Struggling to meet my 1200 calorie goal :(

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  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    But I will say this.

    I stand by my earlier point.
    For those who are overweight, and trying to lose.

    Trying going with proper whole foods for a while and get away from processed fast foods.

    jonnythan, you are a fairly skinny dude, and have your diet under control.....so you are in a position where you can eat the foods you want....and still stay within your targets.

    I think people who are having weight problems, would find that aspect hard to do......because food is tempting.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    No, because Cheetos and "plants&proteins" have different nutrient content.

    A 1/4 lb beef patty from McD's is going to be nutritionally the same as a 1/4 beef patty from [insert organic "clean" source here].
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    jonnythan, you are a fairly skinny dude, and have your diet under control.....so you are in a position where you can eat the foods you want....and still stay within your targets.

    I think people who are having weight problems, would find that aspect hard to do......because food is tempting.

    Uh dude. Do you see my ticker? I wasn't born thin.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    :laugh:

    Didn't even notice it. Honestly.

    Congrats.

    Well I was born thin. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    The nutrition nazis just wont stop.

    Do you guys have other stuff to do, or what? Maybe go talk to some real people? Maybe badger your moms about real nutrition?

    Hey, I know let's talk about cleanses.

    Then, after you solve the problem there and set EVERYONE here straight, maybe after that, we can tackle the carb issue. Then, you will have solved 3 very large problems. People not understanding nutrition, people not understanding how the body works, and people not understanding carbs. At least then you will have narrowed it down and only have to tackle a few more things, like cardio and, I don't know, bulky women lifting heavy.

    Geesus. It more than annoying. Make a point and then get out.

    This is a section of the forum...about nutrition. You are complaining about people discussing nutrition. :huh:
  • sobriquet84
    sobriquet84 Posts: 607 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.

    lol, he specifically said that there is no such thing as "healthy food". my example was a perfectly acceptable and appropriate rebuttal.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    @whierd
    Its what he does.
    He is an artist. :wink:
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.

    lol, he specifically said that there is no such thing as "healthy food". my example was a perfectly acceptable and appropriate rebuttal.

    Actually he never said that, he said there are no 'good' and 'bad' foods. Which is true. No one food is better than any other food; eating all of one thing isn't better than eating all of another. You need balance.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.

    lol, he specifically said that there is no such thing as "healthy food". my example was a perfectly acceptable and appropriate rebuttal.

    There is no such thing as an inherently healthy food.

    Think about this for a minute: you'll live a good deal longer eating nothing but pizza than eating nothing but broccoli.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.

    lol, he specifically said that there is no such thing as "healthy food". my example was a perfectly acceptable and appropriate rebuttal.

    My face every time I see posts like this (or posts from this author)

    5a4.gif

    Eventually people are going to start asking questions about the state of my office.
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    But I will say this.

    I stand by my earlier point.
    For those who are overweight, and trying to lose.

    Trying going with proper whole foods for a while and get away from processed fast foods.

    jonnythan, you are a fairly skinny dude, and have your diet under control.....so you are in a position where you can eat the foods you want....and still stay within your targets.

    I think people who are having weight problems, would find that aspect hard to do......because food is tempting.

    I disagree with you. I believe that people with weight problems need to understand that a soda, burger, pizza, or cookies wont kill them. They are the most at risk of binging and giving up because they believe they have ruined their progress because they ate a burger and some chips and see a 2lb weight gain the next day and attribute it to junk food instead of sodium.

    Plus I feel that the key to long term weight and fitness management is to break the emotional connection and fear of food.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Fair enough.
  • RECowgill
    RECowgill Posts: 881 Member
    Well this thread completely fell apart. Poor OP confused by bickering over philosophies and half truths. Meanwhile she is eating way less than a human should be eating. You guys are champs, keep up the stellar work. :flowerforyou:
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    There is no such thing as "healthy" food. Food is food. There are more calorie dense foods, such as cheese cake. But, cheesecake is not bad food. Get the good food/bad food demon out of your head.

    WOAH. i can't believe this actually just came out of someone's mouth.

    Which part do you not believe?

    so 1200 calories in Cheetos and Oreos is just as healthy as 1200 calories of plants&proteins?

    Why must we always go to extremes to prove points?

    Eating 1200 calories in Cheetos is no more or less healthy than eating 1200 calories of lettuce. Both will lack in essential nutrients. If you want to compare 'junk' good to 'good' food we must compare on an item to item basis, not a 'these two specific food vs two whole wide and varied groups of goods'.

    lol, he specifically said that there is no such thing as "healthy food". my example was a perfectly acceptable and appropriate rebuttal.

    Once my nutritional demands are met, my body doesnt care if I consume oreos or plants.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    There is no such thing as an inherently healthy food.

    Think about this for a minute: you'll live a good deal longer eating nothing but pizza than eating nothing but broccoli.

    Now when I see this.....
    I understand better where you are coming from, after having discussed things.

    But then I just think to myself....
    But what serves my goals better in the end?

    I personally only do weight lifting.
    So I know for me, that my goals will be better attained, if I do not eat things like pizza, doughnuts, Cinnamon toast crunch cereal, etc....all the time.

    Now yes, I can eat those things, and stay below my desired calorie target.....but I don't think I will achieve the goals I have.

    Because I am not giving my body the best nutrients I could......
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    Well this thread completely fell apart. Poor OP confused by bickering over philosophies and half truths. Meanwhile she is eating way less than a human should be eating. You guys are champs, keep up the stellar work. :flowerforyou:

    And thank you for this amazing contribution!!
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    There is no such thing as an inherently healthy food.

    Think about this for a minute: you'll live a good deal longer eating nothing but pizza than eating nothing but broccoli.

    Now when I see this.....
    I understand better where you are coming from, after having discussed things.

    But then I just think to myself....
    But what serves my goals better in the end?

    I personally only do weight lifting.
    So I know for me, that my goals will be better attained, if I do not eat things like pizza, doughnuts, Cinnamon toast crunch cereal, etc....all the time.

    Now yes, I can eat those things, and stay below my desired calorie target.....but I don't think I will achieve the goals I have.

    Because I am not giving my body the best nutrients I could......

    Ultimately, it comes down to sustainability. If you have found this sustainable for yourself, then you are golden.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
    Well this thread completely fell apart. Poor OP confused by bickering over philosophies and half truths. Meanwhile she is eating way less than a human should be eating. You guys are champs, keep up the stellar work. :flowerforyou:

    And thank you for this amazing contribution!!

    Just thinking the same thing, myself. Thanks for the extra dose of sass today, whierd. :wink:
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member

    Ultimately, it comes down to sustainability. If you have found this sustainable for yourself, then you are golden.

    +1
  • ItsCasey
    ItsCasey Posts: 4,021 Member
    jonnythan, you are a fairly skinny dude, and have your diet under control.....so you are in a position where you can eat the foods you want....and still stay within your targets.

    WTF does that even mean? A fat person can eat EXACTLY the same foods Jon eats (in higher quantities even, since a fat person would still be in a deficit at a higher intake) and still lose weight.

    Are you trying to suggest that fat people have control issues and can't stop while they're still in a deficit? Because that's a psychological issue, not a food issue.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    So I know for me, that my goals will be better attained, if I do not eat things like pizza, doughnuts, Cinnamon toast crunch cereal, etc....all the time.

    Now yes, I can eat those things, and stay below my desired calorie target.....but I don't think I will achieve the goals I have.

    Because I am not giving my body the best nutrients I could......

    You're wrong, and your entire food philosophy is based on intellectually bankrupt, incorrect assumptions.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member

    WTF does that even mean? A fat person can eat EXACTLY the same foods Jon eats (in higher quantities even, since a fat person would still be in a deficit at a higher intake) and still lose weight.

    Are you trying to suggest that fat people have control issues and can't stop while they're still in a deficit? Because that's a psychological issue, not a food issue.

    No
    I think the point I was trying to make was that he has been able to find the targets that work for him and allow him to eat the foods he does, and still stay where he likes.
    On top of that, I didn't know he had lost over 63 pounds initially until he pointed out his ticker.

    Calm down....not trying to insult anyone.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    So I know for me, that my goals will be better attained, if I do not eat things like pizza, doughnuts, Cinnamon toast crunch cereal, etc....all the time.

    Now yes, I can eat those things, and stay below my desired calorie target.....but I don't think I will achieve the goals I have.

    Because I am not giving my body the best nutrients I could......

    You're wrong, and your entire food philosophy is based on intellectually bankrupt, incorrect assumptions.

    Ok, how so?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    So I know for me, that my goals will be better attained, if I do not eat things like pizza, doughnuts, Cinnamon toast crunch cereal, etc....all the time.

    Now yes, I can eat those things, and stay below my desired calorie target.....but I don't think I will achieve the goals I have.

    Because I am not giving my body the best nutrients I could......

    You're wrong, and your entire food philosophy is based on intellectually bankrupt, incorrect assumptions.

    Ok, how so?

    You say you don't think you will achieve the goals if you have if you eat cereal, pizza, and donuts even if you stay within nutrient targets.

    That's incorrect.
  • sobriquet84
    sobriquet84 Posts: 607 Member

    There is no single food that is more healthy than any other single food. Filling your day with only One Singular 'Healthy' Food is no better than filling your day with only one 'Unhealthy' food.

    uhm. okay.

    i would really like to know what your definition of healthy is then.

    filling your day with one singular "healthy" item that has a variety of macronutrients and micronutrients is most certainly healthier than filling your day with one singular "unhealthy" item that, say, is only made of fat and sugar and has no micronutrients (but sure as hell has a whole lot of other crap.)

    i'm really curious as to what your logic here is.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    No.
    I said eating it on a daily basis.

    I have eaten those things....and I do from time to time....
    I just don't do it on a daily basis.
  • jollyjoe321
    jollyjoe321 Posts: 529 Member
    IIFYM
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    There is no single food that is more healthy than any other single food. Filling your day with only One Singular 'Healthy' Food is no better than filling your day with only one 'Unhealthy' food.

    uhm. okay.

    i would really like to know what your definition of healthy is then.

    filling your day with one singular "healthy" item that has a variety of macronutrients and micronutrients is most certainly healthier than filling your day with one singular "unhealthy" item that, say, is only made of fat and sugar and has no micronutrients (but sure as hell has a whole lot of other crap.)

    i'm really curious as to what your logic here is.

    No individual food is healthy or unhealthy.

    A DIET, in its entirety, is healthy or unhealthy. It is healthy if it contains a proper amount of energy and sufficient quantities of nutrients.
  • RECowgill
    RECowgill Posts: 881 Member
    Well this thread completely fell apart. Poor OP confused by bickering over philosophies and half truths. Meanwhile she is eating way less than a human should be eating. You guys are champs, keep up the stellar work. :flowerforyou:

    And thank you for this amazing contribution!!

    Just thinking the same thing, myself. Thanks for the extra dose of sass today, whierd. :wink:

    Actually I always appreciate whierd. Keep on truckin! :drinker:

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