Top 10 MFP community falsehoods
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WHO ARE YOU!!??:drinker:0
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InB4 Coach Reddy.0
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simple math.
I weigh myself = loss in weight
I measure myself= increased size
tests indicate BF% dropped.
Eating at 1950 was calculated at least 500- deficit, most likely more.
Most importantly for me, I am getting bigger, more ripped, and stronger, while eating less than i "so called" should, getting results.
Then again i could just be special.0 -
Too bad I can't upvote. ^_^0
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Science. Do you guys even know how it works?
"I think spinach causes cancer."
"You have no proof of that, only anecdotal evidence"
"People once said the Earth was flat because of anecdotal evidence, therefore I'm right"
MFP has more scientists than any other web site in the world!!!!
So tobacco doesn’t cause lung cancer? I wish a scientist or two would look into that…
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For the most part, the OP is correct in most of what he says, but his rationale for why it is correct is not scientifically based, and that is further cemented with the reality that the OP didn't provide any references, didn't feel obliged to, but did feel obliged to tell us he had them.
OP, there are many discrepancies in your post. While your intentions are well-meaning, it is usually best not to come into a community by declaring you have all the knowledge. You make yourself look a bit foolish. There is a lot of misinformation floating around here, but there are a lot of people who combat misinformation with factual information AND provide references.
Again, there are lots of discrepancies in your post. You should review your excessive list of references again because you seemed to have missed some things.
So many discrepancies, but apparently no time to point out what they are. :laugh: (And you talk about a lack of references!)
Well for one thing, starvation mode does exist. No, it doesn't exist in the way he described it, and the way many people refer to it, but it is legitimate. If you deprive the body of proper nutrition, as occurs on VLCD, the body will produce hormones that force it to perform more efficiently (burning less calories) and cause intense hunger. It is referred to as starvation mode because it is a reflex to prevent starvation. This doesn't occur immediately if you are obese and have excess fat stores. For reference: New Rules of Lifting for Women
And just like with the starvation mode reflex, lean mass gains can only be achieved in a deficit if you have excess fat stores. Once those have been depleted, you will no longer build muscle without the extra calories to fuel the process of building muscle. Again, for reference: New Rules of Lifting for Women
For any other research needs might I suggest you go here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed0 -
Bump to come back and read!0
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If you're springing for a Dexa every 3 weeks, I'm sure you recognize that BMR/TDEE estimations are just that, and was also asking the accuracy of your intake measurements.
Input #1: Starting weight and BF%
Input #2: Current weight and BF%
Input #3: Number of days between weighings
Calculation result: average daily caloric deficit
You appear to be confusing pre- with post-. Note the complete lack of tracked input of calories or exercises or TDEE or BMR in the above. The only "estimation" going into this is the "estimate" that one pound of fat loss represents a caloric deficit of 3500 calories.
In my case, the estimated deficit from tracking calories and exercise is approximately 10%-15% different than the actual reality, but as I've said twice before now, that isn't what I use to figure out my *actual* deficit, I use the actual results. Tracking is just a tool to get in the ballpark - measuring is what closes the feedback loop.
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simple math.
I weigh myself = loss in weight
I measure myself= increased size
tests indicate BF% dropped.
Eating at 1950 was calculated at least 500- deficit, most likely more.
Most importantly for me, I am getting bigger, more ripped, and stronger, while eating less than i "so called" should, getting results.
Then again i could just be special.
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High five!0
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The scientific nature of your debating skills is awe inspiring....science, brah, now it all makes sense0 -
simple math.
I weigh myself = loss in weight
I measure myself= increased size
tests indicate BF% dropped.
Eating at 1950 was calculated at least 500- deficit, most likely more.
Most importantly for me, I am getting bigger, more ripped, and stronger, while eating less than i "so called" should, getting results.
Then again i could just be special.
I think you mentioned a while back that your testosterone levels were higher than normal? Are you supplementing? Young men can see pretty wild results with fat loss and muscle gain at the same time.
What body composition changes have the DEXA scans shown? Honestly curious.0 -
I can do something easy -
I can weigh myself in the evening, and then in the morning.. i make a note on my calendar what the weight is. i also track my food, i also track my food trends, i notice these trends have a pattern. i see when i change the pattern my wieght changes. for ME, i see that works. I cannot recommend my trends to anyone because not everyone is me.
I notice when i eat a heavy dinner at night i weigh more in the mornign than if i eat a light dinner at night. i cant explain that but it seems true for me.
if i eat out at Olive Garden - high sodium meal - on the weekned, i pay for it with higher water weight fot the next three days and by god, i start to lose weight again by thursday, and yep, this happened again today.
i think i can pretty much count on that to guage my progress. If a trend goes badly for too long, then i know something is wrong.
Like one time, at band camp, lol..
no seriously, one time i swear i was on a pleateau when i started, when i didn't know better, but when that "plateau" turned into 3 weeks, turns out i was underestimated my calories. people here told me to weigh a measure.. i was eyeballing. wow.
amazing what you learn along the way.
so whats up with the above?????0 -
InB4 Coach Reddy.
I'm not sure why but this made me snort. :laugh:0 -
BTRL0
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Well said!0
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I get really tired of threads that begin with "I get really tired of . . . "
Better place for this sort of writing is your feed.
Or the blog feature that MFP provides
I get really tired of being tired of people tired of tired threads
well now I am freaking exhausted!!0 -
Great post, thank you for sharing! Sometimes it is hard for people to make sense of all the garbage that is spread around supposedly under the premise of "weight loss wisdom". I appreciate the time you took to express this is plain english!0
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Your head
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The scientific nature of your debating skills is awe inspiring....science, brah, now it all makes sense
You're wrong because it was proven that hair color is hereditary.0 -
I get really tired of threads that begin with "I get really tired of . . . "
Better place for this sort of writing is your feed.
Or the blog feature that MFP provides
I get really tired of being tired of people tired of tired threads
well now I am freaking exhausted!!
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This should be made into a sticky post! Thank you for all the hard work you put into crafting this post!0
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I get really tired of threads that begin with "I get really tired of . . . "
Better place for this sort of writing is your feed.
Or the blog feature that MFP provides
I get really tired of being tired of people tired of tired threads
How tiresome. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Great, guys. Now I'm exhausted. :yawn:0 -
Nonsense, I know the reason I’m not losing weight is because I have a slow metabolism, I should do like my neighbor who’s a personal trainer, He’s gluten free and tells me I’m fat because I’m in starvation mode and I should up my calories and stick to the number my TDEE/BMR says to a tea! He also said I shouldn’t lift heavy weight because I first need to lose the weight and then to watch how much I lift so that I don’t bulk up!
Ok, so I didn’t manage to work in AT in this whole thing, but that’s honestly because I don’t understand it too well, but I think you’ll get a good laugh out of it anyway!0 -
I get really tired of threads that begin with "I get really tired of . . . "
Better place for this sort of writing is your feed.
Or the blog feature that MFP provides
I get really tired of being tired of people tired of tired threads
How tiresome. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Great, guys. Now I'm exhausted. :yawn:
I'm already in bed for a nap . . .0 -
oh, one more thing - I did not intentionally skip any thyroid-related issues in my post. My wife has hypothyroidism, so I'm pretty familiar with the effects it can have. Undiagnosed and/or untreated it can certainly throw a monkey wrench in the mix... but also, it's not the most common thing in the world. Yes, people have thyroid issues. No, it's not the most likely explanation for the majority of issues people have with weight loss. Absolutely go see your doctor if you suspect you have a thyroid condition.
Apparently, the concept of self-education isn't going to be embraced on this thread, so here are some of the more crucial references I think people should read. There are more, and some of these can be pretty difficult to quickly comprehend if you're not used to the language, but have at them:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519304004175
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/291/1/E23 (related to above)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment (yes, it's wikipedia. but it also has a good collection to links and articles about the Minnesota experiment that do contain good data)
I apologize for not keeping bookmarks of where I gained all fitness-related knowledge for the past several years of doing research off and on. The ones I included here are ones I bookmarked to go back and read again later. I already recommended checking out the works of Lyle MacDonald and Mike Roussel, but in case google is on the fritz today, here are some links to their stuff. Bear in mind that both of them are professional authors. Sometimes you have to dig fairly deeply to find the science they're using, but sometimes it's also on the surface.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ - lyle macdonald's site. I don't agree with him 100% but I do read 100% of what he writes (that I can find).
http://www.youtube.com/user/mikeroussell - he has other sites that get much more into the business of separating us from our money... but he does have a knack for breaking down complicated science into more digestible bits. Take him with a grain of salt, but do watch.0 -
I disagree with #6. I think more people today have an intolerance to gluten than you think. Avoiding Wheat/Gluten is no easy task and by no means is an easy out. I struggle everyday trying to avoid these items. I didn’t cut out Wheat/Gluten to lose weight. I cut it out to improve my health (heartburn, chest pain, itching, stomach pains, bloating, acne). Granted, if I didn’t have immediate reactions after eating Wheat/Gluten, I will probably still eat it.
There is not a test that can verify a Wheat/Gluten intolerance. You just have to cut it out and see if your symptoms improve.0 -
***snif *** no one heard me... now im butthurt0
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Apparently, the concept of self-education isn't going to be embraced on this thread
Since you know so much and have been on MFP so long...this^ should NOT surprise you At. All. Or haven't you seen the amount of period threads on here?
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Have you really read the Alpert study?
I mean even the abstract disagrees with you
" The solution shows a steady-state term which is in agreement with conventional ideas, a term indicating a slow decrease of much of the FFM moderated by the limited energy transferred from the fat store, and a final term showing an unprotected rapid decrease of the remaining part of the FFM. The average resting metabolic rate of subjects undergoing hypophagia is shown to decrease linearly as a function of the FFM with a slope of (249±25) kJ/kg d. This value disagrees with the results of other observers who have measured metabolic rates of diverse groups. The disagreement is explained in terms of individual metabolic properties as opposed to those of the larger population."
What do you think he's saying?0 -
oh, one more thing - I did not intentionally skip any thyroid-related issues in my post. My wife has hypothyroidism, so I'm pretty familiar with the effects it can have. Undiagnosed and/or untreated it can certainly throw a monkey wrench in the mix... but also, it's not the most common thing in the world. Yes, people have thyroid issues. No, it's not the most likely explanation for the majority of issues people have with weight loss. Absolutely go see your doctor if you suspect you have a thyroid condition.
Apparently, the concept of self-education isn't going to be embraced on this thread, so here are some of the more crucial references I think people should read. There are more, and some of these can be pretty difficult to quickly comprehend if you're not used to the language, but have at them:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519304004175
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/291/1/E23 (related to above)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment (yes, it's wikipedia. but it also has a good collection to links and articles about the Minnesota experiment that do contain good data)
I apologize for not keeping bookmarks of where I gained all fitness-related knowledge for the past several years of doing research off and on. The ones I included here are ones I bookmarked to go back and read again later. I already recommended checking out the works of Lyle MacDonald and Mike Roussel, but in case google is on the fritz today, here are some links to their stuff. Bear in mind that both of them are professional authors. Sometimes you have to dig fairly deeply to find the science they're using, but sometimes it's also on the surface.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ - lyle macdonald's site. I don't agree with him 100% but I do read 100% of what he writes (that I can find).
http://www.youtube.com/user/mikeroussell - he has other sites that get much more into the business of separating us from our money... but he does have a knack for breaking down complicated science into more digestible bits. Take him with a grain of salt, but do watch.
This is what my physician basically told me:
Hypothyroidism, is rapidly becoming a health epidemic in the United States. A common health issue for women, hypothyroidism is routinely misdiagnosed in thousands and thousands of women, due in large part.
"The laboratory range of what is considered normal thyroid function is an arbitrary value with a range that is so vast, that 90 to 95% of the population will fall into the "normal range." Another issue that contributes to the misdiagnosis is that physicians tend to rely primarily on just one test - the TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test. In order to get an accurate picture of thyroid function, healthcare providers should test not only for TSH levels, but for thyroid antibodies, and two other very important hormones as well: T4 and T3.
In order to accurately test for hypothyroidism, patients should undergo a complete series of thyroid tests, which would include the TSH test, along with other blood tests which measure the levels of T4, T3, and thyroid antibody levels.
Blood tests are the most accurate measure for diagnosing hypothyroidism. However, including the basal body temperature can also help as a general measure as well. Because your thyroid controls your basal body temperature, it can help you gauge how much T3 is active in your cells.
If your basal body temperature is below 97.8 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 3 days in a row, it is very likely your thyroid function is low. Following up with the necessary blood tests would then be appropriate to get a better picture.
If you think you may be suffering with hypothyroidism, but have been told by your physician that your thyroid function is normal, seek a second opinion. It may be that more tests are needed to confirm the diagnosis.0
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