Diet drinks lead to obesity

neanderthin

They do cause cancer. I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague!!

CoderGal

They do cause cancer. I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague!!

What DOESN'T cause cancer?

Please make a thread on this and link it here so I can find it...I would like to see these people try to answer this

snazzyjazzy21

They do cause cancer. I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague!!

What DOESN'T cause cancer?

Please make a thread on this and link it here so I can find it...I would like to see these people try to answer this

100% of people who get cancer drink water. EVERYONE, WATER CAUSES CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!

mmipanda

drink all the fizzy sweet artificial *kitten* you guys want to. I'm happy without it.

stealthq

Come back and testify to that lifestyle in 15 or 20 years. I would love to hear all about it.

This 'argument' is such a silly cop out, it ends any semblance of logical debate or exchange of information. There is literally no rebuttal because herpderp, none of us are magical wizards who can see into the future.

Except of course you. What's that like, btw?

His point stands. Each of us makes decisions we believe in. And time will tell if we're right.

We're sure we are, but time will tell.

I'm healthy now. Mr doctor confirms this, blood tests confirm this, my increase in strength and endurance confirms this but yet somehow in someway I may be unhealthy 20 years from now (In spite of all the research that points to their being no ill effect to diet drinks unless one is drinking what equates to 3 24 packs or something equally as insane a day, and even then that's only in rats and hey, I'm not a rat), and that constitutes a good point? Or is it just the pitiful grasping of someone with nothing else to say?

Unless of course his point is "Hey I don't have anything of actual value to say so I'm just gonna shut down conversation by saying that you might somehow end up unhealthy 20 years down the line!" . In which case yeah, his point stands.

Does it? I've been consuming various artificial sweeteners for 20 yrs and and am healthy to the best of my knowledge. The worst health issue I have ever had is a fractured finger. Do I need to consume them for an additional 20 to be considered valid? Why? Because if we wait long enough, just about all of us will have some kind of health issue.

rainbowbow

Correlation does not imply causation.

watfordjc

Obese people who are gaining weight consume more calories.

Any study (or analysis of studies) that concludes obese people are obese because they consume more of X (or less of Y) sounds obvious.

Some obese people have less energy. Having less energy may mean less cooking. Relying on prepared foods may mean eating less vegetables. Conclusion: eating less vegetables will make you obese.

There is a correlation with chocolate consumption and weight? Could that be because the more you weigh the more calories you can eat?

Did any of those diet soda studies measure consumption in litres per kilogram of body weight? Just wondering.

__Di__

These studies talk as though the body has a mind of its own.

Confuses the gut?? lol

All I know is this, I like my vodka and diet coke when I go to the pub at the weekend, I consume several in a session, if I do not drink diet coke, then it will be normal coke and believe me, it will be the calories in those normal cokes that will aid me in getting overweight, not the diet stuff.

Going to continue drinking diet coke.

oh and I am going to continue taking sweeteners in my tea and coffee too, just for good measure :drinker:

geebusuk

Energy crises solved right there - never mind oil, gas, nuclear - we can get energy from something that has none! (or very little.)

drink all the fizzy sweet artificial *kitten* you guys want to. I'm happy without it.

Hope you don't drink tap water, nor bottled water - both processed, so 'artificial' .

scottaworley

Glad to know 0 calorie beverages pack on the pounds. Gotta exchange my coke zero for cream soda.

scottaworley

They do cause cancer. I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague!!

What DOESN'T cause cancer?

Please make a thread on this and link it here so I can find it...I would like to see these people try to answer this

100% of people who get cancer drink water. EVERYONE, WATER CAUSES CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!

I have cancer and I've never had water.

Snow3y

Damn... I knew I was gaining 150kg drinking those coke zeros... best stop

_SABOTEUR_

Maybe psychologists should stick to psychology.

Cranquistador

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Looked at the actual paper, have a couple of comments:

First in the introduction it states that it is an opinion paper. That's important. Also the paper does NOT claim that artificial sweeteners are the cause of obesity.

Secondly:

In the first, de Ruyter et al. [31] reported that primarily normal weight children (ages 4 to 11 years) assigned to consume a single ASB daily for 18 months gained less weight, and had smaller increases in skinfold thickness, waist-to-height ratios, and fat mass compared with children assigned to consume one SSB daily.

ASB = artificially sweetened beverage, SSB = sugar sweetened beverage

So while epidemiological studies do find correlation between diet soda and weight gain, interventional studies do not.

Also, the paper makes the point that artificial sweeteners may result in cravings for more sweets. If that's you, then by all means don't drink them. I find the opposite to be true for myself. If I'm craving something sweet a diet soda will satisfy that craving.

Finally:

In addition, some of the effects of consuming ASB on these negative health out- comes could reflect a type of cognitive process in which knowledge that an ASB that is perceived to be ‘healthy’ grants permission to over consume other ‘non-healthy’ foods [32]

Calorie tracking should negate that effect, since you can see exactly how many calories you are consuming.

jayrudq

Come back and testify to that lifestyle in 15 or 20 years. I would love to hear all about it.

This 'argument' is such a silly cop out, it ends any semblance of logical debate or exchange of information. There is literally no rebuttal because herpderp, none of us are magical wizards who can see into the future.

Except of course you. What's that like, btw?

Rude much? It wasn't an "argument" it was a statement herpderp. My point is simple: as someone who has been on this earth a little bit longer than others, all the things you think you know to be true (and on this forum ABSOLUTE), aren't always constant. Your body changes over time. Ask your Mom or Dad, or your Grandparents. And what works for you - including drinking diet soda and eating ice cream everyday, may not always. And for those of you, who have aged perfectly, please spare me (or drank a twelve of diet everyday and are perfectly healthy).

My comment obviously didn't end any semblence of logical debate or exchange of information because this the MFP! Hardly a debate society - which you obviously want to join.

Knowing this, btw, is great. It makes me a better, more understanding, and nicer person. You might want to try that sometime.

Chadomaniac

BRB going to go gain 100pounds on zero calorie diet coke .

jonnythan

Come back and testify to that lifestyle in 15 or 20 years. I would love to hear all about it.

This 'argument' is such a silly cop out, it ends any semblance of logical debate or exchange of information. There is literally no rebuttal because herpderp, none of us are magical wizards who can see into the future.

Except of course you. What's that like, btw?

Rude much? It wasn't an "argument" it was a statement herpderp. My point is, as someone who has been on this earth a little bit longer than others, all the things you think you know to be true (and on this forum ABSOLUTE), aren't always constant. Your body changes over time. Ask your Mom or Dad, or your Grandparents. And for those of you, who have aged perfectly, please spare me.


Knowing this, btw, is great. It makes me a better, more understanding, and nicer person. You might want to try that sometime.

The "statement" was an implication that the "lifestyle" (whatever that means; you didn't mention what "lifestyle" you were talking about) will lead to long-term health effects.

If you think that's true, prove it.

Sabine_Stroehm

Come back and testify to that lifestyle in 15 or 20 years. I would love to hear all about it.

This 'argument' is such a silly cop out, it ends any semblance of logical debate or exchange of information. There is literally no rebuttal because herpderp, none of us are magical wizards who can see into the future.

Except of course you. What's that like, btw?

His point stands. Each of us makes decisions we believe in. And time will tell if we're right.

We're sure we are, but time will tell.

I'm healthy now. Mr doctor confirms this, blood tests confirm this, my increase in strength and endurance confirms this but yet somehow in someway I may be unhealthy 20 years from now (In spite of all the research that points to their being no ill effect to diet drinks unless one is drinking what equates to 3 24 packs or something equally as insane a day, and even then that's only in rats and hey, I'm not a rat), and that constitutes a good point? Or is it just the pitiful grasping of someone with nothing else to say?

Unless of course his point is "Hey I don't have anything of actual value to say so I'm just gonna shut down conversation by saying that you might somehow end up unhealthy 20 years down the line!" . In which case yeah, his point stands.

We thought margarine and transfats were fine too.
Shut er down.

cheers.

And then we did studies to prove differently.

Just like we study diet sodas and the things in them. Nothing is more studied than aspartame, as far as substances consumed by humans go (Not hyperbole) and nothing has shown any issues. So what are those thousands of studies missing that's gonna show up later? At what point are all those studies enough to trust that something isn't harmful? A thousand more? Ten thousand? A million? At what stage do we go 'Yeah, All of those piles of research may have a point.'?

Worst. Shutdown. Ever.

wasn't my shutdown. YOU wanted to. I said go for it.
Who sponsored those studies?
I'm NOT saying it causes obesity!!!!!
I am asking if we know enough.
Id bet not.

Good night.

Is it time for

They do cause cancer

:explode:

Are you this rude and immature in "real life"?
Enjoy your soda and all the other things you're sure of. cheers

jonnythan

Come back and testify to that lifestyle in 15 or 20 years. I would love to hear all about it.

This 'argument' is such a silly cop out, it ends any semblance of logical debate or exchange of information. There is literally no rebuttal because herpderp, none of us are magical wizards who can see into the future.

Except of course you. What's that like, btw?

His point stands. Each of us makes decisions we believe in. And time will tell if we're right.

We're sure we are, but time will tell.

I'm healthy now. Mr doctor confirms this, blood tests confirm this, my increase in strength and endurance confirms this but yet somehow in someway I may be unhealthy 20 years from now (In spite of all the research that points to their being no ill effect to diet drinks unless one is drinking what equates to 3 24 packs or something equally as insane a day, and even then that's only in rats and hey, I'm not a rat), and that constitutes a good point? Or is it just the pitiful grasping of someone with nothing else to say?

Unless of course his point is "Hey I don't have anything of actual value to say so I'm just gonna shut down conversation by saying that you might somehow end up unhealthy 20 years down the line!" . In which case yeah, his point stands.

We thought margarine and transfats were fine too.
Shut er down.

cheers.

And then we did studies to prove differently.

Just like we study diet sodas and the things in them. Nothing is more studied than aspartame, as far as substances consumed by humans go (Not hyperbole) and nothing has shown any issues. So what are those thousands of studies missing that's gonna show up later? At what point are all those studies enough to trust that something isn't harmful? A thousand more? Ten thousand? A million? At what stage do we go 'Yeah, All of those piles of research may have a point.'?

Worst. Shutdown. Ever.

wasn't my shutdown. YOU wanted to. I said go for it.
Who sponsored those studies?
I'm NOT saying it causes obesity!!!!!
I am asking if we know enough.
Id bet not.

Good night.

Is it time for

They do cause cancer

:explode:

Are you this rude and immature in "real life"?
Enjoy your soda and all the other things you're sure of. cheers

One more person to add to the list of those with hidden progress and hidden diaries decrying the horrors of chemicals.

LJSmith1989

My friend drinks normal soda and is close to obese. I drink diet and I'm not. We both punched science in the face.

Haha

crazylilrae

I surmise that a lot of the problem with diet sodas leading to obesity is that people think because they're drinking diet, they can eat ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING their little hearts desire [i.e: Supersize Big Mac Meal... and a diet coke.] I even have people tell me ALL THE TIME that diet coke really does have sugars and stuff in it, even though the nutrition label says nothing. I don't believe for a second that drinking diet coke made me obese. I believe it was all the take out, second and third helpings, and constant snacking on crap food that did it. My mother, and myself have both lost weight while STILL drinking diet coke, and quite frankly, while I have cut back on how much I drink of it, I don't think I could stop drinking it all together.

jayrudq

"The "statement" was an implication that the "lifestyle" (whatever that means; you didn't mention what "lifestyle" you were talking about) will lead to long-term health effects.

If you think that's true, prove it."


I have nothing to prove. Nor do I feel compelled to "prove" anything. Nor am I interested in debating absolutists. What I obviously only implied, but was not crystal clear about, is your body changes over time. What you know to be true today about yourself or your lifestyle, may not be true tomorrow or years later. It is in response all the testimony on this thread that diet soda never caused weight gain (which is prima facie evidence that it can't. A species argument).
I also believe that there is so much we DON'T know. And just because something has not been "proven" does not mean it isn't true or will not be discovered. Carl Sagen fan. No apologies.

ryry_

I doubt the soda companies care. They have full confidence that if you quit diet you'll return to the regular stuff in no time.

scottaworley

I doubt the soda companies care. They have full confidence that if you quit diet you'll return to the regular stuff in no time.

If not, they'll just sell you bottled water.

ETA: Drink at least 8 bottles of water per day!

WendyTerry420

What a load of BS. I drank no diet drinks before losing weight. I was fat. Now I'm not & drink them..... guess that proved that wrong.

Yeah, for me, drinking 4-5 Cokes a day was a contributing factor. Now I am losing while drinking less than 5 Coke Zero drinks a week. Sorry, but I think it's 700-900 extra calories I was drinking that contributed to my weight gain, since I never drank any "diet drink" before I started my food diary.

jayebennett

I LOVE the pics and videos!

totem12

'Diet drinks lead to obesity'

If there is in fact a genuine link between diet drinks and obesity, it can only exist because either people who drink diet drinks tend to take in higher amounts of calories anyway, or somehow, drinking diet drinks leads to increased consumption of calorific foods, making you overeat.

If you count calories and don't overeat, you can't gain weight no matter how many diet drinks you have. Calories lead to obesity.

Goal175lbs

Sorry, load of crap. I drink plenty of diet drinks and add equal to my coffee and oatmeal everyday. I've lost 26 pounds in 8 weeks. Stop with the broscience. Diet drinks have no calories and will not, in and of themselves, slow or stop weight loss. It's simply not true.

ryry_

I doubt the soda companies care. They have full confidence that if you quit diet you'll return to the regular stuff in no time.

If not, they'll just sell you bottled water.

ETA: Drink at least 8 bottles of water per day!

That's awesome and the ultimate irony.