel unapproachable, and inexperienced teachers can make it dangerous. Yoga isn't for everyone, but it is useful for those who have anxiety, stress or an aversion to weight training and a desire to feel better.5 -
Wow--this thread is mind boggling. I started light yoga 6 yrs ago for my OA, and just love it. I do what I can, and am amazed at what I can. I integrated it into my main exercise program, and do most of my yoga at home with one weekly class. I have my own religion and I don't think yoga competes with it, but completes it. It is the only time I have to meditate a bit and with the breathing it just comes effortlessly. Christians meditate, as do other religions--no one can control your head. Why not take advantage of something that has so many health benefits? Religion also doesn't have to enter into exercise, and for me, yoga is foremost exercise and overall wellbeing.3
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The term cleanse is used by that yoga group but to me I would think more of a fast. The 3 yoga poses stimulate the thyroid.
I just started with My Fitness Pal logger just to see what my macros was at, my weight has been steady at 148lbs for decades no matter what, according to MFP I'll be 142lbs in 5 weeks, I don't know if that's true.
You should be very proud of yourself!!! I hope I get to be your age and I can say all of this! It's working for you and you are taking responsibility for your life! You are taking care of yourself! My dad is 69 and has never taken a medication in his life! My friend who is in his thirties and the size of a barn was telling me as he was shoveling piles of food into his mouth that his doctor needs to "fix" him, get him on some pills to help him lose weight. I just looked at him and laughed and said "Your doctor didn't make you get fat, you did that. You need to figure out how to fix yourself. Doctor's job is only to help you." I hope he had a wake up moment, but I doubt anything clicked. You would have thought that moment would have come when he started taking high blood pressure medication in his thirties. But I throw my hands up in disbelief. You are doing great! If it works for you, you're healthy and happy, then congratulations!!! Don't worry about disagrees from a bunch of random people off the internet who you've never met and probably never will meet or would never even want to meet in real life. You have a clear focus. Keep doing what works for you...5 -
Would standing on my head help?
Possibly; but I don't know if I would choose it as my primary exercise both because of inefficiency and because it reminds me a bit of a "silly" challenge I saw the other day that prescribes 5 minute ice cold showers or something.
Seems a bit like penance as opposed to a scientific experiment! 🤷🏻♂️
lmao I think you're talking about the Wim How method.
Wim Hof primarily teaches breathing methods which is one of the 8 limbs of yoga. Meaning, in the practice of yoga, making shapes with your body is great but there area also 7 there things you're supposed to be doing. One of them is practicing breathing techniques.
Yoga is meant to prepare you to sit in meditation.
Yoga, meditation, and Wim Hof are mostly going to do for you is bring your central nervous system into stasis. It's going to calm you down. Yoga is considered a form of moving mindfulness meditation.
What these things do for people that other types of exercises don't seem nearly as effective at doing is reducing your stress level.
The effects of stress on your immune system and overall health can not be overstated.
And, when I say stress, I don't just mean you've got a deadline coming up. I mean how you feel about your life. I mean how much small setbacks effect you. I mean the way you live minute by minute. These practices change that for the better.
I would not say they are great for weight loss, but that may just be my experience.3 -
Would standing on my head help?
Possibly; but I don't know if I would choose it as my primary exercise both because of inefficiency and because it reminds me a bit of a "silly" challenge I saw the other day that prescribes 5 minute ice cold showers or something.
Seems a bit like penance as opposed to a scientific experiment! 🤷🏻♂️
lmao I think you're talking about the Wim How method.
Wim Hof primarily teaches breathing methods which is one of the 8 limbs of yoga. Meaning, in the practice of yoga, making shapes with your body is great but there area also 7 there things you're supposed to be doing. One of them is practicing breathing techniques.
Yoga is meant to prepare you to sit in meditation.
Yoga, meditation, and Wim Hof are mostly going to do for you is bring your central nervous system into stasis. It's going to calm you down. Yoga is considered a form of moving mindfulness meditation.
What these things do for people that other types of exercises don't seem nearly as effective at doing is reducing your stress level.
The effects of stress on your immune system and overall health can not be overstated.
And, when I say stress, I don't just mean you've got a deadline coming up. I mean how you feel about your life. I mean how much small setbacks effect you. I mean the way you live minute by minute. These practices change that for the better.
I would not say they are great for weight loss, but that may just be my experience.
I agree with this. I find that it helps my arthritis pain, and surprisingly (for me) is very calming. I've been a singer since I was little (choirs) all through high school and then college and beyond. I had good breathing techniques and when I started swimming controlled breathing was very important. Breathing in yoga compliments all this. It's just a nice start to my day.2
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