UCSF Professor of Pediatrics on Sugar

RunningRichelle
RunningRichelle Posts: 346 Member
in Food and Nutrition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Oh yeah. It's an hour and a half long. It's a lecture from UCSF. About to put it on in the background while I work away.

I already know that he's going to talk about the fact that calories alone don't drive weight loss, that in fact hormone balance drives what is done with the calories we put in, which in turn drives our weight loss or weight gain. Looking forward to what else the guy has to say.

I already know that the title of this post alone is going to attract people who are ready to snark and deride me for daring to post something negative and God-forgive-me 'fear-mongering' about the all-holy substance that is sugar. Go ahead. This post isn't for you.

It's for the person out there who is doing everything they are supposed to be doing according to the calories in/calories out philosphy and is still struggling. It's for the person who has had enough and is starting to question what we've always been told. It's for all the people who read these forums and usually don't comment.

Happy listening, sane comments welcome :-)
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  • RunningRichelle
    RunningRichelle Posts: 346 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."
  • Showcase_Brodown
    Showcase_Brodown Posts: 919 Member
    ...the fact that calories alone don't drive weight loss, that in fact hormone balance drives what is done with the calories we put in, which in turn drives our weight loss or weight gain. Looking forward to what else the guy has to say.

    I don't know if you want to hear this, but calories in/out was and always will be the foundation of weight management. Calories in/out isn't a philosophy, it's the science of how it works.

    I'm not saying this to "snark and deride" you. I am worried that you are falling for the trap of something that is over-complicating the simple and well-established truth. Weight loss is a result of a calorie deficit. If you want to learn about the interaction of hormones to certain nutrients, that's cool too, but it doesn't override the big picture of simply accounting for calories and seeing results.
  • RunningRichelle
    RunningRichelle Posts: 346 Member
    22 minutes in: "Before the advent of food processing, sugars available from fruits and vegetables afforded us about 15g of sugar per day."

    The yogurt I had last night had 15g of sugar in it.. which may explain why I immediately wanted to run back to the fridge and eat 5 more :-)
  • RunningRichelle
    RunningRichelle Posts: 346 Member
    ...the fact that calories alone don't drive weight loss, that in fact hormone balance drives what is done with the calories we put in, which in turn drives our weight loss or weight gain. Looking forward to what else the guy has to say.

    I don't know if you want to hear this, but calories in/out was and always will be the foundation of weight management. Calories in/out isn't a philosophy, it's the science of how it works.

    I'm not saying this to "snark and deride" you. I am worried that you are falling for the trap of something that is over-complicating the simple and well-established truth. Weight loss is a result of a calorie deficit. If you want to learn about the interaction of hormones to certain nutrients, that's cool too, but it doesn't override the big picture of simply accounting for calories and seeing results.

    I'm looking more for comments related to the content I linked, not attacks on my view of what drives weight loss and gain.
  • SweetestLibby
    SweetestLibby Posts: 607 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    the choices of the parents? Since children up to a certain age can't feed themselves they rely on their parents to do so.
  • SweetestLibby
    SweetestLibby Posts: 607 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    the choices of the parents? Since children up to a certain age can't feed themselves they rely on their parents to do so. i'm curios about this video. I think I'll watch it later.
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:
  • lauriedr72973
    lauriedr72973 Posts: 1
    An apple has about 12 grams of sugar, so I don't believe that people used to only get 15g.
  • Showcase_Brodown
    Showcase_Brodown Posts: 919 Member
    ...the fact that calories alone don't drive weight loss, that in fact hormone balance drives what is done with the calories we put in, which in turn drives our weight loss or weight gain. Looking forward to what else the guy has to say.

    I don't know if you want to hear this, but calories in/out was and always will be the foundation of weight management. Calories in/out isn't a philosophy, it's the science of how it works.

    I'm not saying this to "snark and deride" you. I am worried that you are falling for the trap of something that is over-complicating the simple and well-established truth. Weight loss is a result of a calorie deficit. If you want to learn about the interaction of hormones to certain nutrients, that's cool too, but it doesn't override the big picture of simply accounting for calories and seeing results.

    I'm looking more for comments related to the content I linked, not attacks on my view of what drives weight loss and gain.

    I think you are only interested in comments from those who agree with you. I'm not trying to attack you. Go on believing whatever you want.
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
    An apple has about 12 grams of sugar, so I don't believe that people used to only get 15g.

    Beat me to it :wink:
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    An apple has about 12 grams of sugar, so I don't believe that people used to only get 15g.

    My apple today is about 182 grams and has 19 grams of sugar. When I eat my 4-6 servings of veg per day, this puts me well over 15 grams of sugar per day

    ok...let the fear mongering continue...
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    A single orange has that much sugar, lol.

    Also, since when is a pediatrician a nutritionist?
  • ItsCasey
    ItsCasey Posts: 4,021 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    ...the fact that calories alone don't drive weight loss, that in fact hormone balance drives what is done with the calories we put in, which in turn drives our weight loss or weight gain. Looking forward to what else the guy has to say.

    I don't know if you want to hear this, but calories in/out was and always will be the foundation of weight management. Calories in/out isn't a philosophy, it's the science of how it works.

    I'm not saying this to "snark and deride" you. I am worried that you are falling for the trap of something that is over-complicating the simple and well-established truth. Weight loss is a result of a calorie deficit. If you want to learn about the interaction of hormones to certain nutrients, that's cool too, but it doesn't override the big picture of simply accounting for calories and seeing results.

    I'm looking more for comments related to the content I linked, not attacks on my view of what drives weight loss and gain.

    It is crackpot science.
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?

    Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    The only "added" sugar I've had today is my standard tsp of brown sugar in my steel cut oats...other than that, my sugar has been derived from fruit and veg content and I'm at 79 grams so far today...I still have to have dinner tonight...whatever will I do with my sugary brussels sprouts
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    What is the MD name? Has he published anything?
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?

    Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?

    So you are saying I should stop giving my 6 month old Boo Berry cereal? But it's Halloween....
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?

    Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?

    So you are saying I should stop giving my 6 month old Boo Berry cereal? But it's Halloween....

    If it isnt Pumpkin spiced, it isnt Halloweenish.
  • KeViN_v2pt0
    KeViN_v2pt0 Posts: 375 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?

    Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?

    If they are they are getting it from their mommaz teeeets

    http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/comparing-formula-and-breast-milk.html
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."

    This came from a pediatrician? :noway:

    My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?

    Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?
    The ones drinking formula instead of breast milk it looks like...

    Why Doesn't Baby Formula List Sugar Content?

    "Suburban grandmother Nancy Brecj said she could not believe her eyes when she couldn’t find a sugar amount listed on her granddaughter’s infant formula.

    "We looked at all the formulas in the grocery store, even the store brand ones, and none of them listed the sugar grams per serving. None of them," Brecj told NBC Chicago.

    Baby Kimberly’s weight had recently shot up four pounds in one month, Brecj said, after her mother switched her from breast milk to formula. As she was preparing Kimberly’s bottle of Enfamil one day, Brecj said she began to wonder exactly how much sugar was in it."

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/target-5-sugar-baby-formula-139339308.html
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    The yogurt I had last night had 15g of sugar in it.. which may explain why I immediately wanted to run back to the fridge and eat 5 more :-)

    Yeah....cuz it's just like drugs and **** right?

    chocolate-crack-cookie-main-1.jpg
  • KeViN_v2pt0
    KeViN_v2pt0 Posts: 375 Member
    The yogurt I had last night had 15g of sugar in it.. which may explain why I immediately wanted to run back to the fridge and eat 5 more :-)

    Yeah....cuz it's just like drugs and **** right?

    chocolate-crack-cookie-main-1.jpg

    Reminds me of 7th grade and Smarties candies.
  • tonybalony01
    tonybalony01 Posts: 613 Member
    Not even following the link, but I'm fairly sure this is the Lustig lecture where he blames HFCS for the obesity epidemic and even sites a bunch of "studies" where they inject mice with a full day's worth of HFCS at once. The mice end up having adverse reactions to the spikes in sugar, so he comes to the conclusion that HFCS is poison.
    This has been around a few years and has been discussed at length on this site.
    Have fun wasting your time, and don't believe the hype.
  • KeViN_v2pt0
    KeViN_v2pt0 Posts: 375 Member
    Not even following the link, but I'm fairly sure this is the Lustig lecture where he blames HFCS for the obesity epidemic and even sites a bunch of "studies" where they inject mice with a full day's worth of HFCS at once. The mice end up having adverse reactions to the spikes in sugar, so he comes to the conclusion that HFCS is poison.
    This has been around a few years and has been discussed at length on this site.
    Have fun wasting your time, and don't believe the hype.

    yawning-baby-sloth-o.gif
  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    :yawn:
  • RunningRichelle
    RunningRichelle Posts: 346 Member
    43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I nursed my daughter for a year and had her on the usual schedule and type of solid foods pediatricians recommend and she wasn't obese or even slightly overweight.

    My best friend has three siblings. All four of them were the fattest babies you'll ever meet (organic, homegrown diets, too). However, they are some of the skinniest adults I know.

    And my best friend and her skinny sister put away entire boxes of Girl Scout cookies in a sitting.
  • husseycd
    husseycd Posts: 814 Member
    Listening to it now...
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.

    I sometimes wonder if people genuinely don't realize that they way they feel after they eat certain foods is a personal thing and doesn't reflect on everyone. I had a yogurt and a chocolate chip muffin before my run: Still full. I might have an apple later and that'll tide me over just fine. A serving of pasta: Won't leave me desperate for more food.

    For other people however it stands to reason that these things might not be sating.

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