Skipping Meal after 4 pm
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Hi,
I have been observing since 3 months that skipping meal after 4 pm is helping me to lose 200 gm per day approximately, resulting to lose 1 kg in a week without any workout, however remaining meals must also be in control.
I have been trying to lose my weight
currently at 77 kg, target at 73 kg
any better idea?
I have been observing since 3 months that skipping meal after 4 pm is helping me to lose 200 gm per day approximately, resulting to lose 1 kg in a week without any workout, however remaining meals must also be in control.
I have been trying to lose my weight
currently at 77 kg, target at 73 kg
any better idea?
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You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.6 -
What you're doing is called intermittent fasting. If it helps you to stay within your calorie goal, good for you.
However, losing 200gr a day would be 1.4kg per week. Even the 1kg per week you mentioned seems too much to me to be healthy: it's way beyond the 0.5-1% of bodyweight per week that is generally recommended as a weight loss rate. Faster is not necessarily better 😉 but if it's only for a few weeks (not much weight to lose), it might be less bad.
My concern would be: what happens when you reach your goal? If you go back to eating after 4pm, you'll likely gain the weight back unless you have a plan.5 -
Why are you trying to lose weight so fast?
Seems a very poor idea to lose weight rapdily while not working out. Don't you want to lose fat rather than muscle?6 -
What you're doing is called intermittent fasting. If it helps you to stay within your calorie goal, good for you.
However, losing 200gr a day would be 1.4kg per week. Even the 1kg per week you mentioned seems too much to me to be healthy: it's way beyond the 0.5-1% of bodyweight per week that is generally recommended as a weight loss rate. Faster is not necessarily better 😉 but if it's only for a few weeks (not much weight to lose), it might be less bad.
My concern would be: what happens when you reach your goal? If you go back to eating after 4pm, you'll likely gain the weight back unless you have a plan.
When I will reach my goal, I might start eating on alternate days or something like that0 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence0 -
Yes it is when you are so close to goal weight.
And it's more of a problem when you aren't training to preserve your muscle in the face of that deficit.
Two bad ideas.3 -
Yes it is. Don't believe every dumb tabloid headline in the grocery store line, reality TV show, or sketchy web site/influencer that wants to sell you something.
1 kg per week is fast. It's absurdly fast for anyone under around 100kg, increases health risks, risks of muscle loss, risk of appetite snap-back, risk of failure . . . among other things.
You asked:(snip)
I have been trying to lose my weight
currently at 77 kg, target at 73 kg
any better idea?
At 77kg with 4kg to lose, 0.25-0.5kg per week would be a better idea. Learning sustainable habits, so you can keep the weight off long term easily, would be a better idea. Getting some exercise - any exercise, really, but strength exercise particularly - and fueling the exercise rather than using it to speed weight loss . . . that would be a better idea.
You're getting advice here from people who've lost a good bit of weight, and kept it off long term. They might just know something.6 -
Why are you trying to lose weight so fast?
Seems a very poor idea to lose weight rapdily while not working out. Don't you want to lose fat rather than muscle?
?? Where are you getting that 2.2lb weight loss per week is “SO FAST?” back up your statements instead of fear mongering.
GENERALLY SPEAKING 1% of total body weight per week (more or less depending on your current body fat %) can be done without adverse effects. Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%.0 -
Why are you trying to lose weight so fast?
Seems a very poor idea to lose weight rapdily while not working out. Don't you want to lose fat rather than muscle?
?? Where are you getting that 2.2lb weight loss per week is “SO FAST?” back up your statements instead of fear mongering.
GENERALLY SPEAKING 1% of total body weight per week (more or less depending on your current body fat %) can be done without adverse effects. Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%.
OP says CW 77kg, goal 73kg. 1kg is > 1% CW (it's about 1.3%). If 73kg is a reasonable goal weight, OP doesn't have much weight to lose, though we don't know what that means in terms of BF%, of course.2 -
OP's starting weight is/was 170lbs, he was losing 2.2 lbs a week, that's 1.3%.3
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Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?2 -
Why are you trying to lose weight so fast?
Seems a very poor idea to lose weight rapdily while not working out. Don't you want to lose fat rather than muscle?
?? Where are you getting that 2.2lb weight loss per week is “SO FAST?” back up your statements instead of fear mongering.
GENERALLY SPEAKING 1% of total body weight per week (more or less depending on your current body fat %) can be done without adverse effects. Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%.
@azuki84
Your maths has let you down!
1% of 77kg is 0.77kg and OP is trying to lose faster at 1kg.
GENERALLY SPEAKING (why capital letters?) 1% would be a reasonable upper limit unless someone is very high BF% - which OP isn't, he is near the end of his weight loss.
Yes people can cut faster and harder for short periods. But he has been at it for three months not a short period.
And those doing a short and fast cut would be well advised to train properly while losing quickly and pay good attention to their protein intake - which the OP isn't.
Not fear mongering - just trying to advise OP to lose those last few kg sensibly and in line with his request for "better ideas" rather than what he is doing now.4 -
Why are you trying to lose weight so fast?
Seems a very poor idea to lose weight rapdily while not working out. Don't you want to lose fat rather than muscle?
?? Where are you getting that 2.2lb weight loss per week is “SO FAST?” back up your statements instead of fear mongering.
GENERALLY SPEAKING 1% of total body weight per week (more or less depending on your current body fat %) can be done without adverse effects. Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%.
OP--listen to people that know something. This is bad advice and yes, you are losing muscle. Slow down, be patient, and try to do some weight training. You'll be glad you did.
PS: I saw your profile which says you've lost 10 kg in the past. Ever wonder why you need to lose them again? Form better habits and learn to maintain this time, or you risk starting over in the future.5 -
@azuki84
Your maths has let you down!
1% of 77kg is 0.77kg and OP is trying to lose faster at 1kg.
GENERALLY SPEAKING (why capital letters?) 1% would be a reasonable upper limit unless someone is very high BF% - which OP isn't, he is near the end of his weight loss.
Yes people can cut faster and harder for short periods. But he has been at it for three months not a short period.
And those doing a short and fast cut would be well advised to train properly while losing quickly and pay good attention to their protein intake - which the OP isn't.
Not fear mongering - just trying to advise OP to lose those last few kg sensibly and in line with his request for "better ideas" rather than what he is doing now.
Your readings has let you down!
I capitalized GENERALLY SPEAKING so people like you can understand what I mean. Note I typed "Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%."0 -
@azuki84
Your maths has let you down!
1% of 77kg is 0.77kg and OP is trying to lose faster at 1kg.
GENERALLY SPEAKING (why capital letters?) 1% would be a reasonable upper limit unless someone is very high BF% - which OP isn't, he is near the end of his weight loss.
Yes people can cut faster and harder for short periods. But he has been at it for three months not a short period.
And those doing a short and fast cut would be well advised to train properly while losing quickly and pay good attention to their protein intake - which the OP isn't.
Not fear mongering - just trying to advise OP to lose those last few kg sensibly and in line with his request for "better ideas" rather than what he is doing now.
Your readings has let you down!
I capitalized generally speaking so people like you can understand what I mean. Note I typed "Higher body fat % may look at 1.5%."
Nothing wrong with my reading.
A lot wrong with your context in a thread where the OP is asking how to lose the last few kilos better.
If you want to argue that faster weight loss is better for some (just some) fatter people I wouldn't disagree - but I totally disagree that faster than 1% is better for the OP.4 -
Nothing wrong with my reading.
A lot wrong with your context in a thread where the OP is asking how to lose the last few kilos better.
If you want to argue that faster weight loss is better for some (just some) fatter people I wouldn't disagree - but I totally disagree that faster than 1% is better for the OP.
Plenty wrong with your reading. You didn't read what I typed. But I'm not going to argue with people who spend their entire lives 24/7 on myfitnesspal forums.0 -
Nothing wrong with my reading.
A lot wrong with your context in a thread where the OP is asking how to lose the last few kilos better.
If you want to argue that faster weight loss is better for some (just some) fatter people I wouldn't disagree - but I totally disagree that faster than 1% is better for the OP.
Plenty wrong with your reading. You didn't read what I typed. But I'm not going to argue with people who spend their entire lives 24/7 on myfitnesspal forums.
You seem to struggle with the concept of disagreement.
Yes I did read your posts, they are just plain bad advice for the OP.
Your silly little insults do you no credit at all.
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Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
1 kg per week means around 3 to 4 kg in a month. i.e. 10 to 12 kg in 3 months
this speed is not much
however this is not possible while we have just started losing weight
weight loss has a graph
in first 2 month iwe will not lose weight at fast rate, after 2 month weight loss is at relatively higher
so after 2 month weight loss 10 to 12 kg in 3 months is significant
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Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
1 kg per week means around 3 to 4 kg in a month. i.e. 10 to 12 kg in 3 months
this speed is not much
however this is not possible while we have just started losing weight
weight loss has a graph
in first 2 month iwe will not lose weight at fast rate, after 2 month weight loss is at relatively higher
so after 2 month weight loss 10 to 12 kg in 3 months is significant
You are not addressing your muscle loss. Even if you don't care--this, for the lurkers: muscle is hard to regain once lost. To preserve muscle mass while losing weight, go slower with your weight loss and exercise, especially weight training.
So many people want to lose weight fast. Guess what? They regain it just as fast and add more. Learn to maintain.7 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
1 kg per week means around 3 to 4 kg in a month. i.e. 10 to 12 kg in 3 months
this speed is not much
however this is not possible while we have just started losing weight
weight loss has a graph
in first 2 month iwe will not lose weight at fast rate, after 2 month weight loss is at relatively higher
so after 2 month weight loss 10 to 12 kg in 3 months is significant
Your body, and mine, are always in a balancing act of storing energy and accessing stored energy. Are you suggesting that if I fast from the time I go to bed until an hour before I go to bet the next day, and if I eat fewer calories than my body has used in those 23 hours, I would gain weight because my meal was right before bed?
I would disagree with that completely.
There's an amount of energy my body uses in a day (or week). Your body does the same thing. There's an amount of energy I put into my body in a day (or week). You also put energy in your body. Here's the thing; if I put less energy into my body than I ask it to expend, my mass will decrease. Even if I only get up in the middle of the night and eat all my food between midnight and 02:00. I might not get good sleep, but that's another thing.4 -
Factually inaccurate.Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
If we eat a big meal late at night, our scale weight might be higher next morning than if we'd cut off eating earlier in the day. That has nothing to do with bodyfat. It has to do with how digesting/metabolizing food works. Eating late means there's more waste/water in a person's system from the person's meal than if the last meal had been earlier, that's all. Waste is not just what ends up in the toilet, either: We sweat, exhale, etc. (When we lose bodyfat, around 80% of it leaves as exhaled gases. The rest is mostly water, either urinated out, sweated out, or part of the humidity in what we exhale.)
We're burning calories 24/7 just being alive. Of the calories we burn during sleep, the highest percentage come from body fat. That's the extreme of a general truth: Lower intensity activities are fueled relatively more from fat (as a percentage of their calorie burn); higher intensity activities are fueled relatively more from carbohydrates in various forms. It's not an on/off switch: With increasing intensity, there's a gradual ramp-up from fat-fueling to carb-fueling.
For weight loss (fat loss, anyway), even that doesn't matter.
If we're in a calorie deficit overall on average over periods of time (short on calories vs. how many you burn), eventually we'll make up that energy deficit by burning stored body fat. It doesn't much matter when we do it . . . might be during sleep, even.1 kg per week means around 3 to 4 kg in a month. i.e. 10 to 12 kg in 3 months
this speed is not much
however this is not possible while we have just started losing weight
weight loss has a graph
in first 2 month iwe will not lose weight at fast rate, after 2 month weight loss is at relatively higher
so after 2 month weight loss 10 to 12 kg in 3 months is significant
The bolded is also not some universal truth, either. Maybe it was your past experience, but it wasn't mine, and - from reading here - it isn't true for a fair fraction of people.
Other than the initial (pretty meaningless) water weight drop people see if they switch from high-carb to low-carb eating, fast weight loss is a bad plan, because fast fat loss is a bad plan. Increases health risks, makes the process less sustainable.
Sure, severely obese people can safely lose faster than people at lower weights. Unless you're under 157 cm, you're not obese, let alone severely obese.6 -
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
False.
Your body is burning calories 24/7, and it doesn't just burn what you ate 5 minutes ago.
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Factually inaccurate.Redordeadhead wrote: »You can also cut the same number of calories that would be in that meal at any other time of day and it will have the same result on fat loss.
Simplified: if you are in a calorie deficit, you lose.
No There's diffrence
I disagree completely.
What would the difference be?
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
I disagree in this particular case.
If you were 120 KG looking to get to 73 KG, then 1 KG per week might not be that fast. Even then it wouldn't be sustainable. At 77 KG trying to get to 73 KG, then 1 kilo per week is too fast. Then again, if you're really only doing it for four weeks, you won't do THAT much damage.
The next question is: What do you do in four weeks when you weigh 73 KG?
first about this
How do the laws of thermodynamics change by changing the schedule of your caloric deficit?
my friend if we consume food in day time our body works and try to get energy directly before excess calories get converted into fat
in night our body just convert calories into fat
If we eat a big meal late at night, our scale weight might be higher next morning than if we'd cut off eating earlier in the day. That has nothing to do with bodyfat. It has to do with how digesting/metabolizing food works. Eating late means there's more waste/water in a person's system from the person's meal than if the last meal had been earlier, that's all. Waste is not just what ends up in the toilet, either: We sweat, exhale, etc. (When we lose bodyfat, around 80% of it leaves as exhaled gases. The rest is mostly water, either urinated out, sweated out, or part of the humidity in what we exhale.)
We're burning calories 24/7 just being alive. Of the calories we burn during sleep, the highest percentage come from body fat. That's the extreme of a general truth: Lower intensity activities are fueled relatively more from fat (as a percentage of their calorie burn); higher intensity activities are fueled relatively more from carbohydrates in various forms. It's not an on/off switch: With increasing intensity, there's a gradual ramp-up from fat-fueling to carb-fueling.
For weight loss (fat loss, anyway), even that doesn't matter.
If we're in a calorie deficit overall on average over periods of time (short on calories vs. how many you burn), eventually we'll make up that energy deficit by burning stored body fat. It doesn't much matter when we do it . . . might be during sleep, even.1 kg per week means around 3 to 4 kg in a month. i.e. 10 to 12 kg in 3 months
this speed is not much
however this is not possible while we have just started losing weight
weight loss has a graph
in first 2 month iwe will not lose weight at fast rate, after 2 month weight loss is at relatively higher
so after 2 month weight loss 10 to 12 kg in 3 months is significant
The bolded is also not some universal truth, either. Maybe it was your past experience, but it wasn't mine, and - from reading here - it isn't true for a fair fraction of people.
Other than the initial (pretty meaningless) water weight drop people see if they switch from high-carb to low-carb eating, fast weight loss is a bad plan, because fast fat loss is a bad plan. Increases health risks, makes the process less sustainable.
Sure, severely obese people can safely lose faster than people at lower weights. Unless you're under 157 cm, you're not obese, let alone severely obese.
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I have been trying to lose my weight
currently at 77 kg, target at 73 kg
any better idea?
I’m unsure what better ideas you are looking for?
A better way to eat?
Better meal timings?
How to form habits so you can maintain?
How to set up an exercise program you love?
I do find certain times of day easier to eat cleanly than others. I can imagine that varies greatly from person to person. I found eating a bigger breakfast helped curtail my late afternoon munchies. Cutting out salty foods & sugary foods decreased my appetite. So, there are a few ideas for you.
I understand wanting to get to goal. But the goal is NOT that low weight…the GOAL is maintenance. Really.
Often, we’ve been in this Maintenance group along time, folks come on all gung-ho, losing quickly, with no concerns regarding maintenance. Losing your weight more slowly - as someone else mentioned - is a great time to practice maintenance.
Really think about what your True Goal is.
Do you want to be strong?
Flexible? Able to run easily?
Or improve risks of not getting a disease?
A certain level of body fat?
Or is it really just a number on a scale?
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