Flu Shots? thoughts
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Do you even know how this conversation started? They were talking about people should get the flu shot because of immunocompromised people.
For them to avoid crowded areas and using caution with contact is the most basic of teaching of people who are immunossed status. If they go to the gym depending on tgeir degree they have to wear full gloves. It will vary to the degree but people who are in nadir stage of chemo have an extremely low wbc.People who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
This is quite ignorant. What about people with autoimmune diseases who are taking immuno-suppressants? They may not be severely immuno-compromised, but still at risk. Many are active people who work, go to the gym, etc. There are also people who have had transplants, are doing very well and living normal lives, but must take immuno-suppressive medications to help prevent rejection. I could go on...
eta: apologies to lithezebra. I posted before I saw that you had already addressed this (quite well, too). :flowerforyou:
You are 100% incorrect. There are varying degrees of immuno-suppression and there are LOTS of illnesses that are treated with immunosuppresive medications These patients are NOT advised to stay out of contact with people. Not everyone taking "chemo" has cancer or is severely immunosuppressed. Not everyone who is immunocompromised has "extremely" low wbc. You are really digging a big hole here because it is clear you are ignorant of a huge range of treatments for various illnesses that involve some degree of immunosupression, and not all require the kind of risk management you are describing.
Yes, I know. There are many immunocompromised people walking around and it helps them when others are vaccinated. Many people are on medication to DELIBERATELY suppress their immune systems because they have autoimmune diseases or have had organ transplants. Many of these people are only slightly immunocompromised, so they are NOT advised by their doctors to avoid people, or quit their jobs, or wear gloves at the gym, etc. However, they are at higher risk when it comes to communicable illnesses. It is helpful to these people if others are vaccinated against various illnesses. There are varying degrees of immunosuppresion and not all of these people are advised by their doctors to avoid public places (as YOU stated repeatedly).
but we werent talking about people that are slightly immunocompromised. We are talking about people that if they got the flu it could cause some serious problems
YOU made the general statement that immunocompromised people are advised by their doctors to avoid public places. This is not a generally true statement. Some of us are trying to point that out to you. In addition, even slightly or moderately immunocompromised people can end up with serious problems from the flu. In fact, people who have chronic (or even temporary) illnesses can have serious problems from any additional illness.0 -
I read a book on how the flu vaccine was developed and the Spanish flu. Ever since I've gotten one recently.
Spanish flu wiped out almost 1/3 of the world's population (the counts are entirely accurate, but a LOT of people died), and it strangely targeted only the "healthy" people that never get sick. The young and elderly were dying in far fewer numbers, even though they had weaker immune systems. I'd rather get a shot than succumb to a pandemic (rare, but could happen) because I'm relatively "healthy".0 -
I get them every year now. I got the flu about 10 years ago and it was the sickest I've ever been. I used to think flu was just a really bad cold, but after going through it, I don't ever want to deal with that again. I was only 30 and was very healthy and fit and I still almost ended up in the hospital because it developed into pneumonia.
My son has virus-activated asthma and flu could be really bad for him, so he gets flu shots every year too.0 -
I read a book on how the flu vaccine was developed and the Spanish flu. Ever since I've gotten one recently.
Spanish flu wiped out almost 1/3 of the world's population (the counts are entirely accurate, but a LOT of people died), and it strangely targeted only the "healthy" people that never get sick. The young and elderly were dying in far fewer numbers, even though they had weaker immune systems. I'd rather get a shot than succumb to a pandemic (rare, but could happen) because I'm relatively "healthy".
Yes, the mortality for infants and the elderly was around 30% while it was greater than 50% for those between 18-40. It killed those with normal, healthy immune systems in greater numbers because their immune systems' response was so strong that it damaged their bodies to the point where survival was impossible.0 -
May daughter and I get one every year, and we have never gotten the flu. I don't have any shot hang up's or vaccination fears, so I say better safe than sorry.0
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I do not get them nor does my family. I had them once a year in the Army and I got sick every year. I think they are a gimmick for the pharmaceutical companies for profits.0
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We get them. We live in a tourist resort, so we are exposed to germs from all over the world. Knock wood, they seem to work - have not had the flu in many years!0
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I completely agree with some of the other posters who say they disagree with the flu shot in general. I think it is utter nonsense how everyone has bought into this lie that we can't control whether we get sick or not through our food and lifestyle. If you are eating a truly nutrient dense diet you should not need the flu shot, and if you do happen to get sick once every so often, it serves to only strengthen your body. I would rather get the flu every 10 years or so and never even so much as get a cold in between then have to run and get a shot every single year because I am not healthy enough to keep from getting sick.0
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We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Obstruction due to asthma does not mean you immune system is hindered
Thanks for not being educated
You don't think having inflamed airways from asthma would make it more difficult for the body to deal with an infection like a cold or flu? Really? I could imagine it certainly might. Any inflammation is tough on the body, and certainly may impair one's immune system. Menses and stress HAVE been established to impair immune response. Does this fit in with your view of ways the immune system can be impaired?
Also, immunocompromised people don't "catch" things more often (i.e. have a virus enter their system), their immune systems just have a harder time fighting the infections they do get. Having an immune system disorder (like an autoimmune disease or even allergy) can make the immune system less efficient at fighting harmful invaders such as a virus or bacteria, even without the addition of immunosupressive medication. If the immune system is busy attacking your kidneys, and a nasty virus enters your system, your immune system might not be as efficient at attacking that virus relative to someone with a normally functioning system (i.e. one that attacks harmful foreign bodies and not harmless allergens and/or own body tissue).0 -
I dont know. can you? I asked you first and you are justifying because you have it doesnt mean you know what you are talking about.
We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Thanks for not being educated
You don't have asthma.
I do.
I never mentioned anything about medication in this post.
Can you read?
If you get sick you will still have a normal immune response.
Immunocompromised- having an impaired immune system.
Immune system- a system (including the thymus and bone marrow and lymphoid tissues) that protects the body from foreign substances and pathogenic organisms by producing the immune response
So does your body have a normal immune response?
yes.
Bottom line you dont know about, and when you "put your foot down". you made yourself look completely wrong0 -
People who are immunocompromised have to worry about bacteria that normal people can ignore, just like their normal flora.
We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Obstruction due to asthma does not mean you immune system is hindered
Thanks for not being educated
You don't think having inflamed airways from asthma would make it more difficult for the body to deal with an infection like a cold or flu? Really? I could imagine it certainly might. Any inflammation is tough on the body, and certainly may impair one's immune system. Menses and stress HAVE been established to impair immune response. Does this fit in with your view of ways the immune system can be impaired?
Also, immunocompromised people don't "catch" things more often (i.e. have a virus enter their system), their immune systems just have a harder time fighting the infections they do get. Having an immune system disorder (like an autoimmune disease or even allergy) can make the immune system less efficient at fighting harmful invaders such as a virus or bacteria, even without the addition of immunosupressive medication. If the immune system is busy attacking your kidneys, and a nasty virus enters your system, your immune system might not be as efficient at attacking that virus relative to someone with a normally functioning system (i.e. one that attacks harmful foreign bodies and not harmless allergens and/or own body tissue).
But as I said, It was already established at the beginning of the thread that if you have to worry about fighting off of an infection such as the flu due to an impaired immune system, you shouldnt be running around normal people.0 -
People who are immunocompromised have to worry about bacteria that normal people can ignore, just like their normal flora.
We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Obstruction due to asthma does not mean you immune system is hindered
Thanks for not being educated
You don't think having inflamed airways from asthma would make it more difficult for the body to deal with an infection like a cold or flu? Really? I could imagine it certainly might. Any inflammation is tough on the body, and certainly may impair one's immune system. Menses and stress HAVE been established to impair immune response. Does this fit in with your view of ways the immune system can be impaired?
Also, immunocompromised people don't "catch" things more often (i.e. have a virus enter their system), their immune systems just have a harder time fighting the infections they do get. Having an immune system disorder (like an autoimmune disease or even allergy) can make the immune system less efficient at fighting harmful invaders such as a virus or bacteria, even without the addition of immunosupressive medication. If the immune system is busy attacking your kidneys, and a nasty virus enters your system, your immune system might not be as efficient at attacking that virus relative to someone with a normally functioning system (i.e. one that attacks harmful foreign bodies and not harmless allergens and/or own body tissue).
But as I said, It was already established at the beginning of the thread that if you have to worry about fighting off of an infection such as the flu due to an impaired immune system, you shouldnt be running around normal people.
Your statement is too broad. The immune system is more complex than that. It depends on the specific nature of the immunodeficiency. If it is broad scale, like a general depletion of white blood cells, the person would be more susceptible to any type of infection. If it is small scale, such as interfering with a specific TLR pathway, the immunocompromised person might only be more susceptible to certain specific viruses, and react normally to bacteria and other types of viruses. (A good example of a small scale immunodeficiency, is the increased infection rate and infection severity by H1N1, but not by rhinovirus or several other viruses in asthmatic children. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2012 Jun 15;185(12):1275-9. doi: 10.1164/rccm.201109-1635OC. Epub 2012 Feb 23.)
And by the way, think about everyone who has an impaired immune system compared to 'normal' for a minute. That's anyone under stress, so anyone overworked, not getting enough sleep, not getting complete nutrition, people under a caloric deficit, etc. Add in the very young, the over 50's, and anyone that has another active infection or is recovering from an illness or is on any kind of immunosuppressive drug. Ironically enough, it also includes anyone who's had a vaccine within a certain vaccine-specific window of time. Plus others.
Kind of a lot of people. Your argument's really only valid if the person has a broad scale and severe immunodeficiency - and those people are advised to stay away from crowds, wear a mask if they need to go out, etc.0 -
I never use to get the flu shot untill I started to work in a hospital. I use to think you would get the flu from the shot (not true at all). I get mine every year now and even when I am no longer working here at the hospital, I still will get the flu shot. It isn't worth losing your life over out of fear that really shouldn't be there. (Only fear would be if your allergic to eggs, then you shouldn't get the normal flu shot)0
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People who are immunocompromised have to worry about bacteria that normal people can ignore, just like their normal flora.
We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Obstruction due to asthma does not mean you immune system is hindered
Thanks for not being educated
You don't think having inflamed airways from asthma would make it more difficult for the body to deal with an infection like a cold or flu? Really? I could imagine it certainly might. Any inflammation is tough on the body, and certainly may impair one's immune system. Menses and stress HAVE been established to impair immune response. Does this fit in with your view of ways the immune system can be impaired?
Also, immunocompromised people don't "catch" things more often (i.e. have a virus enter their system), their immune systems just have a harder time fighting the infections they do get. Having an immune system disorder (like an autoimmune disease or even allergy) can make the immune system less efficient at fighting harmful invaders such as a virus or bacteria, even without the addition of immunosupressive medication. If the immune system is busy attacking your kidneys, and a nasty virus enters your system, your immune system might not be as efficient at attacking that virus relative to someone with a normally functioning system (i.e. one that attacks harmful foreign bodies and not harmless allergens and/or own body tissue).
But as I said, It was already established at the beginning of the thread that if you have to worry about fighting off of an infection such as the flu due to an impaired immune system, you shouldnt be running around normal people.
Your statement is too broad. The immune system is more complex than that. It depends on the specific nature of the immunodeficiency. If it is broad scale, like a general depletion of white blood cells, the person would be more susceptible to any type of infection. If it is small scale, such as interfering with a specific TLR pathway, the immunocompromised person might only be more susceptible to certain specific viruses, and react normally to bacteria and other types of viruses. (A good example of a small scale immunodeficiency, is the increased infection rate and infection severity by H1N1, but not by rhinovirus or several other viruses in asthmatic children. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2012 Jun 15;185(12):1275-9. doi: 10.1164/rccm.201109-1635OC. Epub 2012 Feb 23.)
And by the way, think about everyone who has an impaired immune system compared to 'normal' for a minute. That's anyone under stress, so anyone overworked, not getting enough sleep, not getting complete nutrition, people under a caloric deficit, etc. Add in the very young, the over 50's, and anyone that has another active infection or is recovering from an illness or is on any kind of immunosuppressive drug. Ironically enough, it also includes anyone who's had a vaccine within a certain vaccine-specific window of time. Plus others.
Kind of a lot of people. Your argument's really only valid if the person has a broad scale and severe immunodeficiency - and those people are advised to stay away from crowds, wear a mask if they need to go out, etc.
we are specifically talking about people who are immunodeficient TO A HIGHER DEGREE that would have to worry about getting the flu. IF YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING THE FLU BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE, YOU SHOULD NOT ENTER CROWDED AREAS0 -
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
Isn't this a little ridiculous? There's no argument medically over whether asthma compromises the immune system. Head over to PubMed, do a search for vaccine studies with immunocompromised subjects, as an easy example. Look and see how many use asthmatics as their study groups. What difference does it make whether she knows the specific pathophysiology?
Oh, and BTW, don't forget that many asthmatics are on a regular course of steroids. I assume you aren't going to argue that steroids have a suppressive effect on the immune system?
She told me to look up asthma attacks in reference to the person becoming immunosuppressed which makes no sense. Told me to get educated afterwards. So why do you think I am asking for the relation of asthma and impairing your immune system?
I asked about how asthma impairs your immune system
"Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son."0 -
I've had it a few times. I could give or take, tbh. I don't seem to get any sicker if I get one than if I don't. However, my father had his first flu shot a few years ago, and ended up with a paralyzed larynx and is now a case study....
I do support getting it though because the side effects are generally pretty minimal and I'm very pro-vaccination/immunization having worked in Pediatrics for so long.0 -
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
Isn't this a little ridiculous? There's no argument medically over whether asthma compromises the immune system. Head over to PubMed, do a search for vaccine studies with immunocompromised subjects, as an easy example. Look and see how many use asthmatics as their study groups. What difference does it make whether she knows the specific pathophysiology?
Oh, and BTW, don't forget that many asthmatics are on a regular course of steroids. I assume you aren't going to argue that steroids have a suppressive effect on the immune system?
She told me to look up asthma attacks in reference to the person becoming immunosuppressed which makes no sense. Told me to get educated afterwards. So why do you think I am asking for the relation of asthma and impairing your immune system?
I asked about how asthma impairs your immune system
"Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son."
I know that you are a nursing student and are in the process of learning a wealth of information. As a fellow nurse, I really hope that you understand that most patients you will come in contact with will not have the education or even the faculties to understand complex medical diagnoses, symptoms and treatments. I really hope that during your clinicals you learn that a little kindness and compassion goes a long way towards helping someone in need.
A good nurse knows what he/she is doing and is confident, but a great nurse is compassionate, kind and has empathy for their patients. Good luck in your education.0 -
People who are immunocompromised have to worry about bacteria that normal people can ignore, just like their normal flora.
We are not talking about medication. We are talking about asthma itself and you said asthma attacks.
no, but I asked you the question first on the pathophysiology of asthma lowering your capabilities of fighting off of an infection
So other than the inflamation causing bronchoconstriction, and closing your airway. Please tell me how it makes you more susceptible to infection.
You are saying your asthma is compromising your immune system? Ok lolPeople who are immunocompromised shouldnt be running around with normal people in the first place. It is one of the precautions medical professionals tell them.
Because people who are immunocompromised don't have bills to pay, especially medical bills.
If they are immunocompromised, the flu is really the least of their worries.
They are not supposed to be around normal people in crowded areas or be in too much contact, bottom line. You dont see chemo patients running around
Really? I will be sure to call work and tell them I can no longer come in because I am not "normal" and should not be around the general population. I have asthma, compromises my immune system. Funny though, my Dr. seems to think I should live a normal life. BTW my wife has a severely compromised immune system. I got the flu shot as did she but still ended up with her hospitalized because someone at work got the flu and I ended up taking shed virus home to her on my clothing.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you EVER had an asthma attack?!? I'm sorry but this is where I put my foot down.
Get educated before you start making comments like that son.
I will be waiting on you to explain the pathophysiology of how it affects your immune response since you are educated
First off do you have asthma?
Answer my question and I'll humor yours.
OK. So here we go.
There are many stimuli out there that can cause an asthma attack as you probably already know. Asthma being a chronic inflammatory disease, can be triggered by influenza symptoms. Influenza is a respiratory illness. Don't get it confused with gastrointestinal things. That's something else altogether. Being that influenza is respiratory it can trigger a series of bronchospasms which can turn into a massive asthma attack and can hospitalize the person. Pneumonia can also develop from influenza in a person suffering from asthma. Believe me, it has happened to me.
Considering everywhere I go and everyone I talk to says asthmatics, regardless of age, need the flu vaccine, yes...it is kind of important for asthmatics as IMMUNOCOMPROMISED to get vaccinated. We just don't have the capabilities of fighting this stuff off as someone who has "perfect health" would.
Hope this helps.
Nothing in your babbling talk about how asthma attacks lower your capabilities of fighting an infection.
Obstruction due to asthma does not mean you immune system is hindered
Thanks for not being educated
You don't think having inflamed airways from asthma would make it more difficult for the body to deal with an infection like a cold or flu? Really? I could imagine it certainly might. Any inflammation is tough on the body, and certainly may impair one's immune system. Menses and stress HAVE been established to impair immune response. Does this fit in with your view of ways the immune system can be impaired?
Also, immunocompromised people don't "catch" things more often (i.e. have a virus enter their system), their immune systems just have a harder time fighting the infections they do get. Having an immune system disorder (like an autoimmune disease or even allergy) can make the immune system less efficient at fighting harmful invaders such as a virus or bacteria, even without the addition of immunosupressive medication. If the immune system is busy attacking your kidneys, and a nasty virus enters your system, your immune system might not be as efficient at attacking that virus relative to someone with a normally functioning system (i.e. one that attacks harmful foreign bodies and not harmless allergens and/or own body tissue).
But as I said, It was already established at the beginning of the thread that if you have to worry about fighting off of an infection such as the flu due to an impaired immune system, you shouldnt be running around normal people.
Your statement is too broad. The immune system is more complex than that. It depends on the specific nature of the immunodeficiency. If it is broad scale, like a general depletion of white blood cells, the person would be more susceptible to any type of infection. If it is small scale, such as interfering with a specific TLR pathway, the immunocompromised person might only be more susceptible to certain specific viruses, and react normally to bacteria and other types of viruses. (A good example of a small scale immunodeficiency, is the increased infection rate and infection severity by H1N1, but not by rhinovirus or several other viruses in asthmatic children. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2012 Jun 15;185(12):1275-9. doi: 10.1164/rccm.201109-1635OC. Epub 2012 Feb 23.)
And by the way, think about everyone who has an impaired immune system compared to 'normal' for a minute. That's anyone under stress, so anyone overworked, not getting enough sleep, not getting complete nutrition, people under a caloric deficit, etc. Add in the very young, the over 50's, and anyone that has another active infection or is recovering from an illness or is on any kind of immunosuppressive drug. Ironically enough, it also includes anyone who's had a vaccine within a certain vaccine-specific window of time. Plus others.
Kind of a lot of people. Your argument's really only valid if the person has a broad scale and severe immunodeficiency - and those people are advised to stay away from crowds, wear a mask if they need to go out, etc.
we are specifically talking about people who are immunodeficient TO A HIGHER DEGREE that would have to worry about getting the flu. IF YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING THE FLU BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE, YOU SHOULD NOT ENTER CROWDED AREAS
Your claims are too general and, due to that generality, are not correct. Overly general statements are funny that way. Even "flu" is quite general and some strains could be very serious even to "normal" people. In your education, I suggest you learn to think a bit more critically and use caution when making very broad statements. Did you see the citation above of the paper discussing the increased infection AND severity rate of a FLU in children with ASTHMA? Or did you just choose to ignore that? It is about people with ASTHMA being at increased risk from FLU.
I hope you are more open to learning in your coursework/program than you are here. This reply suggests you did not even read the excellent (and obviously knowledgeable) response above.
You are correct about one thing. People with extreme immunodeficiency are advised to avoid crowds and take certain extreme precautions, but that does NOT imply that anyone at an elevated risk from flu must be severely immunocompromised.0 -
I get a flu shot each year, but I have to. I have an auto-immune disease and I'm in kidney failure (which was caused by the auto-immune disease.)0
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I always get my shots as does my husband. Have done so for the last 10 years or so...? I have never gotten the flu after a shot...sore arm yes...but no flu. Neither has hubby.0
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