UCSF Professor of Pediatrics on Sugar
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Please don't comment if you disagree with the OP. Kthankxbye.0
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43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.
I sometimes wonder if people genuinely don't realize that they way they feel after they eat certain foods is a personal thing and doesn't reflect on everyone. I had a yogurt and a chocolate chip muffin before my run: Still full. I might have an apple later and that'll tide me over just fine. A serving of pasta: Won't leave me desperate for more food.
For other people however it stands to reason that these things might not be sating.
If I eat just an apple, I end up starving. But if I pair it with a little cheese or peanut butter, I'm fine.
I need fiber, fat and protein together to make me not hungry most of the time, though a yogurt on its own in the morning works, too. I'm just not really very hungry early in the day, though.
Sugar alone will not sate my appetite, but it doesn't make me hungry if I pair it with something else.0 -
Please don't comment if you disagree with the OP. Kthankxbye.
Luckily, my opinion was swayed by the last tidbit on fructose.0 -
Buddy?0
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43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.
I eat my apple about 30 minutes before my lifting session 'cuz sugar = rocket fuel and I can push and pull like a boss...pretty sure that's not meaningless...then I have some sugar and fat and protein afterwards so that my body can use the sugar to immediately replenish my energy stores...some fat for slow burning energy and leaving the protein alone for my muscles to synthesize...0 -
Please don't comment if you disagree with the OP. Kthankxbye.
doesn't sit well with most of us...0 -
43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.
I sometimes wonder if people genuinely don't realize that they way they feel after they eat certain foods is a personal thing and doesn't reflect on everyone. I had a yogurt and a chocolate chip muffin before my run: Still full. I might have an apple later and that'll tide me over just fine. A serving of pasta: Won't leave me desperate for more food.
For other people however it stands to reason that these things might not be sating.
If I eat just an apple, I end up starving. But if I pair it with a little cheese or peanut butter, I'm fine.
I need fiber, fat and protein together to make me not hungry most of the time, though a yogurt on its own in the morning works, too. I'm just not really very hungry early in the day, though.
Sugar alone will not sate my appetite, but it doesn't make me hungry if I pair it with something else.
The idea of eating an apple with other things just makes my brain hurt.
Unless that other thing is caramel. Then I'm back on board.
My stomach and I have a very amicable relationship. I put food in, it goes "Oh cool thanks, we'll talk in 3 hours" and doesn't seem to care what it was I put it, really. Unless it's peppers. Even bell peppers give me awful heartburn. My stomach and I can't seem to agree in that one area (I go yay, tasty, lets eat them raw, and it goes Don't effing do it!!!)0 -
The ones drinking formula instead of breast milk it looks like...7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."
This came from a pediatrician? :noway:
My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?
Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?
Why Doesn't Baby Formula List Sugar Content?
"Suburban grandmother Nancy Brecj said she could not believe her eyes when she couldn’t find a sugar amount listed on her granddaughter’s infant formula.
"We looked at all the formulas in the grocery store, even the store brand ones, and none of them listed the sugar grams per serving. None of them," Brecj told NBC Chicago.
Baby Kimberly’s weight had recently shot up four pounds in one month, Brecj said, after her mother switched her from breast milk to formula. As she was preparing Kimberly’s bottle of Enfamil one day, Brecj said she began to wonder exactly how much sugar was in it."
http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/target-5-sugar-baby-formula-139339308.html
Maybe its just me but why does that jar look like a jar of peanut butter? Theres no way im feeding my baby brown formula.0 -
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MDs have no clue about nutrition ...0
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43ish minutes in: Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone, grehlin. You take in the calories from fructose, yet you feel no fullness from those calories. If I am taking in calories... I'd like them to mean something.
I eat my apple about 30 minutes before my lifting session 'cuz sugar = rocket fuel and I can push and pull like a boss...pretty sure that's not meaningless...then I have some sugar and fat and protein afterwards so that my body can use the sugar to immediately replenish my energy stores...some fat for slow burning energy and leaving the protein alone for my muscles to synthesize...
Apples aren't pure fructose tho. What I'm getting from this guy's lecture is that fructose is what's doing the most damage.0 -
I'm sad, OP. We will never be friends because according to your page you can't be friends with people who enjoy filling their diaries with Fun Dip...0
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7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."
"We must believe in free will — we have no other choice." - Isaac Bashevis Singer0 -
In for the ridiculous condemnation of sugar.
Am I late?0 -
An apple has about 12 grams of sugar, so I don't believe that people used to only get 15g.
That was around WWII, when sugar was rationed. Prior to WWII, the average consumption averaged around 20 grams. Which, if you think about it makes sense even when you consider apples have 12 grams of sugar. Year long access to many types of fruit is a recent luxury.
I'm about half-way and it's very interesting. I'd suggest listening to the lecture before dismissing it.0 -
Bump to watch later0
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If you haven't listened to the lecture, then correct, please don't comment.
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The ones drinking formula instead of breast milk it looks like...7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."
This came from a pediatrician? :noway:
My thoughts exactly. How does a person with even an average IQ not understand that SOMEONE is still choosing what a 6 month old eats?
Also, how many 6 month olds are eating processed sugar?
Why Doesn't Baby Formula List Sugar Content?
"Suburban grandmother Nancy Brecj said she could not believe her eyes when she couldn’t find a sugar amount listed on her granddaughter’s infant formula.
"We looked at all the formulas in the grocery store, even the store brand ones, and none of them listed the sugar grams per serving. None of them," Brecj told NBC Chicago.
Baby Kimberly’s weight had recently shot up four pounds in one month, Brecj said, after her mother switched her from breast milk to formula. As she was preparing Kimberly’s bottle of Enfamil one day, Brecj said she began to wonder exactly how much sugar was in it."
http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/target-5-sugar-baby-formula-139339308.html
4 lbs in one month is not an unacceptable amount of weight for an infant to gain.0 -
I was unaware that there were a bunch of obese 6-month-old babies in this world. Wow, the more you know...
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Ok, i'll bite.
As a type 2 diabetic and someone who has lost nearly half their original body weight and eats more fruit now then ever before how can sugar be linked to obesity?
And no, I wont watch the silly lecture, id get better nutritional guidance watching a fern grow.0 -
1:09:15- Chronic fructose exposure yields 8 of the 12 of the following, which are also associated with chronic alcohol use:
hematologic disorders
electrolyte abnormalities
hypertension
cardiac dilatation
cardiomyopathy
dyslipidemia
panreatitis
malnutrition
obesity
hepatic dysfunction
fetal insulin resistance
addiction
I'm starting to think of this whole thing as a 'How we got here' explanation in terms of being a country that is becoming predominantly ill and overweight.0 -
Ok, i'll bite.
As a type 2 diabetic and someone who has lost nearly half their original body weight and eats more fruit now then ever before how can sugar be linked to obesity?
And no, I wont watch the silly lecture, id get better nutritional guidance watching a fern grow.
Good luck with your fern, hope it helps.0 -
Ok, i'll bite.
As a type 2 diabetic and someone who has lost nearly half their original body weight and eats more fruit now then ever before how can sugar be linked to obesity?
And no, I wont watch the silly lecture, id get better nutritional guidance watching a fern grow.
Good luck with your fern, hope it helps.
Also, fruit isn't pure fructose.0 -
Ok, i'll bite.
As a type 2 diabetic and someone who has lost nearly half their original body weight and eats more fruit now then ever before how can sugar be linked to obesity?
And no, I wont watch the silly lecture, id get better nutritional guidance watching a fern grow.
Good luck with your fern, hope it helps.
Also, fruit isn't pure fructose.
Fructose
Chemical Compound
Fructose, or fruit sugar, is a simple monosaccharide found in many plants, where it is often bonded to glucose to form the disaccharide sucrose. Wikipedia
Formula: C6H12O6
IUPAC ID: Fructose
Molar mass: 180.16 g/mol
Melting point: 217.4°F (103°C)
Density: 1.69 g/cm³
Soluble in: Water
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In for the ridiculous condemnation of sugar.
Am I late?
Yep, you totally missed it.
The lecture isn't doing any ridiculous condemnation of sugar yet, although I do have about 20 minutes left to watch. Mainly what I've gotten so far is that it's unsafe to consume large amounts of fructose.0 -
Also, fruit isn't pure fructose.
Fructose
Chemical Compound
Fructose, or fruit sugar, is a simple monosaccharide found in many plants, where it is often bonded to glucose to form the disaccharide sucrose. Wikipedia
Formula: C6H12O6
IUPAC ID: Fructose
Molar mass: 180.16 g/mol
Melting point: 217.4°F (103°C)
Density: 1.69 g/cm³
Soluble in: Water
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Really really. Fruit also contains water and fiber.0 -
1:09:15- Chronic fructose exposure yields 8 of the 12 of the following, which are also associated with chronic alcohol use:
hematologic disorders
electrolyte abnormalities
hypertension
cardiac dilatation
cardiomyopathy
dyslipidemia
panreatitis
malnutrition
obesity
hepatic dysfunction
fetal insulin resistance
addiction
I'm starting to think of this whole thing as a 'How we got here' explanation in terms of being a country that is becoming predominantly ill and overweight.
As was said earlier by a different poster, these data come from animals fed pure fructose in huge amounts.
There is nothing we eat that is pure fructose. Even an apple has glucose and other sugars in it. An orange has a similar sugar make up to HFCS 55 (about 55% fructose, 45% glucose).
So, unless you are pounding downs lbs of pure fructose, what he is talking about is irrelevant.
btw - It is Lustig. He is a reputable, published professor of pediatrics, and he is right to be worried about the obesity epidemic. He's just not quite with it on this particular topic.0 -
1hr 10 mins in: the guy's recommendations for the obese kids he treats in his clinic:
Get rid of all sugared liquids- only water and milk
Eat your carbohydrate with fiber
Wait 20 minutes for second portions
Buy your screen time minute-for-minutes with physical activity
I'm likin it.0 -
7ish minutes in.. "If obesity is about choice, please explain the epidemic of obese 6 month olds."
This came from a pediatrician? :noway:
I'd say "Uhhh... it's not really up to me to tell you your job, mate!"0 -
An apple has about 12 grams of sugar, so I don't believe that people used to only get 15g.
It could be the type of apples available now through man's manipulation. Wild apples are generally smaller and much more sour than commercial apples.0
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