Come to Jesus Talk
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LifeChangz wrote: »@nanerkay ~
addressing the squirrely thinking - the thoughts that come up saying *poke more food in my mouth* because other bad/good things are going on - I sometimes ask myself - is this a real body/necessary reason to eat food? Or is this a non-food reason that makes me want to eat but if I eat it - will that fix the problem??? um, No!
--rage eating (like chain smoking cigarettes) - I think dealing with strong negative emotions - especially emotional conflict like difficult marriages - for me, those are the toughest urges to eat to ignore/change/resist. When I was really 'upset' I used to 'chain smoke' - i realized one day that I was doing that with food - for example grab a big bag of chips and crunch them fast. Did eating the chips fast fix the problem? No. Did chain smoking fix the problem? no.
-- so breaking the chain from the trigger (strong emotions) to the EXCESS eating/EXCESS smoking is something I work on. Is it a real body needs food reason? then eat. If no - stop. do something else to soothe the emotion.
fwiw, Hope this helps
I do this... I used to binge really bad until I would be sick. I still haven't found a solid solution for this other than distracting myself with crafts and writing script.
What are some ways that you deal with the stress without smoking or eating junk food? Oh gosh now I'm thinking about cigarettes... ugh
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Consider https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4076145/PrettyAlaskan wrote: »I don’t mean to be a stickler, but I guess that I will be, because this is the phrase that you originally quoted, “Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it”, which is about me.
Anyways, I’m not on here to debate and if I give out information that doesn’t apply to someone they can disregard it.
I do appreciate your response though!
To back up my claim of fructose being an appetite stimulant please visit https://www.nofructose.com/food-ideas/appetite-control/ at the bottom of the page there are several legitimate citations. Very very interesting read!
The researchers' conclusions seem a little less dramatic than "sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety". How the popular press reported those findings . . . well, they're a little more click-bait-y. But even they have a lot of "may", "possibly" and "results suggest" kind of language, too. Until you get to the cheap-cr*p ones, anyway.
A site named "nofructose.com"? Yeah, sure, I'd anticipate that's a sober-minded, analytic, balanced site. Not. Did you read the studies it linked? I did. Same deal there: Lots more cautious terminology than at nofructose.com, unsurprisingly. Fructose vs. glucose processing in the body is interesting, provocative, maybe actionable for us individually in some ways . . . but again way more nuanced than "sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety". (I understand the difference between sugar and fructose, just as an aside.)
Personally, I eat quite a lot of fructose every day, because I adore fruit, and many fruits have plentiful fructose (also a bunch of excellent micros, lots of fiber, beneficial phytochemicals, often useful prebiotics). On top of that, some of my favorite veggies are relatively higher fructose (broccoli, onions, peas . . . .). I eat molasses every day (around 13% fructose).
I don't have Hashi's, but I'm severely hypothyroid (medicated). I was overweight/obese for around 30 years, at least a dozen of that while hypo. For the most recent 7+ years, I haven't even been even remotely close to obese (currently low 130s pounds at 5'5"). I probably eat more fruit than I did when I was fat. (Hard to tell relative fructose intake, I admit - I didn't log or even pay much attention when I was fat, despite being a pretty healthy eater (just eating too much).
I understand wanting to defend an assertion, or an opinion. Still - and don't I know it! - defending our opinions is IMO not as useful than continually questioning and critiquing them (which is also harder). I also know that it's easy - tempting, even - to be hyperbolic when I've reached a conclusion.
You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower.
P.S. I trimmed the prior quotes to just the one I was responding to, which I don't like to do. Honestly, I messed up the quote tags somewhere in there, tried to fix it properly, and haven't succeeded. I'm sorry. With apologies: Other readers, please read the previous context of the thread to get a fair understanding of where everyone is coming from.
Yeah, even though the science does show fructose having less effect on satiety signaling overall we don't consume fructose in isolation and doesn't appear anywhere in the food supply and when we look closer, there's no smoking gun against fructose in that context, and fruit is the perfect example, the basic I told you so example considering fruit is not being consumed much differently than it always has.
However when the general population talks about sugar and the effects it has on their n:1 uncontrollable situations it's about foods high in sugar generally and examples are things like desserts, cookies, soft drinks/sports drinks/chocolate milk, breakfast cereals and many other examples. These examples are also considered ultra palatable and mostly ultra processed which slide into that slot along with the fats and highly refined carbohydrates and of course salt that are the basic make up of these foods and the overall science looking at these foods, which whatever lens you use to look at these is not flattering at all, and feeding behaviors are no exception. imo. Cheers
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PrettyAlaskan wrote: »PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower.
P.S. I trimmed the prior quotes to just the one I was responding to, which I don't like to do. Honestly, I messed up the quote tags somewhere in there, tried to fix it properly, and haven't succeeded. I'm sorry. With apologies: Other readers, please read the previous context of the thread to get a fair understanding of where everyone is coming from.
1) "You're an intelligent woman. That's a superpower." - aw thanks I really try, but most days fail
2) I agree with your statement about "cautious terminology" - I plan to find some more definitive studies, because they are out there
3) I love fruit too and have not cut that out completely, but view it as a treat. - my problem is more with table sugar and all the sugar alcohols
4) I'm sorry about your hypo it's difficult to deal with and I believe that you will overcome - speaking from experience I was diagnosed with Autoimmune liver disease as well and going meat-based with the occasional treat here and there helped me go into remission, which is HUGE for me. I was in constant pain and fatigue from that
5) I haven't stopped questioning or critiquing, but when I notice something that has really made a difference I can get kind of excited - honestly I'm more thinking it's cutting processed stuff and table sugar and bread that really made the difference for me - still working on the weight part lol - congrats on your weight loss, I bet you feel much better
Thank you for that (the bolded), but for clarity I haven't particularly found my hypothyroidism to have any negative affect on weight management at all, for me, given that I'm properly medicated for it. I lost from just over the line into class 1 obese to a healthy weight in 2015-16 in a bit less than a year (after around 30 previous years of overweight/obesity), and have stayed at a healthy weight for 7+ years now since that loss, thanks in large part to MFP.
I'm very sympathetic, though, to the fact that some health conditions do have an impact for some people, including hypothyroidism.2 -
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neanderthin wrote: »Be thankful that you've recognized that being anxious and worried changes anything, and in fact makes it worse. Be grateful, love yourself and begin to accept that you can make a difference and you will. Cheers.
thank you neanderthin! I love your username
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I'm sorry but sugar is NOT poison. For diabetics, sure. Limit it but you don't have to completely cut it out. For people NOT diabetic...like me who probably could have been if I hadn't lost all the weight I'd lost...I'd be dead 90 times over if sugar was poison. Sugar is a food group for me
PLEASE stop demonizing food.
well not even for diabetics.
Of course they have to limit their sugar intake much more than the general population - but it isnt a matter of it being poison - they can have small controlled amounts
and of course for diabetics sugar can be a lifesaver - type 1 diabetics going into hypos get revived with sugar - usually in the form of jelly babies or suchlike.
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PrettyAlaskan wrote: »I'm trying my best to avoid sugar in my diet. I'm diabetic and I got a scareover some blood work results on kidney function but my doctor said it was nothing to worry about right now. I lost a brother in law a few years back to kindly failure. So I'm fully aware of how diabetes can mess you up. So day 2 no sweets
I drink a lot of water every day most days 8 to 10 glasses of water. Most people get up and get a coffee first thing in the morning not me it's a 16.9 oz bottle of water.
I hear you and I'm hoping for healing for you and a good diagnosis. I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother in law. My aunt has CKD and it's been a real challenge. It's never too late to stop poisoning with sugar. I've cut way back because my mom has diabetes and my aunt does too and I see how much pain they have been through. We are all very addicted to sugar in our family and love baking
Keep up that water drinking and sugar avoiding! (((hugs)))
P.S. if you are interested listen to Dr. Anthony Chaffee on high protein diets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc-dUPNwc1E about 5 minutes in he talks about kidneys and protein
Thank you I'll pray for your family and like your family we're big on baking and dinners. We have Sunday dinner every Sunday that will be the big challenge .1 -
I was happy and surprised I have two pairs of jeans that I like to wear I couldn't find them this morning they some how got mixed in with my daughters clothes. So I got out another that wouldn't fit before I couldn't even button them before. We was a Easter program practice.My daughter told me mom them pants are to baggie I could kiss her to death so I'll take it for a win.3
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I'm sorry but sugar is NOT poison. For diabetics, sure. Limit it but you don't have to completely cut it out. For people NOT diabetic...like me who probably could have been if I hadn't lost all the weight I'd lost...I'd be dead 90 times over if sugar was poison. Sugar is a food group for me
PLEASE stop demonizing food.
(I honestly never would have even looked in this thread but I thought the subject line was meant in humor and not literally.)
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paperpudding wrote: »PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
I thought it was obvious from context - but, sure, if it helps I will break quotes down to separate parts in future.
Yes you can post 'whatever nonsense you feel inclined to' - others can then point out it is incorrect.
Posting extreme statements like 'sugar is the devil' is likely to elicit such responses.
I dont dispute, and I doubt anyone would, that some foods have a higher GI than others and that higher GI equates to rapidly digested and less satiating.
But that isnt "Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety."
Plenty of foods with sugar in them can have low GI (GI refers to the entire food, not one ingredient) and what is satiating is individual.
Like I said before.
"Yes you can post 'whatever nonsense you feel inclined to' - others can then point out it is incorrect." - it's not 'incorrect' for everyone, so people can point out what they please - some people such as myself have an issue with sugar and it completely removes the feeling of satiety when consumed
"Posting extreme statements like 'sugar is the devil' is likely to elicit such responses." - for me (and for some people that struggle with metabolic disorder) sugar is the devil - sometimes extreme measures are needed to remediate extreme life-altering/crippling diseases (ie. diabetes, autoimmune issues, and etc)
"Plenty of foods with sugar in them can have low GI (GI refers to the entire food, not one ingredient) and what is satiating is individual." - perhaps I should have been more specific, I see table sugar, sugar alcohol, and junk food as drugs. I still treat myself with fruits and some vegetables, but I view all carbs as a treat. Overeating fruit is possible and can cause weight gain in some individuals and can also act as a "gateway drug" for people with addictive personalities. So I tread carefully when consuming any carbs.
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I'm confused--did Jesus not eat sweets?8
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snowflake954 wrote: »I'm confused--did Jesus not eat sweets?
He was VERY hangry during that whole table-flipping incident.5 -
I was happy and surprised I have two pairs of jeans that I like to wear I couldn't find them this morning they some how got mixed in with my daughters clothes. So I got out another that wouldn't fit before I couldn't even button them before. We was a Easter program practice.My daughter told me mom them pants are to baggie I could kiss her to death so I'll take it for a win.
Isn't that just the best feeling!
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@PrettyAlaskan ~ you asked how I address the evening bingeing (and former smoking) urges....
for a long time, I didn't even realize my eating patterns had names... for a long time, I tried typical ways to lose weight and stop smoking, and usually cold turkey with both smoking and dieting fad/crash diets. Asked doc - dang, if I can only do 1, which first. He suggested the smoking... so I tried to quit every time I had an urge to quit - and finally managed to push thru the withdrawals and urges to stop quitting/resume smoking in 2006 - physical agitation & withdrawals were intense, and I had severe crankies for quite a few weeks. The push thru involved a lot of white knuckling - and that time I made it through... and realized I got urges to smoke virtually every situation/minute for a long time - and thought - yeesh, I essentially have to "relearn how to live life without sickerettes' - i landed in a group of about 12 peeps talking online - we all quit NY's day and I found the online support profoundly helpful because i could come and talk when i needed...
in that process of quitting sickerettes, i immediately gained 15+ lbs - my eating got really wonky, appetite roared but also only wanted particular foods... by the 15+ lbs I was looking for another diet... did the usual fad/crash diet and soon I was quitting the diet - repeat repeat repeat the yoyo...
along the way, stumbled across people talking about 'binge eating' ~ a term I had never heard before and thought, ah ha, that sounds like my eating... and went on to explore a book 'Overcoming Binge Eating?" by Christopher Fairburn that helped me figure out the ways/hows/whys i fell into a binge eating pattern
-- (but it did not describe the underlying physical drives/withdrawals that later information emerged that suggests a food addiction to 'hyper-palatable foods' as described by David Kessler in 'the end of overeating' ~ when i had another 'ah-ha' moment that described the physical drives...
-- And then later a 3rd & 4th books I read together 'food junkies' by Tarman and 'weight loss surgery does not cure food addiction' by Stapleton.
-- In 1 of those books it describes various expressions of food addiction and my particular would be "volume food addiction expressed through binge eating" [and I would add - mostly evenings, over long periods - because once started can feel impossible to get stopped again.]
I share these resources because they can help identify the hows & whys the patterns evolve - along with ideas for addressing them. When I look at ideas - i can use some immediately, others I set aside for maybe later and some are definitely in the not now, maybe never category...
for me, i also stumbled across the idea of a 'range of eating patterns' along a line; normal on the far left and totally disordered/eating disorder serious as a heart attack on the far right - and that many eating patterns can move in-between - the eating is a problem when it is causing problems for the person... (aka dis-ordered eating) and that is an un-scientific explanation, lol - but it helped me to say - hey, what eating times/ways are a problem for me and how can I improve them - and I had so many, it has been like de-tangling a ginormous ball of tangled up yarn - i work on it persistently. I identify the urge, assess if it is a real 'body needs more food now' reason to to eat and eat in ways to nourish my body. If it is not a real food body needs to be nourished reason' then I look to solve it in non-food ways... and practice that...
for evenings, during the hardest time for me - I would schedule in a significant snack or 4th meal for along time before i could drop these snacks. then, enjoy the scheduled snacks guilt free just like the breakfast, lunch & dinner meals. I also struggled with urges to eat from dinner until morning; at bedtime and middle of the night eating so I scheduled snacks for then too. As I did that, if I forgot that or was not struggling, I began to pass on the bedtime and middle of the night snacks. I did notice that 'STRESS and fatigue' made the urges worse - so often the fix is early to bed or relaxation activities like a warm bubble bath/shower or soothing hot cup of tea or laff tv/movie or reading by candlelight would help me de-stress and wind down....
along the way, i realized that if I could not stop the overeating - weight loss would not happen in a permanent way and I would continue to yoyo. so I elevated "stable eating" (aka normalize eating" as a higher priority over weight loss - this shift in focus addresses eating patterns - as I am stable and able with my eating, the scale/weight loss follows.
and, I realized that I was not able to 'stop and never binge again' and when I tried - it was emotionally distressing - so I started focusing on just getting through that 1 day or evening... The book Hungry by Alan Zadoff helped me and also the book 'the amazing adventures of dietgirl' by Reid - both of these people lost and kept off 125+ lbs and dealt with binge/compulsive overeating... both books had kernels of truth and ideas I found helpful.
so upshot - i quit trying to have absolute goals - like i will never binge again or I will lose this weight once and for all and keep it off forever - i can hear the voices of the women I grew up with who talked like this... and I had to unlearn squirrely thinking... and it helped to address today, the next meal, the urges right now... instead of lumping everything together, do or die forever kind of absolutist thinking... and keep practicing - as I do that, many things have evolved and improved... with more to come... as I keep practicing.... it is very hopeful, forward thinking and a happier place to dwell (than dwelling in the past, mistakes/failures/ick/giving up - and instead embracing the change and benefits and better life to come, ahead... daydream there, dwell forward).
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regarding the title of this thread - 'come to Jesus talk' has been a cultural saying within my family/friends & acquaintances - like 'let's get real' ~ frank ~ face the music ~ word ~ straight up! Hit me with your best shot ~ reality bites... It's a place to start. And for me, prayers & meditation & faith is a deeply held belief, faith and life approach - as in 'all things to our Lord in prayer' ~ this includes our struggles/needs - and for me personally, includes these kinds of issues...3
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paperpudding wrote: »*peeks in*
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I'm sorry but sugar is NOT poison. For diabetics, sure. Limit it but you don't have to completely cut it out. For people NOT diabetic...like me who probably could have been if I hadn't lost all the weight I'd lost...I'd be dead 90 times over if sugar was poison. Sugar is a food group for me
PLEASE stop demonizing food.
well not even for diabetics.
Of course they have to limit their sugar intake much more than the general population - but it isnt a matter of it being poison - they can have small controlled amounts
and of course for diabetics sugar can be a lifesaver - type 1 diabetics going into hypos get revived with sugar - usually in the form of jelly babies or suchlike.
Good points there. I've found that dealing with diabetes is a balancing act. Eating a good amount of fatty meat can help sustain the blood sugar and if they still happen to have a crash having bananas and applesauce handy are very helpful. Think slow burning fuel, but it takes time to adapt to a fat burning state, so going "cold turkey" on all carbs for diabetics isn't a good idea. Natural sugars in a more whole-food state is the best way to taper down sugar intake. Just from observing this disease I see it's caused by eating too much processed sugar and foods. Those processed carbs act as a drug and often times it's necessary to taper off of drugs to avoid serious withdrawal side effects.0 -
neanderthin wrote: »
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Yeah, even though the science does show fructose having less effect on satiety signaling overall we don't consume fructose in isolation and doesn't appear anywhere in the food supply and when we look closer, there's no smoking gun against fructose in that context, and fruit is the perfect example, the basic I told you so example considering fruit is not being consumed much differently than it always has.
However when the general population talks about sugar and the effects it has on their n:1 uncontrollable situations it's about foods high in sugar generally and examples are things like desserts, cookies, soft drinks/sports drinks/chocolate milk, breakfast cereals and many other examples. These examples are also considered ultra palatable and mostly ultra processed which slide into that slot along with the fats and highly refined carbohydrates and of course salt that are the basic make up of these foods and the overall science looking at these foods, which whatever lens you use to look at these is not flattering at all, and feeding behaviors are no exception. imo. Cheers
Hello
"we don't consume fructose in isolation and doesn't appear anywhere in the food supply and when we look closer" - "Table sugar, called sucrose, is made from sugar cane or beets and is 50 percent glucose and 50 percent fructose." https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/high-fructose-corn-syrup-or-table-sugar-for-better-health-avoid-too-much-of-either/
"the basic I told you so example considering fruit is not being consumed much differently than it always has" - fruit is being juiced and blended into smoothies which in turn can contribute to major health issues such as NAFLD and not to mention fruit has been genetically modified to contain more naturally occurring sugars than ever before - just an example: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/02/06/infographic-5-popular-foods-genetically-modified-humans-gmos/
However when the general population talks about sugar and the effects it has on their n:1 uncontrollable situations it's about foods high in sugar generally and examples are things like desserts, cookies, soft drinks/sports drinks/chocolate milk, breakfast cereals and many other examples. - My sister was dieting and decided drinking fruit smoothies was a great idea. She had her A1C tested prior to her diet and was fine, but a year into her new way of eating she was diagnosed with elevated A1C and Prediabetes. She quickly removed the smoothies since that was her only indulgence and her A1C normalized again.
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LifeChangz wrote: »regarding the title of this thread - 'come to Jesus talk' has been a cultural saying within my family/friends & acquaintances - like 'let's get real' ~ frank ~ face the music ~ word ~ straight up! Hit me with your best shot ~ reality bites... It's a place to start. And for me, prayers & meditation & faith is a deeply held belief, faith and life approach - as in 'all things to our Lord in prayer' ~ this includes our struggles/needs - and for me personally, includes these kinds of issues...
Yeah in ours too lol. My faith in God affects everything in my life.
It's kind of cringe I know, but the original post was from my private health journal and I just copied and pasted here. It's been interesting reading all the responses 1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »I'm confused--did Jesus not eat sweets?
He was VERY hangry during that whole table-flipping incident.
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I've never considered the title phrase as a negative... but acknowledgement of a real concern - although it is often said in situations of negative emotions... for sure.2
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@LifeChangz ~LifeChangz wrote: »@PrettyAlaskan ~ you asked how I address the evening bingeing (and former smoking) urges....
for a long time, I didn't even realize my eating patterns had names...
"In 1 of those books it describes various expressions of food addiction and my particular would be "volume food addiction expressed through binge eating" [and I would add - mostly evenings, over long periods - because once started can feel impossible to get stopped again." - Thanks for the book suggestions, I'm checking out the "overcoming binge eating" one. At one point when I was struggling with binge eating I remembered my stomach feeling full, but I just kept craving more "carbage" (AKA garbage). I since started keto and then went to mostly meat (I'm trying to do the carnivore diet). I tried binging on meat and literally could not. I was dumbfounded and could not even think of putting one more piece of food in my mouth, meat or carb. Something in meats just puts a stopper on it (could add in some links about animal fats, but don't want to open up that can of worms just yet), but then adding sugar back in makes me eat more of everything and then eventually binge again.
"so often the fix is early to bed or relaxation activities like a warm bubble bath/shower or soothing hot cup of tea or laff tv/movie or reading by candlelight" - I like this suggestion, thanks
"and, I realized that I was not able to 'stop and never binge again' and when I tried - it was emotionally distressing - so I started focusing on just getting through that 1 day or evening... The book Hungry by Alan Zadoff helped me and also the book 'the amazing adventures of dietgirl' by Reid - both of these people lost and kept off 125+ lbs and dealt with binge/compulsive overeating... both books had kernels of truth and ideas I found helpful." - I just added both these books to my cart. I'm going to try to binge on reading instead of carbage. It's hard to get the stuff out of the house, because my kids are big enough that they bake brownies and stuff and my husband drags in soda and chips too.
Thanks for the photo too, I will put that as my background on my phone for a while.
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When I said we don't consume fructose in isolation, it means pure 100% fructose and all sources of sugar are a combination of glucose and fructose, just thought I'd clear that up.PrettyAlaskan wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »
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Yeah, even though the science does show fructose having less effect on satiety signaling overall we don't consume fructose in isolation and doesn't appear anywhere in the food supply and when we look closer, there's no smoking gun against fructose in that context, and fruit is the perfect example, the basic I told you so example considering fruit is not being consumed much differently than it always has.
However when the general population talks about sugar and the effects it has on their n:1 uncontrollable situations it's about foods high in sugar generally and examples are things like desserts, cookies, soft drinks/sports drinks/chocolate milk, breakfast cereals and many other examples. These examples are also considered ultra palatable and mostly ultra processed which slide into that slot along with the fats and highly refined carbohydrates and of course salt that are the basic make up of these foods and the overall science looking at these foods, which whatever lens you use to look at these is not flattering at all, and feeding behaviors are no exception. imo. Cheers
Hello
"we don't consume fructose in isolation and doesn't appear anywhere in the food supply and when we look closer" - "Table sugar, called sucrose, is made from sugar cane or beets and is 50 percent glucose and 50 percent fructose." https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/high-fructose-corn-syrup-or-table-sugar-for-better-health-avoid-too-much-of-either/
"the basic I told you so example considering fruit is not being consumed much differently than it always has" - fruit is being juiced and blended into smoothies which in turn can contribute to major health issues such as NAFLD and not to mention fruit has been genetically modified to contain more naturally occurring sugars than ever before - just an example: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/02/06/infographic-5-popular-foods-genetically-modified-humans-gmos/
However when the general population talks about sugar and the effects it has on their n:1 uncontrollable situations it's about foods high in sugar generally and examples are things like desserts, cookies, soft drinks/sports drinks/chocolate milk, breakfast cereals and many other examples. - My sister was dieting and decided drinking fruit smoothies was a great idea. She had her A1C tested prior to her diet and was fine, but a year into her new way of eating she was diagnosed with elevated A1C and Prediabetes. She quickly removed the smoothies since that was her only indulgence and her A1C normalized again.
Also when I said people eat fruit, I was referring to whole fruit, where consumption hasn't changed much in 40 years. Juicing fruits is for all intents and purpose falls into the same category, as far as I'm concerned, as soft drinks and yeah, not a good idea when consumed in tandem with a diet high in refined carbs and other ultra processed foods .Cheers.
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I usually crochet or work on a project of some kind.when I feel like binge eating. Especially when it's too cold or wet to go outside and walk. I also play praise and worship song and dance and praise God. Day 3 no sweets or dessert. It was tempting at church to eat cake but I stay strong.6
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PrettyAlaskan wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »PrettyAlaskan wrote: »
I thought it was obvious from context - but, sure, if it helps I will break quotes down to separate parts in future.
Yes you can post 'whatever nonsense you feel inclined to' - others can then point out it is incorrect.
Posting extreme statements like 'sugar is the devil' is likely to elicit such responses.
I dont dispute, and I doubt anyone would, that some foods have a higher GI than others and that higher GI equates to rapidly digested and less satiating.
But that isnt "Sugar literally makes our bodies incapable of sensing satiety."
Plenty of foods with sugar in them can have low GI (GI refers to the entire food, not one ingredient) and what is satiating is individual.
Like I said before.
"Yes you can post 'whatever nonsense you feel inclined to' - others can then point out it is incorrect." - it's not 'incorrect' for everyone, so people can point out what they please - some people such as myself have an issue with sugar and it completely removes the feeling of satiety when consumed
"Posting extreme statements like 'sugar is the devil' is likely to elicit such responses." - for me (and for some people that struggle with metabolic disorder) sugar is the devil - sometimes extreme measures are needed to remediate extreme life-altering/crippling diseases (ie. diabetes, autoimmune issues, and etc)
"Plenty of foods with sugar in them can have low GI (GI refers to the entire food, not one ingredient) and what is satiating is individual." - perhaps I should have been more specific, I see table sugar, sugar alcohol, and junk food as drugs. I still treat myself with fruits and some vegetables, but I view all carbs as a treat. Overeating fruit is possible and can cause weight gain in some individuals and can also act as a "gateway drug" for people with addictive personalities. So I tread carefully when consuming any carbs.
What I pointed out was that your statement of our bodies was not the universal application you posted it as.
Sugar is not a drug - it is an ingredient in food.
There are foods of higher calories/ lower nutrition - they are not drugs either.
If you want to limit sugar,/ not eat sugary treats/ avoid processed foods - no problem.
But making assertions as if they are applicable to everyone - yes they will be corrected.7 -
Yes, lets not have a personal story/struggle get in way of being factually correct, lol. Cheers3
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@PrettyAlaskan ~ followup comment on all the books - all of them have 'eating ideas/suggestions' ~ i snagged some, set aside some for later, thought no way ever for some of them, lol - what I found most helpful were the kernels of truth/understanding for my own squirrely behaviors/circumstances - for example the book Food Junkies - i waded through all the various kinds/explained and related to 1 - which i had not previously seen before...
and also 'recovery recommendations' same kind of thing - many resources push 12step programs which don't ring my bell - the book had 1 paragraph, i think, on something called 'rational recovery' and I thought - yes, that could be my cup of tea... I lean towards 'cbt' type life/coping skills and look forward - towards positive change... don't find beating ourselves up as helpful at all... we can and people do find a way through - but it is an active choice to address these things and to take steps to get better.
and, for me, that has meant pondering how I respond to sugar, carbs, processed foods - any? all? or some threshold? For me, there seems to be a 'threshold' - if I eat too many, appetite roars. If I reduce, I get physical withdrawal symptoms and fortunately, appetite resets/reduces. physically. so for me, the impact on my body from EXCESS sugar/carbs-combo with salts & fats (aka hyper-palatable foods as defined by Kessler in the 'end of overeating') is a real appetite trigger - that points the way forward.2 -
I was busy yesterday and didn't check in I am now 5 days with out desserts and just food. I've let all my family know that I'm trying not to eat dessert.2
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PrettyAlaskan wrote: »3/17/2023 - 235 - I’m weighing myself and checking in so that I can be accountable.
@PrettyAlaskan way to go.. the first step I believe is taking control and changing something one is not happy with.PrettyAlaskan wrote: »Sugar is killing me and I’m forfeiting my destiny by giving in to the seduction of it. …..(snip) ….face looking puffy and aged, and lack of male attention, which makes me feel lonely and sad.
I feel this, I wasted too many years fat. I kept going and wasn’t a hermit.. but I never let people take my photo, I had to buy clothes that hid bumps and blahs. Losing the weight was one of the best gifts I could have given myself. Unfortunately it was an endless cycle of not having mental or physical energy until I decided the extra work was worth it. For me - I had to embrace the challenge.
You mentioned face .. I immediately thought of a mantra I like for maintaining skin’s vitality is to remember the S’s.
(My dermatologist always highlights that nutritional choices go a long way in preserving skins youthfulness..)
Sunscreen is sexy
Sugar in excess is not
Sobriety saves
Smoking sucks
Snacks should nourish
Self Care 7 days a week
I’m working on self care here. 😉PrettyAlaskan wrote: »My destiny is to be a professional photographer and graphic designer for TCC. I will look the part. People will not only notice me, but they will respect me and follow my vision. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Amen!
I begin again.
I am surrounded everyday by artists, Photographers included… being in Alaska you definitely have the beauty of the landscapes! Carpe Diem!
PS- What is TCC?
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Proverbs 25:28 If we have no rules we will be broken down and will not reach out goals.2
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