Will you gain weight if you eat before sleeping?
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Yes, she does have that superior to the one tier phd, habilitation. You get it AFTER your phd and after completed years of independant research and publications, and doctoral dissertation. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habilitation_à_diriger_des_recherches
It's pretty confusing comparing educational levels of different countries.
Yeah, except an "habilitation" is not a degree. It is "just" an adminstrative title based on a review by a board of peers for becoming a thesis director in a country that already has most professors at tenured positions.
A physician does not need a PhD - one with an habilitation in France means that a) they teach b) have published work c) work in a teaching hospital and wish to have students. It is not a degree. I'll bet my DEA on it. And the mother of my children has an "habilitation" so I know a little about the process
And I taught.
It doesn't matter if a doctor has a post doc, is an MD/PhD or took classed under me - this is a "call to authority" - what matter is if the actual information and practices of the said doctor make sense.
There is no/little evidence that in a isocalorie diet weight gain will occur based on how you time your meals. If eating late makes you eat more then yes, logically avoid it. But eating a late meal isn't, in of itself, an issue.
And as to the degree system in the US - one can get multiple doctorate degrees. With or without a post-doc position.
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Ok, gotcha. We don't have habilitation over here. If you're good enough to supervise, you can supervise. And yes, you're absolutely right about the relevance of the doctor's credentials, but since they were mentioned to support the credibility of the doctor's claims, I was curious. (Also, I'm a nosey parker).
Edit: sorry, messed up quoting, won't even try and fix
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Yes most definitely. This is thee worst time you could eat if you are conscious about gaining weight. Your metabolism slows down while you are asleep.
Myth or Fact: Eating before bed can make you gain weight faster than if you eat the day.0 -
However, I do not recommend eating while sleeping as this could present a choking hazard and you may forget to log what you ate.
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Yes, she does have that superior to the one tier phd, habilitation. You get it AFTER your phd and after completed years of independant research and publications, and doctoral dissertation. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habilitation_à_diriger_des_recherches
It's pretty confusing comparing educational levels of different countries.
Yeah, except an "habilitation" is not a degree. It is "just" an adminstrative title based on a review by a board of peers for becoming a thesis director in a country that already has most professors at tenured positions.
A physician does not need a PhD - one with an habilitation in France means that a) they teach b) have published work c) work in a teaching hospital and wish to have students. It is not a degree. I'll bet my DEA on it. And the mother of my children has an "habilitation" so I know a little about the process And I taught.
It doesn't matter if a doctor has a post doc, is an MD/PhD or took classed under me - this is a "call to authority" - what matter is if the actual information and practices of the said doctor make sense.
There is no/little evidence that in a isocalorie diet weight gain will occur based on how you time your meals. If eating late makes you eat more then yes, logically avoid it. But eating a late meal isn't, in of itself, an issue.
And as to the degree system in the US - one can get multiple doctorate degrees. With or without a post-doc position.
Ok, gotcha. We don't have habilitation over here. If you're good enough to supervise, you can supervise. And yes, you're absolutely right about the relevance of the doctor's credentials, but since they were mentioned to support the credibility of the doctor's claims, I was curious. (Also, I'm a nosey parker).
Edit: sorry, messed up quoting, won't even try and fix
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You're right, I should've used the word "degree" when talking about the post doctoral level. I'm just not sure the correct English term for it.
I don't know why the question of my doctors credentials even was in the first place. Someone decided to make fun of it because they disagree with the diet prescribed by this doctor? So they started asking this silly questions and making remarks regarding her credentials. That's so childish, and really shows the low class of those people, so I didn't even pay attention to it.
So they decided to make fun of my grammar and of my doctors education. That's pretty childish too. Considering English is my 3rd language. I doubt those one who made those jokes speak any of the foreign languages.0 -
So last night, within an hour, I ate this and then went to bed within 30 minutes of finishing.
1/2 lb spinach, 1/2 lb mixed veggies, 3/4 lb white potato, 24 oz (cooked weight) chicken breast, 1/2 lb cornbread w/ butter, 3 cups of fiber one chocolate w/ 1/2 cup milk, 3 cups cinnamon toast crunch w/ 1/2 cup milk, & a pint of Dreyer's Rocky Road.
Guess I must be doing it wrong, even though my health markers are great and I am losing weight at a good pace with this cut.
What you're doing wrong is using only a half cup of milk for 3 cups of cereal.
You, sir, are a monster!
BLEH! I don't find the need to drink another 1/2 cup of milk after my cereal is gone... took me a long time to get the ratio down to where there's a tea spoon of milk left after the cereal. (Disclaimer: Different cereals may return different results, but this works for Fiber One Chocolate/Honey Squares, Cheerios, & Cinnamon Toast Crunch) Increase the ratio to 3/4 cup for 5 cups of cereal.
ETA: By long time I mean like 3-4 tries.
I'm the same. I hate having a bunch of leftover milk in the bowl after the cereal is gone. Although, I never thought of testing to find the perfect ratio of cereal to milk. I usually just keep pouring more cereal until the milk is gone. :laugh:
And here I thought I was the only one who did that. This is why I can't keep cereal in the house!0 -
I always have nightmares if I eat right before I sleep. But that's just me.0
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I don't know why the question of my doctors credentials even was in the first place. Someone decided to make fun of it because they disagree with the diet prescribed by this doctor? So they started asking this silly questions and making remarks regarding her credentials. That's so childish, and really shows the low class of those people, so I didn't even pay attention to it.
So they decided to make fun of my grammar and of my doctors education. That's pretty childish too. Considering English is my 3rd language. I doubt those one who made those jokes speak any of the foreign languages.
They want to know the credentials of your doctor because she is offering advice that is WAY out of date. I'd personally like to know who your doctor is, where she practices AND more importantly when she wrote her books. She may have been super whizzy and up to date when she first qualified but has she been keeping up to date with recent developments?
From my own experience, I can't sleep on an empty stomach. Plus I don't get home from work until 7pm so i'd be screwed! I don't fancy eating on the train home, it usually smells of wee...
Evening meal (usually save 800-1000 calories for) gets eaten at 7.30/8ish then bed time is 10/10.30ish (with maybe pudding in between). I'm doing alreete.0 -
I don't know why the question of my doctors credentials even was in the first place. Someone decided to make fun of it because they disagree with the diet prescribed by this doctor? So they started asking this silly questions and making remarks regarding her credentials. That's so childish, and really shows the low class of those people, so I didn't even pay attention to it.
So they decided to make fun of my grammar and of my doctors education. That's pretty childish too. Considering English is my 3rd language. I doubt those one who made those jokes speak any of the foreign languages.
They want to know the credentials of your doctor because she is offering advice that is WAY out of date. I'd personally like to know who your doctor is, where she practices AND more importantly when she wrote her books. She may have been super whizzy and up to date when she first qualified but has she been keeping up to date with recent developments?
From my own experience, I can't sleep on an empty stomach. Plus I don't get home from work until 7pm so i'd be screwed! I don't fancy eating on the train home, it usually smells of wee...
Evening meal (usually save 800-1000 calories for) gets eaten at 7.30/8ish then bed time is 10/10.30ish (with maybe pudding in between). I'm doing alreete.
Most doctors don't give the same advice to everyone. Any good doctor will advise a plan based for the individual. So, calling the plan a doctor made for someone a bad plan because it wouldn't fit your life is pretty silly.0 -
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If one is in calorie deficit, then it's a myth.Yes most definitely. This is thee worst time you could eat if you are conscious about gaining weight. Your metabolism slows down while you are asleep.
Myth or Fact: Eating before bed can make you gain weight faster than if you eat the day.
Let's say someone eats before bed, but is in calorie deficit consistently. They will lose weight. Law of thermodynamics.
Now let's say someone eats in calorie surplus in the day, but doesn't eat say 4 hours before bed.
Take those two situations and the statement above is false.
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If credentials matter (which is questionable to begin with as I've seen credentialed and "educated" people make claims that have been readily established as erroneous) -- here you have it from Alan Aragon (bachelors and masters degrees in Nutrition and a very long list of accolades).
Alan: Whether fat oxidation is greater during waking or sleeping hours doesn’t matter. What matters is 24-hour fat balance, which is fat synthesis minus fat oxidation. See, those are the 2 sides to the equation. If you eat less during the day & more at night, fat oxidation will occur at a greater rate during the day. If you do the opposite, fat oxidation will occur at a greater rate through the night – & you end up at the same spot. After 24 hours, the body doesn’t know nor care which half of the day contributed to either a net loss, gain, or maintenance of fat balance. Unless you have a specific need for increased energy intake (ie, prolonged competition in a particular sport ocurring in the earlier part of the day), there’s no reason to assume that eating more during the day & less in the evening is INHERENTLY beneficial for body composition goals.
http://fitnfly.com/learn-about-food/nutrition-facts#_
Ok, and my doctor has a different opinion, and she has a post doctorate degree. If its a competition who's got better education, she'll beat your Alan's butt.
Anyway, Alan is not the last testament in this matter, there are thousands of researches done. It's the matter of personal preference which doctor to trust.
Edited to add: I'm not sure if post doctorate degree exists in the USA. It's what you get after your PhD. I think it's mostly European and Asian.
Because doctors study heavily into nutrition right?
Alan interprets research which has been repeatedly proven and could be reproduced. Your reasoning means that your doctor will know more simply based on the fact she is a doctor.
BRB asking a doctor how to repair my vehicle0 -
Because doctors study heavily into nutrition right?
Alan interprets research which has been repeatedly proven and could be reproduced. Your reasoning means that your doctor will know more simply based on the fact she is a doctor.
BRB asking a doctor how to repair my vehicle
exactly this. People are scared to rely on their own critical thinking skills because "they're not an X, Y, Z" We're a society of highly specialized, highly educated experts who need to consult proctologists before we wipe our *kitten* after a ****.0 -
Yes, she does have that superior to the one tier phd, habilitation. You get it AFTER your phd and after completed years of independant research and publications, and doctoral dissertation. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habilitation_à_diriger_des_recherches
It's pretty confusing comparing educational levels of different countries.
Yeah, except an "habilitation" is not a degree. It is "just" an adminstrative title based on a review by a board of peers for becoming a thesis director in a country that already has most professors at tenured positions.
A physician does not need a PhD - one with an habilitation in France means that a) they teach b) have published work c) work in a teaching hospital and wish to have students. It is not a degree. I'll bet my DEA on it. And the mother of my children has an "habilitation" so I know a little about the process And I taught.
It doesn't matter if a doctor has a post doc, is an MD/PhD or took classed under me - this is a "call to authority" - what matter is if the actual information and practices of the said doctor make sense.
There is no/little evidence that in a isocalorie diet weight gain will occur based on how you time your meals. If eating late makes you eat more then yes, logically avoid it. But eating a late meal isn't, in of itself, an issue.
And as to the degree system in the US - one can get multiple doctorate degrees. With or without a post-doc position.
Ok, gotcha. We don't have habilitation over here. If you're good enough to supervise, you can supervise. And yes, you're absolutely right about the relevance of the doctor's credentials, but since they were mentioned to support the credibility of the doctor's claims, I was curious. (Also, I'm a nosey parker).
Edit: sorry, messed up quoting, won't even try and fix
You're right, I should've used the word "degree" when talking about the post doctoral level. I'm just not sure the correct English term for it.
I don't know why the question of my doctors credentials even was in the first place. Someone decided to make fun of it because they disagree with the diet prescribed by this doctor? So they started asking this silly questions and making remarks regarding her credentials. That's so childish, and really shows the low class of those people, so I didn't even pay attention to it.
So they decided to make fun of my grammar and of my doctors education. That's pretty childish too. Considering English is my 3rd language. I doubt those one who made those jokes speak any of the foreign languages.
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Well, I make language jokes all the time - the goldmember thing is funny (There is a movie by that title) - and I speak a few languages (English is my second, German my fourth and throw in a few others) but I wasn't making fun of YOU. Typos are funny.
I think you brought in your doc's education as "proof of truth". She's just a doc and doesn't have "la science infuse".0 -
Because doctors study heavily into nutrition right?
Alan interprets research which has been repeatedly proven and could be reproduced. Your reasoning means that your doctor will know more simply based on the fact she is a doctor.
BRB asking a doctor how to repair my vehicle
exactly this. People are scared to rely on their own critical thinking skills because "they're not an X, Y, Z" We're a society of highly specialized, highly educated experts who need to consult proctologists before we wipe our *kitten* after a ****.
I might accept your answer, only if you have a post-doctorate in Sociology, Philosophy, or possibly Psychology.
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Because doctors study heavily into nutrition right?
Alan interprets research which has been repeatedly proven and could be reproduced. Your reasoning means that your doctor will know more simply based on the fact she is a doctor.
BRB asking a doctor how to repair my vehicle
exactly this. People are scared to rely on their own critical thinking skills because "they're not an X, Y, Z" We're a society of highly specialized, highly educated experts who need to consult proctologists before we wipe our *kitten* after a ****.
I might accept your answer, only if you have a post-doctorate in Sociology, Philosophy, or possibly Psychology.
You dont have a degree in Journalism. All I see is garbage writing on my screen.0 -
Some of us, if we didn't eat after 6, would not get sufficient calories for the day. People work until 4 or 5 PM, that doesn't leave a lot of time for travel home and cooking, plus food inhalation; and if you add in taking kids to (insert activity here), or watching a game of (insert local mini league team here), taking yourself to the gym, doing homework or housework, then dinner at 7:30 or 8 is going to be a common thing. I do have snacks I eat at work, and generally get a decent lunch, but if I didn't eat my dinner I would lose out on 500-700 calories a day.
Also, have read in these forums many times that dinner at 9 PM is quite common in countries like Spain. I guess that 9 PM in Spain is like 3 PM in New York, USA though, so maybe that's why they get away with it.0 -
I ate a 12 oz ribeye steak last night at 8, and when I checked this morning I lost a couple of pounds. Of course I didn't really lose two pounds overnight (it's just one of those daily fluctuations), but eating before sleeping had not increased my weight. I added pounds only when I'm not being disciplined enough with my calorie counting. My diary is filled with "late evening" entries, and I managed to lose weight just the same.
For the longest time I was an owl, working at night and didn't eat until midnight because I didn't sleep until 4-5 in the morning. That was actually the years when I was really thin.
Sure your metabolism slows when you sleep, but this really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things when you eat a a deficit. The BMR is calculated per day, so it doesn't matter whether you burn the calories quickly or slowly, as long as your body burns more than it takes.0 -
This may have been said, but let me put it this way...
I AM A HYPOTHETICAL PERSON
I can eat 2000 calories each day to maintain my weight
I can eat like this:
Breakfast 400 calories
Lunch 500 calories
Dinner 700 calories
Dessert 400 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Breakfast 1000 calories
Lunch 1000 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Breakfast 50 calories
Snack 50 calories
Lunch 50 calories
Dinner 50 calories
Cheesecake 1800 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Dinner 2000 calories
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
For "losing weight" it doesn't matter when you eat. It is calorie in vs. calorie out. I eat my last thing at 9:15 pm (usually equating to around 900 calories) EVERY NIGHT and go to bed at 10:00 pm and I've lost nearly 60 pounds.
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QFTThis may have been said, but let me put it this way...
I AM A HYPOTHETICAL PERSON
I can eat 2000 calories each day to maintain my weight
I can eat like this:
Breakfast 400 calories
Lunch 500 calories
Dinner 700 calories
Dessert 400 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Breakfast 1000 calories
Lunch 1000 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Breakfast 50 calories
Snack 50 calories
Lunch 50 calories
Dinner 50 calories
Cheesecake 1800 calories
Or I can eat like this:
Dinner 2000 calories
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
For "losing weight" it doesn't matter when you eat. It is calorie in vs. calorie out. I eat my last thing at 9:15 pm (usually equating to around 900 calories) EVERY NIGHT and go to bed at 10:00 pm and I've lost nearly 60 pounds.
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I usually eat 300-500 calories right before bed.0
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Every single night since I started, I eat a Greek yogurt /in/ bed while reading. Sometimes, like last night, I'll even have a couple/few vanilla wafers or some such. Still losing weight. 0
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Well, I make language jokes all the time - the goldmember thing is funny (There is a movie by that title) - and I speak a few languages (English is my second, German my fourth and throw in a few others) but I wasn't making fun of YOU. Typos are funny.
I think you brought in your doc's education as "proof of truth". She's just a doc and doesn't have "la science infuse".
No, I brought up my doctors education because someone in this tread started making jokes about her credentials. And aaaaaall that is because my diet plan prescribed by this doctor conflicts with whatever they've read in this forum.
Yeah, she's just a doctor but she's specialized in weight loss and has been successfully working in the weightloss for decades. Therefore, I'm sorry but in my eyes she has more authority than someone online. If you don't mind, I'll keep following the diet she prescribed me. 0 -
But isnt is true because you're not burning anything or doing anything physical and the body stores the food as fat?
no...
and your body is still breathing, conducting organ function etc while you sleep and this takes energy, i.e. calories to do ...0 -
..if youre under your allotted calories for the day but eat, an apple for example, 1 hour before bed? Sometimes, work can be hectic and go on till 10-11pm. At this time, I get a tad bit hungry. So I was wondering if eating an apple or so (as long as Im under my calorie limit). But I read somewhere (cant confirm the authenticity) that if you eat before sleeping then it will be deposited as fat.
Is that trye at all? Or is that true for unhealthy junk food only?
I'm on a diet that doesn't allowed any food after 6 pm. My doctor is very strict about no food after 6, so it's not a myth.
But if I'm feeling really hungry, I can have a half glass of warm skim milk. It's allowed. It helps to calm the stomach.
My doctor recommends to have something to drink tat is easy to digest. This way my digestive system is also relaxing while I'm sleeping.
I would recommend a new doctor and diet plan...
I regularly eat after 6pm and have lost weight and maintain 13% body fat...0 -
How did I lose my weight by eating 50-75% of my daily calories (sometimes 90%) within 1-2 hours of going to sleep?
How do I maintain control over my weight goals (up and down) over the last 18 months by eating the same way?0 -
Well, I make language jokes all the time - the goldmember thing is funny (There is a movie by that title) - and I speak a few languages (English is my second, German my fourth and throw in a few others) but I wasn't making fun of YOU. Typos are funny.
I think you brought in your doc's education as "proof of truth". She's just a doc and doesn't have "la science infuse".
No, I brought up my doctors education because someone in this tread started making jokes about her credentials. And aaaaaall that is because my diet plan prescribed by this doctor conflicts with whatever they've read in this forum.
Yeah, she's just a doctor but she's specialized in weight loss and has been successfully working in the weightloss for decades. Therefore, I'm sorry but in my eyes she has more authority than someone online. If you don't mind, I'll keep following the diet she prescribed me.
A doctor specializes in weight loss? lolwut? There is not much to the laws of thermodynamics?0 -
..if youre under your allotted calories for the day but eat, an apple for example, 1 hour before bed? Sometimes, work can be hectic and go on till 10-11pm. At this time, I get a tad bit hungry. So I was wondering if eating an apple or so (as long as Im under my calorie limit). But I read somewhere (cant confirm the authenticity) that if you eat before sleeping then it will be deposited as fat.
Is that trye at all? Or is that true for unhealthy junk food only?
I'm on a diet that doesn't allowed any food after 6 pm. My doctor is very strict about no food after 6, so it's not a myth.
But if I'm feeling really hungry, I can have a half glass of warm skim milk. It's allowed. It helps to calm the stomach.
My doctor recommends to have something to drink tat is easy to digest. This way my digestive system is also relaxing while I'm sleeping.
I'm not sure of the doctors reasoning behind the not eating after 6pm thing however it's been proven a myth over and over again.. If you eat 1500 calories between 7am and 6pm or 1500 calories between 5pm and 12 pm you will lose the same amount of weight provided your activity is the same.
Well, it's a proven fact that this is the only way I can actually see significant difference in my weightloss process. You can tell me that it's a myth as many times as you want but I know what I see and experience - I do lse weight FASTER not eating after 6 pm, no bread, no sweets. I know my body and I know how it works.
Eating 1500 between 5 pm and 12 pm while living and working normal hours not only would cause me to gain weight but also causes stomach pain and gold bladder problems. I've tried,thank you, and it wasn't good.
I think people should stop preaching whatever they've read online because nt everything you read on forums is legit. Instead people should listen to the medical professionals.
if you dont mind I'd trust professionals with medical education and decades of experience in weightloss, not some people with obvious no medical education who's jst read some topics online and decided they're the masterminds of weightloss.
calorie intake causes you to lose or gain weight, not when you eat..
by your logic, I would eat 1000 calories over maintenance between 8am and 6pm and still lose weight...0 -
Well, I make language jokes all the time - the goldmember thing is funny (There is a movie by that title) - and I speak a few languages (English is my second, German my fourth and throw in a few others) but I wasn't making fun of YOU. Typos are funny.
I think you brought in your doc's education as "proof of truth". She's just a doc and doesn't have "la science infuse".
No, I brought up my doctors education because someone in this tread started making jokes about her credentials. And aaaaaall that is because my diet plan prescribed by this doctor conflicts with whatever they've read in this forum.
Yeah, she's just a doctor but she's specialized in weight loss and has been successfully working in the weightloss for decades. Therefore, I'm sorry but in my eyes she has more authority than someone online. If you don't mind, I'll keep following the diet she prescribed me.
A doctor specializes in weight loss? lolwut? There is not much to the laws of thermodynamics?
You have been commenting on my posts for a while, young man. I've noticed you, don't worry. No need to try too hard 0 -
Well, I make language jokes all the time - the goldmember thing is funny (There is a movie by that title) - and I speak a few languages (English is my second, German my fourth and throw in a few others) but I wasn't making fun of YOU. Typos are funny.
I think you brought in your doc's education as "proof of truth". She's just a doc and doesn't have "la science infuse".
No, I brought up my doctors education because someone in this tread started making jokes about her credentials. And aaaaaall that is because my diet plan prescribed by this doctor conflicts with whatever they've read in this forum.
Yeah, she's just a doctor but she's specialized in weight loss and has been successfully working in the weightloss for decades. Therefore, I'm sorry but in my eyes she has more authority than someone online. If you don't mind, I'll keep following the diet she prescribed me.
A doctor specializes in weight loss? lolwut? There is not much to the laws of thermodynamics?
You have been commenting on my posts for a while, young man. I've noticed you, don't worry. No need to try too hard
Why would I try hard on someone who really has no idea of the laws of energy?0 -
If credentials matter (which is questionable to begin with as I've seen credentialed and "educated" people make claims that have been readily established as erroneous) -- here you have it from Alan Aragon (bachelors and masters degrees in Nutrition and a very long list of accolades).
Alan: Whether fat oxidation is greater during waking or sleeping hours doesn’t matter. What matters is 24-hour fat balance, which is fat synthesis minus fat oxidation. See, those are the 2 sides to the equation. If you eat less during the day & more at night, fat oxidation will occur at a greater rate during the day. If you do the opposite, fat oxidation will occur at a greater rate through the night – & you end up at the same spot. After 24 hours, the body doesn’t know nor care which half of the day contributed to either a net loss, gain, or maintenance of fat balance. Unless you have a specific need for increased energy intake (ie, prolonged competition in a particular sport ocurring in the earlier part of the day), there’s no reason to assume that eating more during the day & less in the evening is INHERENTLY beneficial for body composition goals.
http://fitnfly.com/learn-about-food/nutrition-facts#_
Ok, and my doctor has a different opinion, and she has a post doctorate degree. If its a competition who's got better education, she'll beat your Alan's butt.
Anyway, Alan is not the last testament in this matter, there are thousands of researches done. It's the matter of personal preference which doctor to trust.
Edited to add: I'm not sure if post doctorate degree exists in the USA. It's what you get after your PhD. I think it's mostly European and Asian.
You know, it's funny when you look at your diary none of your days have a consistent caloric intake. Yet, you're convinced the only way for you to lose weight is to get medical advice from a doctor.
Maybe you should try consistency first.0
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