Paleo SHIFT
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I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.0 -
Paleo involves lifestyle changes, not just dietary changes. In 2005 my immune system crashed. I developed severe depression, diabetes, constant migraines, aches and pains everywhere, and peri-menopause started. In 2009 I started vomiting every time I ate. Not because I was trying to, but because I couldn't keep food down. I was diagnosed with a Hiatus hernia of the oesophagus - the valve was burnt open at the top of the stomach! The doctor gave me drugs to reduce the acid my stomach produced, but that didn't stop the vomiting.
2010 I went and saw a dietician who specialised in FODMAPS - intolerance to various food sugars. She also suggested I might have IBS and leaky gut - no kidding!
I went on an elimination diet. No more pip fruit, stone fruit, onions, and various veges like broccoli. Eliminated gluten and lactose. Oh yay - no more vomiting, but I still wasn't well.
2011 - discovered Paleo/Primal. Rob Woolf, Sarah Ballantyne, Mark's Daily Apple, Dr Cordaine and others. Removed all grains from my diet, all legumes, all nightshades, almost all dairy (except for some cheese and butter). Diabetes control looking much better. No more vomiting, no more headaches, let alone migraines, no more aching joints. I lost a bit of weight, my gut is much better. The depression is less worse, the anxiety attacks are less frequent.
Then earlier this year I decided to try Keto-Paleo. Max 50g carbs, 90g ish (mostly) Saturated Fats, 160g protein daily. Goodbye coffee and wine. The weight is falling off, people are commenting what a happy, bouncy person I am. I'm feeling the best I can ever remember.
Paleo/Primal IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. But for those of us who have been chronically unwell for most of their lives, it is a LIFESAVER. Try it before you dis it.
that's great! awesome story0 -
I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
modern humans have only been on the earth for about 200,000 years...not two million ...0 -
*this is not directed at anyone in particular*
There's nothing wrong with eating "Paleo", if it works for you, you love the food, and you don't feel deprived. That said, there is nothing magical about this diet. It is not the golden ticket to health.
You aren't really a Paleo eater anyway.
There was no time in human history where our diet exactly matched out physiology. If we are "designed" to do anything, it is to eat a wide range of foods and make do with what is available.
There was also no Paliolithic person who had access to mango and zucchini at the same time.
European cavemen often went long stretches of time without any fresh plant matter in the winter.
Seaside cavemen did not eat the same diet as mountain cavemen. Etc. Etc.
Plenty of people are perfectly healthy while eating wheat and beans.
People can get adequate nutrition from "synthetic" food. My aunt has a paralyzed stomach and has subsided off a dietary shake pumped directly into her small intestine for years.
In extreme cases, diets like this can lead to orthorexia. Though the diet may be perfectly adequate, it isn't exactly mentally healthy if you can't bring yourself to take a bite of the chocolate chip cookie your nephew just baked for you.
ETA: the Egyptian slaves who built the pyramids subsided almost entirely on beer...maybe I should peg that era as the golden age of human nutrition
An intellegent and beautifully written post.
Had to check I was still in Food and Nutrition for a second there!0 -
for something completely off track.....the best "diet" is a dose of laughter everyday....reading thread after thread of arguing of what diet works better, what diet consists of what, and then best of all the funny little pics chucked in with a dash of sarcasm IS THE BEST DIET THAT WORKS FOR ME. Not that I am on a diet by any means.0
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well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
Yes, we have. Beneficial mutations take as little as 2000 years to sweep through the general population.
Apart from all the other inconsistencies already covered here, the plain reality is that a "human" today is already different from what a "human" was 20,000 years ago. Evolution does not stand still, and it moves at a much more rapid pace than most people seem to understand.0 -
I agree. A perfect example is the human amylase gene, which codes for an enzyme involved in starch digestion. The number of copies in certain populations matches the amount of starch in their diet. When you consider that rice domestication happened about 6-7000 years ago, and the Japanese have greater copies of this gene compared to populations who eat a low starch diet, human evolutionary events obviously happen much more recently than 20K years ago, and continue to happen.well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
Yes, we have. Beneficial mutations take as little as 2000 years to sweep through the general population.
Apart from all the other inconsistencies already covered here, the plain reality is that a "human" today is already different from what a "human" was 20,000 years ago. Evolution does not stand still, and it moves at a much more rapid pace than most people seem to understand.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828263
The argument for the paleo diet, that humans are unchanged since paleo times just doesn't fit with what we know about human evolutionary genetics.
Eg. Recent acceleration of human adaptive evolution. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18087044
People should eat what suits them best, but the evangelical way that some people push the Paleo way bugs me.0 -
I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
Epigenetics. Also, New Scientist has explained why from that scientific perspective, paleo is nonsense... http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929311.200-health-myths-we-should-live-and-eat-like-cavemen.html Here's another from Scientific American. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat0 -
I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
...Actually science says the exact opposite.
In cultures that have historically drank milk, lactose intolerance can be as low as 10%. In cultures that have not, it rarely gets below 70%. Milk drinking is a fairly recent adaptation. The gene that allows the production of lactase beyond infancy has certainly been selected for in some cultures.
Besides, if you are going to claim that we are perfectly adapted to the paleolithic diet, which one do you mean? The diet of the Europeans, which was incredibly meat heavy, especially in the winter? That of the Middle eastern people? African paleolithic people? They were all very different from each other and very different from the diet of any modern "paleo" eater.
ETA: you have a point though, when people became agrarian and started to gather together in cities, their quality of life clearly suffered. Their lifespan decreased and the ensuing 10000 years have been plagued with increasingly I'll health because of the rapid changes to their diet...
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some people havent evolvedI think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
...Actually science says the exact opposite.
In cultures that have historically drank milk, lactose intolerance can be as low as 10%. In cultures that have not, it rarely gets below 70%. Milk drinking is a fairly recent adaptation. The gene that allows the production of lactase beyond infancy has certainly been selected for in some cultures.
Besides, if you are going to claim that we are perfectly adapted to the paleolithic diet, which one do you mean? The diet of the Europeans, which was incredibly meat heavy, especially in the winter? That of the Middle eastern people? African paleolithic people? They were all very different from each other and very different from the diet of any modern "paleo" eater.0 -
You say "many people," but it's actually a very tiny minority of the human population. That's the problem with these kinds of ideas, someone has a pretty rare condition that necessitates a specific food restriction, and then become convinced that because it's unhealthy for them, it must be unhealthy for all. That's not the case, and there is absolutely nothing unhealthy about bread or pasta.Cutting out sweets and breads/pastas isn't restrictive so much as healthful! Great job
But it is not required to cut these out in order to lose weight and be healthful, in which case many people would see it as being pretty restrictive.
Yes, for many people, it is a requirement to cut out these foods to be healthy. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't make the experience of others invalid.0 -
While others have already explained the folly in this, I'm going to add one more. Farming is irrelevant. Humans were eating wild grains for thousands of years before farming. That's why those grains were selected for agriculture when farming began. They didn't all of a sudden decide to farm stuff, and pick something random, they began growing what they were already eating.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.0 -
Eating this way was key for me to get control of my health, as I am one of those unlucky people who has medical issues that demand some dietary modifications.
I agree that the Paleo evangelicals/zealots/nutters/whatever you want to call them are extremely annoying.
The caveman bit never appealed to me, and I didn't find it relevant to my own situation. What does appeal to me are the improvements I've experienced since changing my diet.
I like the OP's message that there isn't a hard and fast set of rules all of us Paleo eaters follow--we all do this differently as we find out what works for us as individuals. I don't think the diet itself, even in the strictest form (autoimmune protocol) is unhealthy on it's own, but the application of it can most definitely become so. That can be said with any sort of diet, though, including IIFYM or just simply calorie counting.0 -
Irony = OP posts that one should do what works best for everyone, and then goes onto promote Paleo as healthy eating that we should all "try" to switch to...bahahahaha
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As I posted in the other paleo thread floating around right now, I tried it and developed some nasty and embarrassing digestive effects from eating this way, as well as started to feel run down, lethargic and started having trouble sleeping. So yeah, paleo was an epic fail for me :noway:0 -
some people havent evolvedI think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
why are our bodies not designed to eat grain? Humans have been eating grains for thousands of years....
well...because humans have been around for 2 million years, and only in the last 10000 years have humans been farming. We haven't adapted to these new foods, because science tells us that our dna is still exactly the same as the cavemans.
...Actually science says the exact opposite.
In cultures that have historically drank milk, lactose intolerance can be as low as 10%. In cultures that have not, it rarely gets below 70%. Milk drinking is a fairly recent adaptation. The gene that allows the production of lactase beyond infancy has certainly been selected for in some cultures.
Besides, if you are going to claim that we are perfectly adapted to the paleolithic diet, which one do you mean? The diet of the Europeans, which was incredibly meat heavy, especially in the winter? That of the Middle eastern people? African paleolithic people? They were all very different from each other and very different from the diet of any modern "paleo" eater.
This. I guess human evolution stopped 10000 years ago? :laugh:
Eta: still waiting for delivery0 -
We weren't "designed" for any of those things. See, everyone can play the what humans were designed for game.im glad that the people base their diet off of a time when the average age of death was 30
they lived in a time when they didn't have proper shelter...or grocery stores to buy food..they had to hunt...and escape from bears and crap...and didn't have doctors. No **** they live short lives.
We also weren't designed to sit in cubicles starring at computer screens all day filling out usless forms and listening to eight different bosses droning on about TPS reports.0 -
I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
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We were only designed to live that long..............its only naturalim glad that the people base their diet off of a time when the average age of death was 30
Logans Run people, it foretells the future!0 -
Cutting out sweets and breads/pastas isn't restrictive so much as healthful! Great job
But it is not required to cut these out in order to lose weight and be healthful, in which case many people would see it as being pretty restrictive.
Yes, for many people, it is a requirement to cut out these foods to be healthy. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't make the experience of others invalid.
Absolutely. I might also add that I don't care much whether or not anyone agrees with my lifestyle or my diet preferences. Everyone who knows me personally, cannot deny the loss of 28#s from my small 5' frame, the clearing of my skin, the glossiness of my hair, etc.
It's THE best thing I've ever done for myself.0 -
I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?0 -
I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?0 -
I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
What is processing? Cooking, cutting, cultivating, killing, dicing, smooshing??0 -
I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
Maybe it's not that our bodies weren't designed to handle these foods, but that they weren't designed to handle them efficiently? Or that they can, over time, cause ill health? Or that constant exposure to them eventually triggers some genetic responses in some people (the idea that you carry a gene for specific disease, but whether or not it's "triggered" depends on your environment)?0 -
I couldn't give two hoots what other people think about the way they eat and I tell nobody that my way is the highway, but I know that I feel a lot better since I stopped or severely limited pasta, rice, bread and processed sugars.
We mostly eat a wide range of meats, lots of colourful veg, I still occasionally have a slice of home baked rye bread, a piece of dark chocolate or a bit of honey.
I don't feel deprived in the slightest and have felt fab.
I also loosely follow IIFYM and find that it's a great way to meet my macros.
Don't care what anyone else thinks or does. Do what works for you but don't try to talk me out of or belittle what works for me. That's all. :flowerforyou:0 -
Eating this way was key for me to get control of my health, as I am one of those unlucky people who has medical issues that demand some dietary modifications.
I agree that the Paleo evangelicals/zealots/nutters/whatever you want to call them are extremely annoying.
The caveman bit never appealed to me, and I didn't find it relevant to my own situation. What does appeal to me are the improvements I've experienced since changing my diet.
I like the OP's message that there isn't a hard and fast set of rules all of us Paleo eaters follow--we all do this differently as we find out what works for us as individuals. I don't think the diet itself, even in the strictest form (autoimmune protocol) is unhealthy on it's own, but the application of it can most definitely become so. That can be said with any sort of diet, though, including IIFYM or just simply calorie counting.
I love that this logical, well-balanced post has been completely buried in the pointless back-and-forth of this thread.
Some people will eat processed carbs.
Some people will not.
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I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
Maybe it's not that our bodies weren't designed to handle these foods, but that they weren't designed to handle them efficiently? Or that they can, over time, cause ill health? Or that constant exposure to them eventually triggers some genetic responses in some people (the idea that you carry a gene for specific disease, but whether or not it's "triggered" depends on your environment)?
you avoided the question ...what foods are we "designed" to handle...??0 -
Based on what science? I guess my italian relatives who live to be 90-100 years old should have cut out all the bread, pasta and other processed sweets. They could have lived longer? You know what really causes ill health. Wait for it.................getting older.
I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
Maybe it's not that our bodies weren't designed to handle these foods, but that they weren't designed to handle them efficiently? Or that they can, over time, cause ill health? Or that constant exposure to them eventually triggers some genetic responses in some people (the idea that you carry a gene for specific disease, but whether or not it's "triggered" depends on your environment)?0 -
I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
Maybe it's not that our bodies weren't designed to handle these foods, but that they weren't designed to handle them efficiently? Or that they can, over time, cause ill health? Or that constant exposure to them eventually triggers some genetic responses in some people (the idea that you carry a gene for specific disease, but whether or not it's "triggered" depends on your environment)?
you avoided the question ...what foods are we "designed" to handle...??
I'm not the one that posted that our bodies weren't "designed to handle" certain foods. I was just throwing out some thoughts on what that could mean. I am well aware that some people tolerate things like gluten & dairy just fine. I did for 30 years, but then something changed. I don't claim to know exactly what happened in my body, but I think it's very possible that my "diet" has something to do with it. I also believe that many ailments can be treated (and even healed) through nutrition. Obviously, that's not a one-size-fits-all solution though. For some, it may mean low-carb, for others it may mean gluten-free. I just know that treating my ailments with nutrition has been much more successful than treating with medicine. I also know that I lost the extra weight I was carrying around without counting calories. That doesn't mean I wasn't in a calorie deficit, it just means I wasn't paying attention to calories. Also, I eat a much broader variety of foods now than I did when I still consumed bread/pasta/dairy...etc. That doesn't mean one has to eliminate those foods, but certainly by getting them off my plate, I made room to add more veggies...etc.0 -
I love how someone makes a post, just throwing out information for people and instead of just taking the information and allowing people to research that information on their own and make a decesion based on the information they get from their research... They jump down someones throat on why THEY don't like it. That is great, you don't need to be rude, you don't need to attack someone. There was no bashing of someone elses lifestyle choice, there was someone simply promoting a lifestyle they enjoy and works great for them...
Stop bashing what you hate and start promoting what you love.
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I wanna know also. I mean civilization would have died out thousands of years ago if not for agriculture and processed food.I think for me, eating paleo is about putting foods into my body that our bodies were designed to handle.
Our bodies really weren't designed to handle bread and processed foods.
:drinker: THIS
not this..
what foods were our bodies designed to handle?
What is processing? Cooking, cutting, cultivating, killing, dicing, smooshing??
Processing consists of ingreidents being put in a food to allow it to last longer, be a different color, taste like something that isn't natural by adding a chemicals to it to get it to taste like that... Checmicals that weren't around 50+ years ago and really aren't meant for our bodies. Chemicals that are scientifically proven to help cause Breast Cancer, Diabetes, Heart Disease.
If you don't care about these things than go on with your weight loss. BUT there are really things out there that aren't good for you. It is up to you to take the information that was given to you, research it and figure out what you want to do and it is truly the obligation of the person that holds that information to give it to anyone they can so that people can learn about everything that they can, as we are a curious group of people. Also unfortunately truly judgemental and hateful too.0
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