Come to Jesus Talk

PrettyAlaskan
PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
3/17/2023 - 235 - I fell off the wagon big time. Problem is that I didn’t get back on it. The bad eating continued through Thanksgiving, Christmas and even through to the New Year. I’m weighing myself and checking in so that I can be accountable. I’m not feeling very happy with my body and have noticed depression and immobility (couch freeze) creeping in again. The house gets messy when I have couch freeze. There is something in me that just doesn’t have the will to get up and move. Its like literally telling me, “you can’t do that!” It could be a side effect of sugar. I really believe it causes depression. It’s strange how cookies, because they are sweet and pure bliss when being consumed seem so completely innocent. Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it. Sure, it feels wonderful to curl up at my desk or on the couch with a blanket and drink cocoa and eat a cookie… but the result is my clothing getting more tight and my face looking puffy and aged, and lack of male attention, which makes me feel lonely and sad. I really want beautiful teeth too, but I need to brush them and quit bathing them in sugar. My destiny is to be a professional photographer and graphic designer for TCC. I will look the part. People will not only notice me, but they will respect me and follow my vision. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Amen!
I begin again.

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  • ktiesue
    ktiesue Posts: 1 Member
    Hi PrettyAlaskan! You are such a hard worker! You will get there! And you know your destiny of being a photographer! Nothing can stop you. I agree with your prayer! It is done in Jesus name 🙏
  • nanerkay
    nanerkay Posts: 725 Member
    edited March 2023
    Hi PrettyAlaskan I agree with your pray and know if it's God's will and you work on your dreams they will come to pass. I also struggle with something telling me I can't get up and go. I started my Journey last September under advisory of my doctor. I fell last summer off my mother's porch and I hurt my knee and I'm still having problems with it. Then I fell in the fall at church and hurt my elbow and hip. They are better now. But I also struggle with depression and anxiety. I'm doing better with it now I still have days that I don't want get up and move. I tried to make myself and I pray about and ask God to help me to overcome laziness and gluttony everyday. In Jesus name I calm the victory 🙌 I'm praying for him to lead and direct your steps in name of the Father The Son and the Holy Ghost.
  • jak1958
    jak1958 Posts: 82 Member
    Amen! Sending up prayers for victory in Jesus' Name 🙏
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    Thank you so much all! God is with us! I swear sugar is the enemy. Did you know fructose is an appetite stimulant? Google it! Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety.
  • nanerkay
    nanerkay Posts: 725 Member
    Sweeties are my down fall also I'm trying to get a handle on them. I know they Lord will help me if I try to control myself.
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 35,754 Member
    @AnnPT77
    https://community.myfitnesspal.es/en/discussion/comment/45233034

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  • LifeChangz
    LifeChangz Posts: 456 Member
    regarding the 'there is no wagon' ~ found it interesting....

    along the way, I stopped tieing all food/exercise together - it is a general approach here to do cico across a day or week or longer even - but for me, i would bargain away future cals with promises to eat less/exercise more in the future...

    there is a little book called "hungry" (?) by Alan Zadoff (?) i read once - a collection of like 40 lessons learned while he lost 125+ lbs and kept it off. There were a few ideas in the book I found profoundly helpful including the idea that meals have a beginning, middle and end. When you are done, you are done and that meal is history. Each meal is a new/fresh opportunity to nourish your body. No guilt about what you ate before - no fret about future meals. Deal with the meal/snack when it is time to eat, choose foods that nourish your body at that time that you also find emotionally pleasurable - eat and enjoy it. Then, when it is over, stop eating and go do other things.

    I think of it as de-linking and breaking the trigger chains... along with the on-going rationale to continue with excess eating/falling off the wagon episodes.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,201 Member
    Be thankful that you've recognized that being anxious and worried changes anything, and in fact makes it worse. Be grateful, love yourself and begin to accept that you can make a difference and you will. Cheers.
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    paperpudding wrote: »
    Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it.

    Tad hyperbolic :*

    And sugar doesn't make our bodies incapable of sensing satiety.

    I eat plenty of things containing sugar and it doesn't stop me feeling full, same with most other people.
    Sugar is not my enemy - I enjoy lots of sweet foods - of course in moderation and within calorie allowance.

    Satiety is very individual - best not to make blanket statements about 'our bodies' as if it applies to everyone.

    I was clearly talking about myself lol, but if it works for you then I consider you very fortunate!

  • nanerkay
    nanerkay Posts: 725 Member
    LifeChangz wrote: »
    regarding the 'there is no wagon' ~ found it interesting....

    along the way, I stopped tieing all food/exercise together - it is a general approach here to do cico across a day or week or longer even - but for me, i would bargain away future cals with promises to eat less/exercise more in the future...

    there is a little book called "hungry" (?) by Alan Zadoff (?) i read once - a collection of like 40 lessons learned while he lost 125+ lbs and kept it off. There were a few ideas in the book I found profoundly helpful including the idea that meals have a beginning, middle and end. When you are done, you are done and that meal is history. Each meal is a new/fresh opportunity to nourish your body. No guilt about what you ate before - no fret about future meals. Deal with the meal/snack when it is time to eat, choose foods that nourish your body at that time that you also find emotionally pleasurable - eat and enjoy it. Then, when it is over, stop eating and go do other things.

    I think of it as de-linking and breaking the trigger chains... along with the on-going rationale to continue with excess eating/falling off the wagon episodes.

    I may try this suggestion to do 1 meal at a time being thankful for that meal and wait until the next meal time to think about that meal. I know I'll still need to plan and prop meals. But I think of food way too much. A few years ago I went through a really hard place in my life and marriage. I got involved with someone I shouldn't have it almost cost me everything my marriage my Christianity and my family. When I cut the tides to him and had to fight to get my family and husband and to get in right standings with my Lord and Savior back I learned to take one day at a time and pray for mercy and grace. I think need to apply this to this to my eating problem. Thank you for sharing this sorry for the sharing my life struggle.
  • ragingbunny
    ragingbunny Posts: 2 Member
    The talk of depression, couch freeze, and negative self talks makes me wonder if a visit to your doctor is in order. It could be depression, low thyroid, low iron, hormone imbalance or a million other medical issues that cause depression like symptoms. You are awesome and amazing.
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    nanerkay wrote: »
    LifeChangz wrote: »
    regarding the 'there is no wagon' ~ found it interesting....

    along the way, I stopped tieing all food/exercise together - it is a general approach here to do cico across a day or week or longer even - but for me, i would bargain away future cals with promises to eat less/exercise more in the future...

    there is a little book called "hungry" (?) by Alan Zadoff (?) i read once - a collection of like 40 lessons learned while he lost 125+ lbs and kept it off. There were a few ideas in the book I found profoundly helpful including the idea that meals have a beginning, middle and end. When you are done, you are done and that meal is history. Each meal is a new/fresh opportunity to nourish your body. No guilt about what you ate before - no fret about future meals. Deal with the meal/snack when it is time to eat, choose foods that nourish your body at that time that you also find emotionally pleasurable - eat and enjoy it. Then, when it is over, stop eating and go do other things.

    I think of it as de-linking and breaking the trigger chains... along with the on-going rationale to continue with excess eating/falling off the wagon episodes.

    I may try this suggestion to do 1 meal at a time being thankful for that meal and wait until the next meal time to think about that meal. I know I'll still need to plan and prop meals. But I think of food way too much. A few years ago I went through a really hard place in my life and marriage. I got involved with someone I shouldn't have it almost cost me everything my marriage my Christianity and my family. When I cut the tides to him and had to fight to get my family and husband and to get in right standings with my Lord and Savior back I learned to take one day at a time and pray for mercy and grace. I think need to apply this to this to my eating problem. Thank you for sharing this sorry for the sharing my life struggle.

    I’ve struggled with my marriage as well… it’s hard. I’m so glad that you got things sorted and hope that you have learned some important lessons. Hugs from afar <3
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    ragingbunny wrote: »
    The talk of depression, couch freeze, and negative self talks makes me wonder if a visit to your doctor is in order. It could be depression, low thyroid, low iron, hormone imbalance or a million other medical issues that cause depression like symptoms. You are awesome and amazing.

    Thanks ♥️ It’s probably my dang thyroid got diagnosed with hashimotos and low vitamin D, and it doesn’t help to be in Alaska in darkness all winter for months at a time! I’ve been working with a counselor. Weirdly enough using CBD oil snaps me out of my funk and then I get up and active again.
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    edited March 2023
    paperpudding wrote: »
    PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it.

    Tad hyperbolic :*

    And sugar doesn't make our bodies incapable of sensing satiety.

    I eat plenty of things containing sugar and it doesn't stop me feeling full, same with most other people.
    Sugar is not my enemy - I enjoy lots of sweet foods - of course in moderation and within calorie allowance.

    Satiety is very individual - best not to make blanket statements about 'our bodies' as if it applies to everyone.

    I was clearly talking about myself lol, but if it works for you then I consider you very fortunate!

    No, not very fortunate, - very ordinary.

    Like I said most people can eat things with sugar in them and it doesnt stop them feeling full.

    you may be different, - but that was my point, these things are very individual.

    This part wasnt clearly just about yourself " Did you know fructose is an appetite stimulant? Google it! Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety. - which certainly comes across as an 'our bodies' and people in general, not just yourself.

    what would we be googling if it was just about yourself?

    I don’t mean to be a stickler, but I guess that I will be, because this is the phrase that you originally quoted, “Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it”, which is about me.

    Anyways, I’m not on here to debate and if I give out information that doesn’t apply to someone they can disregard it.

    I do appreciate your response though!

    To back up my claim of fructose being an appetite stimulant please visit https://www.nofructose.com/food-ideas/appetite-control/ at the bottom of the page there are several legitimate citations. Very very interesting read!
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,261 Member
    edited March 2023
    Yes that was the phrase I said was a tad hyperbolic. That one is about you. I don't dispute that.

    Your following post was the one that said " Did you know fructose is an appetite stimulant? Google it! Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety."

    - which certainly comes across as an 'our bodies' and people in general, not just yourself."

    It was clearly not just about yourself.

    And the article you showed is somebody's suggestions, along with some scientific information about hunger hormones.
    That isnt at all 'sugar literally making our bodies incapable of sensing satiety.'

    People can disregard information - or they can politely point out it is incorrect.




  • nanerkay
    nanerkay Posts: 725 Member
    edited March 2023
    PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
    nanerkay wrote: »
    LifeChangz wrote: »
    regarding the 'there is no wagon' ~ found it interesting....

    along the way, I stopped tieing all food/exercise together - it is a general approach here to do cico across a day or week or longer even - but for me, i would bargain away future cals with promises to eat less/exercise more in the future...

    there is a little book called "hungry" (?) by Alan Zadoff (?) i read once - a collection of like 40 lessons learned while he lost 125+ lbs and kept it off. There were a few ideas in the book I found profoundly helpful including the idea that meals have a beginning, middle and end. When you are done, you are done and that meal is history. Each meal is a new/fresh opportunity to nourish your body. No guilt about what you ate before - no fret about future meals. Deal with the meal/snack when it is time to eat, choose foods that nourish your body at that time that you also find emotionally pleasurable - eat and enjoy it. Then, when it is over, stop eating and go do other things.

    I think of it as de-linking and breaking the trigger chains... along with the on-going rationale to continue with excess eating/falling off the wagon episodes.

    I may try this suggestion to do 1 meal at a time being thankful for that meal and wait until the next meal time to think about that meal. I know I'll still need to plan and prop meals. But I think of food way too much. A few years ago I went through a really hard place in my life and marriage. I got involved with someone I shouldn't have it almost cost me everything my marriage my Christianity and my family. When I cut the tides to him and had to fight to get my family and husband and to get in right standings with my Lord and Savior back I learned to take one day at a time and pray for mercy and grace. I think need to apply this to this to my eating problem. Thank you for sharing this sorry for the sharing my life struggle.

    I’ve struggled with my marriage as well… it’s hard. I’m so glad that you got things sorted and hope that you have learned some important lessons. Hugs from afar <3

    I have learned a lot and I've grown a lot in my Christianity. We still have issues at times
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,102 Member
    edited March 2023
    PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
    I don’t mean to be a stickler, but I guess that I will be, because this is the phrase that you originally quoted, “Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it”, which is about me.

    Anyways, I’m not on here to debate and if I give out information that doesn’t apply to someone they can disregard it.

    I do appreciate your response though!

    To back up my claim of fructose being an appetite stimulant please visit https://www.nofructose.com/food-ideas/appetite-control/ at the bottom of the page there are several legitimate citations. Very very interesting read!
    Consider https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4076145/

    The researchers' conclusions seem a little less dramatic than "sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety". How the popular press reported those findings . . . well, they're a little more click-bait-y. But even they have a lot of "may", "possibly" and "results suggest" kind of language, too. Until you get to the cheap-cr*p ones, anyway.

    A site named "nofructose.com"? Yeah, sure, I'd anticipate that's a sober-minded, analytic, balanced site. Not. Did you read the studies it linked? I did. Same deal there: Lots more cautious terminology than at nofructose.com, unsurprisingly. Fructose vs. glucose processing in the body is interesting, provocative, maybe actionable for us individually in some ways . . . but again way more nuanced than "sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety". (I understand the difference between sugar and fructose, just as an aside.)

    Personally, I eat quite a lot of fructose every day, because I adore fruit, and many fruits have plentiful fructose (also a bunch of excellent micros, lots of fiber, beneficial phytochemicals, often useful prebiotics). On top of that, some of my favorite veggies are relatively higher fructose (broccoli, onions, peas . . . .). I eat molasses every day (around 13% fructose).

    I don't have Hashi's, but I'm severely hypothyroid (medicated). I was overweight/obese for around 30 years, at least a dozen of that while hypo. For the most recent 7+ years, I haven't even been even remotely close to obese (currently low 130s pounds at 5'5"). I probably eat more fruit than I did when I was fat. (Hard to tell relative fructose intake, I admit - I didn't log or even pay much attention when I was fat, despite being a pretty healthy eater (just eating too much).

    I understand wanting to defend an assertion, or an opinion. Still - and don't I know it! - defending our opinions is IMO not as useful than continually questioning and critiquing them (which is also harder). I also know that it's easy - tempting, even - to be hyperbolic when I've reached a conclusion.

    You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower.

    P.S. I trimmed the prior quotes to just the one I was responding to, which I don't like to do. Honestly, I messed up the quote tags somewhere in there, tried to fix it properly, and haven't succeeded. I'm sorry. With apologies: Other readers, please read the previous context of the thread to get a fair understanding of where everyone is coming from.
  • nanerkay
    nanerkay Posts: 725 Member
    edited March 2023
    Day one no sweets I'm going to try to give up on eating desserts and eating more vegetables and fruit instead of dessert. I'm a person right now could live on just eating desserts but I'm going to change that with will power and God's strength to help me. My husband eating them chocolate marshmallow eggs in front of me wasn't easy but I made it 😃
  • LifeChangz
    LifeChangz Posts: 456 Member
    @nanerkay ~ it helped me to delink/untie the eating...
    I hear what you are saying about thinking of food - it can invade everything - and somethings are right, good and appropriate - we do need to carve time to find/acquire food to eat, prepare it/make it available - time to eat and enjoy it - guilt free... then that time ends and it is time to do other things.

    have you ever noticed, you're not even hungry, some tv ad for food comes on then you're ready to hop in the car and go get it??? Those are the 'whatever other reasons' that don't solve a real food problem - it's not because I'm hungry - it's not because my body needs more food to be nourished - it's because some company wants to get rich because they lit a stick of tnt under my tukus on the couch to get up and go pay them $$ for some twinkly piece of food - lol... yeah, they would empty my wallet for a few boxes of donuts!!!

    addressing the squirrely thinking - the thoughts that come up saying *poke more food in my mouth* because other bad/good things are going on - I sometimes ask myself - is this a real body/necessary reason to eat food? Or is this a non-food reason that makes me want to eat but if I eat it - will that fix the problem??? um, No!
    --rage eating (like chain smoking cigarettes) - I think dealing with strong negative emotions - especially emotional conflict like difficult marriages - for me, those are the toughest urges to eat to ignore/change/resist. When I was really 'upset' I used to 'chain smoke' - i realized one day that I was doing that with food - for example grab a big bag of chips and crunch them fast. Did eating the chips fast fix the problem? No. Did chain smoking fix the problem? no.
    -- so breaking the chain from the trigger (strong emotions) to the EXCESS eating/EXCESS smoking is something I work on. Is it a real body needs food reason? then eat. If no - stop. do something else to soothe the emotion.

    fwiw, Hope this helps :)
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    edited March 2023
    paperpudding wrote: »
    Yes that was the phrase I said was a tad hyperbolic. That one is about you. I don't dispute that.

    Your following post was the one that said " Did you know fructose is an appetite stimulant? Google it! Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety."

    - which certainly comes across as an 'our bodies' and people in general, not just yourself."

    It was clearly not just about yourself.

    And the article you showed is somebody's suggestions, along with some scientific information about hunger hormones.
    That isnt at all 'sugar literally making our bodies incapable of sensing satiety.'

    People can disregard information - or they can politely point out it is incorrect.




    Point taken. Next time quote me on the particular part of my post that you find misleading and not applying to people in general. You originally quoted me on something very personal. Anyways, I can post whatever nonsense I feel inclined to. Sugar is bad, sugar is the devil. Sorry, not sorry. Sugar is an appetite stimulant and does affect satiety.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3627933/#sec-12title

    “Foods with a higher GI, such as drinks sweetened with sugar, are rapidly digested and absorbed and provoke a rapid increase in blood glucose, a fact that exacerbates hunger and favors hyperphagia, since these food are unable to stimulate the mechanisms of satiety [12].”

  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    nanerkay wrote: »
    I'm trying my best to avoid sugar in my diet. I'm diabetic and I got a scareover some blood work results on kidney function but my doctor said it was nothing to worry about right now. I lost a brother in law a few years back to kindly failure. So I'm fully aware of how diabetes can mess you up. So day 2 no sweets

    I drink a lot of water every day most days 8 to 10 glasses of water. Most people get up and get a coffee first thing in the morning not me it's a 16.9 oz bottle of water.

    I hear you and I'm hoping for healing for you and a good diagnosis. I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother in law. My aunt has CKD and it's been a real challenge. It's never too late to stop poisoning with sugar. I've cut way back because my mom has diabetes and my aunt does too and I see how much pain they have been through. We are all very addicted to sugar in our family and love baking :(

    Keep up that water drinking and sugar avoiding! (((hugs)))

    P.S. if you are interested listen to Dr. Anthony Chaffee on high protein diets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc-dUPNwc1E about 5 minutes in he talks about kidneys and protein
  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    edited March 2023

    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    PrettyAlaskan wrote: »

    You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower.

    P.S. I trimmed the prior quotes to just the one I was responding to, which I don't like to do. Honestly, I messed up the quote tags somewhere in there, tried to fix it properly, and haven't succeeded. I'm sorry. With apologies: Other readers, please read the previous context of the thread to get a fair understanding of where everyone is coming from.

    1) "You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower." - aw thanks I really try, but most days fail
    2) I agree with your statement about "cautious terminology" - I plan to find some more definitive studies, because they are out there
    3) I love fruit too and have not cut that out completely, but view it as a treat. - my problem is more with table sugar and all the sugar alcohols
    4) I'm sorry about your hypo it's difficult to deal with and I believe that you will overcome - speaking from experience I was diagnosed with Autoimmune liver disease as well and going meat-based with the occasional treat here and there helped me go into remission, which is HUGE for me. I was in constant pain and fatigue from that
    5) I haven't stopped questioning or critiquing, but when I notice something that has really made a difference I can get kind of excited - honestly I'm more thinking it's cutting processed stuff and table sugar and bread that really made the difference for me - still working on the weight part lol - congrats on your weight loss, I bet you feel much better

  • PrettyAlaskan
    PrettyAlaskan Posts: 130 Member
    nanerkay wrote: »
    Day one no sweets I'm going to try to give up on eating desserts and eating more vegetables and fruit instead of dessert. I'm a person right now could live on just eating desserts but I'm going to change that with will power and God's strength to help me. My husband eating them chocolate marshmallow eggs in front of me wasn't easy but I made it 😃

    ooh my yes! my husband does the same thing God bless him :neutral: Upping your intake of meat can help you feel more satisfied too. I'm way less ravenous if I make some fried eggs and butter for breakfast and munch on jerky and boiled eggs during the day.

    Good luck to you!!

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