Do young adults in the UK not want to work?
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With all due respect, OP, have you considered that's in not "work in general" that they are rejecting, but simply THIS JOB that you are trying to fill? Perhaps your disgust and revulsion with their generation was apparent to them in your tone when you were communicating with them to set up the interviews? Perhaps your demeanor was oppressive enough to them to change their mind about wanting to come and be a part of that environment for any cost?
I'm really not trying to insult you, and I apologize if you take offense. But a lot of times people with jobs to offer put across the idea that they are doing the worker a huge favor by ALLOWING them to come and work for **** wages in a job they hate for someone who doesn't understand how to treat subordinates with care and respect. Sometimes that attitude of "I'm doing you a favor merely by hiring you" comes across in the first exchange or two and prospective hires figure, "Why bother?" As if the wages and stress weren't hard enough, why add a boss who is demeaning and considers themselves a benefactor to the list of job stresses?
You can get a bunch more people to show up in full regalia if the wages and benefits are high enough to offset the BS potential, but if a person is facing low wages AND being treated poorly, they often won't feel like the situation is tenable.
The comments made on this string alone seem sort of innocuous if you were talking to a roomful of people who were none affected by your judgements, but when the same attitude is conveyed toward the subjects of your disdain, they might simply be exercising their freedom to choose a job working for someone who gives them the respect and dignity they deserve.
And sometimes, people's lives get in the way. You don't know how many of those people had problems that landed them in the hospital, or their phones got cut off or their boyfriend beat them up. You have no idea and no apparent interest in considering other factors. You might say, "But for so many? That's too much of a coincidence!" And I would agree with you.
There's obviously something more going on. And it's not just fate that so many would apply for a job and then not show up after the initial communication with the new boss. Maybe ... ?
^this
Really?
OMG? With all due respect, I do take offence at this load of BS.
Have you or the person you have quoted taken time to read through the posts I have made?
I do not want this topic to fall into being closed by the mods as I have read all the replies and take on board all the feedback.
When has it been suggested that the person would be treated poorly, with no respect or dignity?
Please tell me what is your ideal job, and what it would entail?0 -
You are beginning to annoy me with your thoughts here. You farm sheep to generate a surplus value! I bet the lambs feel exploited for your financial gain! What makes you any different form OP???
*puts hand up*
Is the answer that he's not exploiting his own species?
Once again you are missing the point in favour of sarcasm, as you have consistently done throughout this thread. Businesses have to generate a profit to grow and employ more people. Hiring people has to be carefully budgeted for. OP has already clearly demonstrated that she is not creaming of the profits and living it up in somewhere exotic. The package outlined above represents a serious opportunity for someone who wants it, with a significant investment from the company to make it happen. Anyone who is serious about getting a job should be able to see that, but if people won't even turn up for the interview they will never know.0 -
Are these the same youngsters who all the political parties (apart from The Socialist Workers Party...but they're a joke anyway) are getting increasingly worried are being turned out of school lacking the basic skills for employment?Sweetie, I not only got an education but I've been teaching young adults for the past 25 years.
I'm afraid so - well it is in the case of the kids I've been teaching for the last few years, anyway. I teach in behavioural units for young adults with emotional, behavioural and social disorders. Their job prospects are very, very poor. Before that special needs (poor job prospects esp.now council budgets cut). 'Difficult' schools in socially deprived areas... job prospects not great.
All the way up to 'good' schools in middle class areas, they were pretty safe at one time. Even these students are struggling now... everyone's got a degree and we're in a worldwide recession. If you throw a breadroll at the staff in McDonalds' you'll most likely hit a graduate.0 -
I'm a 20 year old university student
I've been applying for jobs for a year and keep getting the same thing back. "Sorry you do not have enough experience".
I apply for everything. Call centres, cleaning, care work, agency, supermarkets, cafes etc and have had nothing back. The closest I have been to a job was last week as a receptionist but the woman decided she wasn't leaving so there was no position available to me.
We are not ALL lazy. But I do understand your point.
I have never suggested that young adults are lazy..and I applaud you for keeping on looking for work.
As I have said before I have 2 sons and it took a lot of CV`s and applications before they got work..
Just keep trying and I am sure you will find a job that suits you x0 -
I'll come to work for you!
I've been working since I was 16, out on my own since I was 18, and in an office job by 19.
All credit to you Hannah x well done0 -
I'm a 20 year old university student
I've been applying for jobs for a year and keep getting the same thing back. "Sorry you do not have enough experience".
I apply for everything. Call centres, cleaning, care work, agency, supermarkets, cafes etc and have had nothing back. The closest I have been to a job was last week as a receptionist but the woman decided she wasn't leaving so there was no position available to me.
We are not ALL lazy. But I do understand your point.
Welcome to America. Ohio to be more specific.0 -
From the initialI actually had to make sure you weren't at the company I've been working at (I'm contracting on a different area to the vacancies.)
Very similar experiences from what I've seen.
They have quite a few positions open. It's not the best job in the world, but it does pay a bit over adult minimum wage (which to my mind allows pretty generous living all in, even more so when you consider extra benefits etc) and a good chunk over that 'OTE' Oh and working times are flexible and the part time roles would suit students and possibly parents etc (full time also offered), they can be flexible if people are working or learning on specific days.
Many don't turn up. Some late. Some turn up looking a bit scruffy.
They don't really think about the job they are doing or how they can be good at it before hand.
They don't try and impress.
This company stopped using the job centre for recruiting because there was an even higher number of time wasters.
When I broke both my leg and mashed my body up in a motorbike racing accident which saw my friends watching think me dead it was that bad, despite being given Ketamine and Morphine I managed to call up work and explain I wasn't going to be in the next day, despite only having some one piece motorbike leathers, boxers and a t-shirt.
It's not hard to get in contact if there's a problem. If there's the incredibly rare real genuine case you somehow can't contact the company despite your best plans (highly unlikely if they were good plans), contact as soon as possible.
Oddly enough, none of the people that didn't turn up did this.
On my broken leg - while the company was generous with sick pay (before that I'd taken 5 days in as many years I think), I was back to work on crutches. This didn't make it look so good for the new girl who had loads of time off for various reasons. She was then off with a sprained ankle, though was mobile enough while she was convalescing to go to the hairdressers during a weekday. Despite after being told at the end of her 3 month probation that she hadn't been in the office long to actually judge her, so it was extended... she took more time off for questionable reasons and didn't get another extension.
If anyone around the Gillingham area in Kent is looking for a job and is prepared to put a little effort in to following instructions, give me a shout and I'll pass your details on - they've got a total of ten positions to fill with a new department set up.
As for the comments about rich business owners...
I saw a good explanation.. .CEO and founder gets £250k.
How can he justify that when the people at the bottom are on minimum wage and may have as big families to feed?
He has 500 people employed by him in total. So each person basically has to 'earn' £10 per week for the CEO.
Is it really that bad a price for someone to earn the person that gave them and 499 other people the opportunity to take home.
If you can get a better job elsewhere - go for it.
If you can do better at making a business which employs people, pays them better and does as good a job - even better.
Otherwise, I'd say there's no good right to complain. (With some caveats - some working practices are pretty underhand, I won't deny.)
And, to carry on ranting - it'd be great to have a job that was enjoyable all the time. Some I've done aren't any of the time really and I've kept doing them - why? Because they pay me money, which lets me do other things I like.
There's no excuse for anyone in the UK to not have the basics covered thanks to a pretty generous benefits system.
Unfortunately people feel they're entitled to a lot for doing very little.
Today I work up early at about 8, - about an hour's work before going in, then worked 9:45-8 with maybe 40 mins lunch break (which they needed the space to do interviews - today was the absolute best day I've seen, with only once cancellation and that was called ahead - average is about 50% not contacting at all, despite a reasonable length phone interview before. If nothing else, it's silly to burn bridges - that business owner might be friends with another business owner who you're applying for a job that you'd really like to do.
I'm going to carry on finishing stuff off in a minute - why? To start with, I get paid hourly and money is useful to me.
For many people benefits ARE a lifestyle choice.
If you haven't met these people - lucky for you!0 -
I havent read through all this thread but I would give my back teeth for a job right now! If I cant make an interview I always let them know and have had it rearranged in the past there is no excuse for bad manners.
"If a young person wants a job and to get off a life of benefits there are advisers at job centres where they go to look for jobs. They can go on courses to help with CV`s and form filling. They can get help with practice interviews. "
The original poster said this: ^^^^
I have been on benefits for nearly 3 years (although 18 months of that I was on sick benefit unable to worK). My jobcentre is as much use as a chocolate teapot. As I have a degree, a diploma, and experience in customer service and computer skills I am not deemed the right candidate for any free courses, or help in further training.They helped me with my CV after 2 years on their case, and have never once helped me get an interview or help me with interview skills. All interviews I have got are through my own applications through my own internet searching, all jobs I have found through their new 'universal job match' and applied for never got a response from. Its disheartening and I hate being on benefits but we all get tarred with same brush esp with all these benefit programmes on about cheats and lazy people. Not all benefit claimers are the same, I apply every day for jobs and still getting nowhere.
Its hard so in reference to the original post I would gladly have turned up for interview, early and dressed to impress.
I feel so bad for people such as yourself that are let down by the same system that is supposed to help people into work. Keep at it, somewhere there is a job with your name on it.
My youngest son he is 26, has just started in a good job, he sent the same CV out to 100`s of places..it only takes that one person to ask you for an interview and take you on x0 -
I used to work in HR. My first question is how are you advertizing the job? I don't mean just where you placed the ads but what you are doing to get the attention of qualified people?
It is possible to find the right people, but you will need to use networking channels and new technology to find the person you want. Using a shotgun method (like craigslist) is not going to get the attention of quality applicants. Any of the big online job boards are going get you keyboard warriors, and not the real go-getters in the job market.
I would start by asking your best customers if they would be interested in a job. If you have a store front, put up a "Help Wanted" sign. If you are an online business, use your social media channels to advertise the job opening. Put an update on your website and in your email newsletter that you are looking for new team members. Try to get word out to your competition that you are growing and looking for new employees. You may be able to steal away some of their people (who are already educated in your industry, thereby reducing the costs of getting your new hire up to speed).
Good luck, and I hope you find just the right person for the job!0 -
Also, the OP never stated what the job was only it was something paying just above national wage. Depending on the line of work, the hours offered, and the position of those attending for interview, they may not felt it necessary to wear suits/dressy trousers, to phone if not attending etc (I am talking about casual shop work or something similar).
You cannot make such sweeping statements like that based on such bias. I wouldn't want to work for an employer like that.
No matter what job I have applied for, be it the fast food and pizza joints or retail jobs in high school and college, or the professional level jobs in my adulthood, I have dressed nicely and with the recognition that I am being asking to be considered for a job, not coming over for a BBQ.0 -
You are beginning to annoy me with your thoughts here. You farm sheep to generate a surplus value! I bet the lambs feel exploited for your financial gain! What makes you any different form OP???
*puts hand up*
Is the answer that he's not exploiting his own species?
Once again you are missing the point in favour of sarcasm, as you have consistently done throughout this thread. Businesses have to generate a profit to grow and employ more people. Hiring people has to be carefully budgeted for. OP has already clearly demonstrated that she is not creaming of the profits and living it up in somewhere exotic. The package outlined above represents a serious opportunity for someone who wants it, with a significant investment from the company to make it happen. Anyone who is serious about getting a job should be able to see that, but if people won't even turn up for the interview they will never know.
Yep. This. Exactly.
I've been watching this thread and some of the comments are so disheartening. Small business owners, like the OP, are the backbone of a healthy economy. Just because you read about a few select CEOs who regularly rake in millions, does NOT mean that those types are in the majority. Most entrepreneurs sacrifice their own earnings to keep a new business growing so that, eventually, they can reap the rewards of their hard work AND employ people.
You can demand higher wages all day long. Surely a business can pay higher wages, but that's going to have to offset somewhere (read: higher prices). The higher prices go, the higher wages go...and so on, into a viscous cycle. No one wants that kind of inflation.
The OP is listing an entry level job. She's paying above the minimum wage. Her candidates are really young and just starting out. I fail to see the villain here.0 -
Im on my phone and don't have access to my laptop with this stuff bookmarked. No there was no inclusion of population or geographic mobility. it was just a us aggregate data set and showed % of people moving across income quintiles. and data stopped on like 2006. but it still was eye opening despite the flaws. the job mobility in the UK is certainly worse though
The whole world changed in late 2007, early 2008.0 -
Some thoughts on your post - the vast majority of the 'free courses' are number ticking exercises originally initiated by the-blair-smiler to reduce the numbers listed on the dole, from what I know. They are not useful from everything I've seen.I havent read through all this thread but I would give my back teeth for a job right now! If I cant make an interview I always let them know and have had it rearranged in the past there is no excuse for bad manners.
What can be useful is companies that offer things like fork lift courses for those on job seekers for free.
I wouldn't want a CV that was assisted by the job centre. If they are that good at selling themselves, you'd expect them to be in a better job themselves.
The internet has massive resources on this. I dropped my CV off for another contract last night - unfortunately only took about an hour and a half updating it which is nowhere near what I'd consider enough as the format still isn't amazing - as it's for a reasonably well paid position (which may just be a honey pot anyway).
For practice in interviews, a good start would be just getting your friends and family to do mock interviews with you. Hell, get people on chat roulette to do it! I've been meaning to go along to some 'toastmasters' or similar clubs - because I know my presentation skills (be it presenting myself or a subject) aren't as fluid as they could be.
If you don't mind work you're doing, keep an eye out for the job adverts that are there week in week out. Most areas seem to have some companies ALWAYS looking for staff (for instance a wood door factory I worked at for a bit).
Do consider getting your CV set up appropriately for the work - making a big thing about a degree when applying for said wood door factory probably isn't a great start!
Finally I don't think anyone is claiming it is 'everyone' - but it's certainly easy to see a good number of people like this.0 -
I used to work in HR. My first question is how are you advertizing the job? I don't mean just where you placed the ads but what you are doing to get the attention of qualified people?
It is possible to find the right people, but you will need to use networking channels and new technology to find the person you want. Using a shotgun method (like craigslist) is not going to get the attention of quality applicants. Any of the big online job boards are going get you keyboard warriors, and not the real go-getters in the job market.
I would start by asking your best customers if they would be interested in a job. If you have a store front, put up a "Help Wanted" sign. If you are an online business, use your social media channels to advertise the job opening. Put an update on your website and in your email newsletter that you are looking for new team members. Try to get word out to your competition that you are growing and looking for new employees. You may be able to steal away some of their people (who are already educated in your industry, thereby reducing the costs of getting your new hire up to speed).
Good luck, and I hope you find just the right person for the job!
I think I may have found the `right person` I have a 17 yo guy, the son of a customer.
He is coming for an interview tomorrow and I am 100% sure that he will be the person that I need, I have met him before and he is a really nice lad.
I am now hoping that I can put him on a trail of work, and making the most of himself, but most of all that he enjoys his job and I can help him to further his career. (Hopefully with me)0 -
All the way up to 'good' schools in middle class areas, they were pretty safe at one time. Even these students are struggling now... everyone's got a degree and we're in a worldwide recession. If you throw a breadroll at the staff in McDonalds' you'll most likely hit a graduate.
Well this falls at the feet of good old Tone and his ridiculous notion that 50% of school leavers should go on to university. Queue pointless degrees and the problem of more graduates than graduate places. He also forgot the little issue of funding; whilst only 10% of school leavers went to university the education could remain free...knock it up to 40-50% and free university education becomes unfundable by central government. So now we have kids with worthless degrees AND 40k of debt.
Where is the good vocational education? Totally missing at school level. Where are proper apprenticeships? Gone, because successive governments have looked at them simply as a way to keep the unemployment figures of youngsters low rather than actually give them a grounding.
The problem for many employers is that the investment needed to knock a lot of them into shape is enormous and our current world is competitive in the extreme so most have neither the time nor the capital to take total a total raw material kid on, especially if they're not demonstrating any real enthusiasm.0 -
I don't agree with the exploitation of others for financial gain.... making someone else live on the minimum wage so you can fund the enormous mortgage on your tasteless 4-bed detached in some snotty village, your golf club membership, BMW and holidays abroad? Well one HAS to keep up with the neighbours, after all... Nah. Immoral.So this person has worked hard and build up a small business and is now able to offer someone a job, and she gets a load of **** of people. Lovely.
I say STICK IT to the man.
Wow. Running a business and offering an income to others is now immoral exploitation? Just wow... :huh:
Have you ever considered you folk can only afford to say "stick it" because the rest of us have to pay for that?
I see you have nicely avoided my point about surplus value......
You are beginning to annoy me with your thoughts here. You farm sheep to generate a surplus value! I bet the lambs feel exploited for your financial gain! What makes you any different form OP???
The point is this:
There is no such thing as altruism within the workings of capital. You do not build up a business in order that you can employ people because it is a 'nice thing to do'. You do this because (hopefully) you have done your sums and you have worked out that having employees would generate more revenue for the business than it would cost the business to employ them. If they are cost-neutral or cost-negative, then you have not costed your staff correctly. You may have 'incidentally' done a 'good thing' by creating a job, but that is not the purpose of taking on employees, the purpose is to create more revenue for the company through the surplus-value of the employees. If you are the business owner the reward is in your bank account - you shouldn't need to have people telling you what a nice person you are for, essentially creating more wealth for yourself.
I farm sheep to generate a profit. They are my stock (one might argue that they are the original 'stock'). If I build up my business to the point where I want to employ somebody I will do it because to employ somebody will generate me more revenue than not employing somebody. I wont expect society to pat me on the back for making myself more wealthy - my bank balance will be reward enough.0 -
capitalism being exploitation is true only in the minds of marxists. that logic requires a complete exclusion of the concept of individualism and property rights. capitalism is merely the natural system under a free market where individual property is protected by law. it can only be considered exploitation if you reject the concept of ownership, as Marxists did
Anarcho-capitalism on MFP....now I have seen it all.....0 -
I don't agree with the exploitation of others for financial gain.... making someone else live on the minimum wage so you can fund the enormous mortgage on your tasteless 4-bed detached in some snotty village, your golf club membership, BMW and holidays abroad? Well one HAS to keep up with the neighbours, after all... Nah. Immoral.So this person has worked hard and build up a small business and is now able to offer someone a job, and she gets a load of **** of people. Lovely.
I say STICK IT to the man.
Wow. Running a business and offering an income to others is now immoral exploitation? Just wow... :huh:
Have you ever considered you folk can only afford to say "stick it" because the rest of us have to pay for that?
I see you have nicely avoided my point about surplus value......
You are beginning to annoy me with your thoughts here. You farm sheep to generate a surplus value! I bet the lambs feel exploited for your financial gain! What makes you any different form OP???
The point is this:
There is no such thing as altruism within the workings of capital. You do not build up a business in order that you can employ people because it is a 'nice thing to do'. You do this because (hopefully) you have done your sums and you have worked out that having employees would generate more revenue for the business than it would cost the business to employ them. If they are cost-neutral or cost-negative, then you have not costed your staff correctly. You may have 'incidentally' done a 'good thing' by creating a job, but that is not the purpose of taking on employees, the purpose is to create more revenue for the company through the surplus-value of the employees. If you are the business owner the reward is in your bank account - you shouldn't need to have people telling you what a nice person you are for, essentially creating more wealth for yourself.
I farm sheep to generate a profit. They are my stock (one might argue that they are the original 'stock'). If I build up my business to the point where I want to employ somebody I will do it because to employ somebody will generate me more revenue than not employing somebody. I wont expect society to pat me on the back for making myself more wealthy - my bank balance will be reward enough.
I take your point that entrepreneurs do not build a business and employ people just because it is a good thing to do. There are many reasons and yes, that includes making more money. But, just like an employee, if you take the risk to make the investment, put in the hours, put up with the hassles, you are going to want a higher return and make your investment in staff and their equipment (desk, phone, computer, materials, car, training etc, etc) pay. There is nothing wrong in this. Also, OP was not asking for people to tell her how wonderful she was for creating a job. In my experience, they don't want it and are more interested in protecting their investment (ie their business). As you say, the investment has to pay for itself and the reward is the extra profit. OP's point was that young adults don't seem to want to make the effort!0 -
All the way up to 'good' schools in middle class areas, they were pretty safe at one time. Even these students are struggling now... everyone's got a degree and we're in a worldwide recession. If you throw a breadroll at the staff in McDonalds' you'll most likely hit a graduate.
Well this falls at the feet of good old Tone and his ridiculous notion that 50% of school leavers should go on to university. Queue pointless degrees and the problem of more graduates than graduate places. He also forgot the little issue of funding; whilst only 10% of school leavers went to university the education could remain free...knock it up to 40-50% and free university education becomes unfundable by central government. So now we have kids with worthless degrees AND 40k of debt.
Where is the good vocational education? Totally missing at school level. Where are proper apprenticeships? Gone, because successive governments have looked at them simply as a way to keep the unemployment figures of youngsters low rather than actually give them a grounding.
The problem for many employers is that the investment needed to knock a lot of them into shape is enormous and our current world is competitive in the extreme so most have neither the time nor the capital to take total a total raw material kid on, especially if they're not demonstrating any real enthusiasm.
Oh so true, unfortunately.0 -
capitalism is merely the natural system under a free market where individual property is protected by law
'Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man'Anarcho-capitalism on MFP....now I have seen it all.....
What IS that, exactly...?Where is the good vocational education? Totally missing at school level. Where are proper apprenticeships? Gone, because successive governments have looked at them simply as a way to keep the unemployment figures of youngsters low rather than actually give them a grounding.
Gone with 'Old' Labour's 'academic opportunites for all' mantra, the introduction of the comprehensives and the closing of grammars & technical colleges. Plus the raising of the school leaving age. Years ago I taught Science to bottom set (set 5 of 5) Y11. They knew they were wasting their time, I knew I was wasting their time! It was beyond ridiculous. They were disillusioned, bored, fed up. Kids that should have been in vocational colleges just trapped in hot classrooms for no purpose. It were cruel!I do not get paid as a government analyst...just saying..off topic I know but sometimes I feel like I work for the government (unpaid) grumble
Sell the business (which you are CLEARLY using as a distraction technique to avoid looking at your life) - take some time off, enjoy your grandchildren (do you have grandchildren?) then fall in love, go on a cruise and become the person you wanted to be at 14 years of age.0 -
capitalism being exploitation is true only in the minds of marxists. that logic requires a complete exclusion of the concept of individualism and property rights. capitalism is merely the natural system under a free market where individual property is protected by law. it can only be considered exploitation if you reject the concept of ownership, as Marxists did
Anarcho-capitalism on MFP....now I have seen it all.....
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system . . .0 -
Can I just add a little side note?
Each month I have to fill in EC sales lists.
Each month I have to fill in HMRC wage/insurance details
Every 3 months I have to file a VAT return.
At the end of every tax year I I have to fill in forms and pay an accountant for her services.
Then I have to pay 20% corporation tax on any profits I make. In a UK market that is being sunk by the EU...but that is another topic
I do not get paid as a government analyst...just saying..off topic I know but sometimes I feel like I work for the government (unpaid) :grumble:0 -
capitalism is merely the natural system under a free market where individual property is protected by law
'Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man'Anarcho-capitalism on MFP....now I have seen it all.....
What IS that, exactly...?
Anarcho-captalism or 'market Anarchism '(and 'true' Anarchists would be annoyed at me for even calling it that, because they refute that it has anything to do with Anarchism) is the advocation of the elimination of the state machinery in favour of individual sovreignty within a free market society.
Basically - it is the belief that the market is king and should be allowed to exist unregulated and this, through the process of capitalist competition will eliminate products/services that society does not need.
It is kind of like 'extreme Keynesianism'0 -
While I'm on a ranting-roll.
After the discussion of all young kids getting school dinners paid for, I had a look at the benefits available for someone just over the old cut-off point for free dinners at around £16k.
A couple with one person earning this 16.1k (£.7.70ph for a 40 hour week) who had a kid and was renting would get the same income as a childless person (or couple of course) not claiming earning over £30k!0 -
...Also, OP was not asking for people to tell her how wonderful she was for creating a job. In my experience, they don't want it and are more interested in protecting their investment (ie their business). As you say, the investment has to pay for itself and the reward is the extra profit. OP's point was that young adults don't seem to want to make the effort!
She was in a way - Her Op reads to me along the lines of "Look at how I have created a job, for which I have offered x salary" (expecting praise)
and then
Because the 5 applicants I have chosen to interview have all been lacking *all* youth are idle layabouts.
I generally take more issue with the second part because I dislike it when people say: all people of arbitiary category I have created (age, race, gender, sexuality, hair length, choice of recreational beverage....etc.) "are like this" or "do thing x".0 -
capitalism being exploitation is true only in the minds of marxists. that logic requires a complete exclusion of the concept of individualism and property rights. capitalism is merely the natural system under a free market where individual property is protected by law. it can only be considered exploitation if you reject the concept of ownership, as Marxists did
Anarcho-capitalism on MFP....now I have seen it all.....
Anarcho capitalism is my favorite topic of discussion. Way beyond the heads of most mfp posters though0 -
Well it is sad to say but this is not just a UK problem! The US is the same way!
^^ It's true. I've been working full time since I was 17 (over 10 years ago, and worked full time all throughout college), I had an employee come in the other day for an interview and to turn in apps in ripped up jeans and t-shirts... really? that's your best? Granted, I am now 28, but I would NEVER show up like that to an interview or even to turn paperwork in.
Call me old fashioned... But it's the truth. I also give a good grip handshake, where as most women barely touch your hand to shake hands. I find it a sign of weakness or fear, but that's just me.0 -
The solution to the problem is simple: Pay a higher wage. That is the way it is supposed to work--pay more and get a better quality employee. Unfortunately, most employers want to get a high quality employee for the min wage possible.
Who wants to work their *kitten* off for min wage when that isn't even enough to cover basic needs? What amazes me is the number of people out there who are willing to work their *kitten* off for minimum wage.0 -
...Also, OP was not asking for people to tell her how wonderful she was for creating a job. In my experience, they don't want it and are more interested in protecting their investment (ie their business). As you say, the investment has to pay for itself and the reward is the extra profit. OP's point was that young adults don't seem to want to make the effort!
She was in a way - Her Op reads to me along the lines of "Look at how I have created a job, for which I have offered x salary" (expecting praise)
and then
Because the 5 applicants I have chosen to interview have all been lacking *all* youth are idle layabouts.
I generally take more issue with the second part because I dislike it when people say: all people of arbitiary category I have created (age, race, gender, sexuality, hair length, choice of recreational beverage....etc.) "are like this" or "do thing x".
Steve, I certainly do not expect praise for creating a job opportunity. I would like to envisage a young person taking an advantage to work instead of claiming benefits.
I know many people old and young do not want to claim benefits, but my impressions of young adults is from my original post...which is sad. bearing in mind the posts from other young people that are seeking work. I have 2 sons that have been through the mill trying to find work also.
I have never suggested or inferred that young people are `idle or layabouts`
My intention is to give a job opening to a young person that may have no qualifications and give them a career opportunity.
There has certainly been no mention of race/gender/sexuality etc from me0 -
Minimum wage can do you pretty well.
I do agree with the sentiment to pay more if you're not getting the people you want.
However, this isn't congruent with the many people you see saying they'll take any job.
Unfortunately often it's a case of employers and employees getting messed about the genuine on both sides suffering.0
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