1800 calories in candy/ice cream - Why not?
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My diary is open and I'm open to reasonable information and arguments. Can someone explain to me why I shouldn't have eaten the candy & ice cream I ate last night? I was within my calorie goal (3300), my macros were good (not quite spot on), & hit all micro needs through the function of the rest of my diet. Why, again, shouldn't I have eaten my son's Halloween candy? Besides the stealing from a three year old
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(I actually got tired of candy and switched to ice cream at the end.)
No reason why you can't. You're fit and healthy. It wouldn't work for me, but we're not talking about me.0 -
You're not going to get much nutrition from it. You may lose weight by eating under your calorie goal (if that's what you're going for) but the junk food won't necessarily make you healthy.
*edit for clarity*
Though a 158lbs lost...dayam. :flowerforyou:
Wait.... So, all the nutrition that was in his broccoli and chicken and mixed veggies and all that other stuff doesn't count because ice cream?
Interesting.
Ah, but I didn't say that. He asked why he shouldn't have eaten 1800 cals in candy/ice cream. I suggested a reason why he shouldn't have.
He got more than enough "nutrition" from the meat and vegetables he ate the rest of the day. All of his micro/macronutrient needs were met - and even exceeded. Why would he then need to continue to seek foods to meet requirements that have been more than met?
He wanted a reason/explanation for doing/not doing so. I gave him a reason for not doing so.
But your reason is not relevant to the OP...0 -
I'm just jealous of having 1800 calories to play with! That's a full day's maintenance calories for me. But I thoroughly enjoyed my Hershey bar and wine (not together).0
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I'm just jealous of having 1800 calories to play with! That's a full day's maintenance calories for me. But I thoroughly enjoyed my Hershey bar and wine (not together).
Yeah, that is about my feeling as well. And truth be told, if I couldn't have any, I'd be much more jealous of your chocolate and wine (though I'd want them together), than his ice cream and candy.
In reality, I think I might have trouble consuming 1800 more calories per day every day. But it might be fun every once in a while.0 -
i don't see a problem.....i've done it with pie and ice cream, nothing else for the whole day...fricking AWESOME!!!! then next day, back at it :drinker:0
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Well, you can think all the things you want, that doesn't make any of them true.I agree with what people say, eat what you want, you're an adult and can make your own choices. I don't think sugar is good for you because it can diminish your immune system and give you cavities in your teeth. I also don't think drinking cola is a great choice. If you didn't eat stuff like that every day you'd have even more gorgeous skin and might find your energy levels feel different. I think sugar is a drug and is addictive I know I've been addicted to it in the past.
That said I really think it's up to you what you eat and how healthy you want to be. I feel like at my age I need to be more careful about what I eat plus I had serious health consequences from eating too much sugar a few years ago. I know that when I eat less processed foods and don't drink soda I feel better.
But yeah, have fun, eat what you want, it's really ok so don't let anyone tell you that you are being super wrong.
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You ask "Why Not?" I ask "Why?"
Not everyone feels deprived by not eating ice cream or candy every day.
If someone needs that scoop of ice cream daily to keep them on track, I have no reason to tell them not to eat it. My favorites would be chocolate, wine and cheese. But I don't eat/drink that everyday and I don't feel deprived at all for making that choice. But, unfortunately, I get the impression from the IFYM's folks that I must be depriving myself if I'm not partaking in sugary sweets every day.0 -
Why not?
Because you didnt give me any
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Because you may be up owing your dentist lots of money.
Floss.0 -
From the way the title was worded I thought all you ate was candy and ice cream. Like dayum OP that's kinda hardcore.
I think I'm gonna have coffee ice cream for dessert later.0 -
You ask "Why Not?" I ask "Why?"
Not everyone feels deprived by not eating ice cream or candy every day.
If someone needs that scoop of ice cream daily to keep them on track, I have no reason to tell them not to eat it. My favorites would be chocolate, wine and cheese. But I don't eat/drink that everyday and I don't feel deprived at all for making that choice. But, unfortunately, I get the impression from the IFYM's folks that I must be depriving myself if I'm not partaking in sugary sweets every day.
Nah. You're only depriving yourself if you're not eating whatever it is you love to eat.0 -
IIFYM!0
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explanation: you CAN eat the magic that is candy and ice cream.
enjoy. 0 -
You ask "Why Not?" I ask "Why?"
Not everyone feels deprived by not eating ice cream or candy every day.
If someone needs that scoop of ice cream daily to keep them on track, I have no reason to tell them not to eat it. My favorites would be chocolate, wine and cheese. But I don't eat/drink that everyday and I don't feel deprived at all for making that choice. But, unfortunately, I get the impression from the IFYM's folks that I must be depriving myself if I'm not partaking in sugary sweets every day.
Nah. You're only depriving yourself if you're not eating whatever it is you love to eat.
It's a good thing I love to eat steaks and bacon and cheese. 0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.0 -
explanation: you CAN eat the magic that is candy and ice cream. enjoy.
Oh Yes..Yes..Yes!!! Maaahhgic Yumminess!! If I make it to saaaay....80, I'm eating the magic for every meal, and washing it down with something fru-fru, like a pina colada.
Oh I should probably clarify....AGE 80...not 80 lbs0 -
Well first of all, how do you come to the conclusion that muscle milk and other heavily processed protein supplements (and sausage) qualify as eating clean?Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
Second, it depends on context. If you are just barely making your protein goals for your existing LBM and plan to add more LBM, then your macro target for protein would go up.0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?0 -
Well first of all, how do you come to the conclusion that muscle milk and other heavily processed protein supplements (and sausage) qualify as eating clean?Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
Second, it depends on context. If you are just barely making your protein goals for your existing LBM and plan to add more LBM, then your macro target for protein would go up.
It was hypothetical. I don't eat clean. I have, but i don't. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, the sausage is clean. It's TURKEY sausage. So that makes it more "bro food". Because it's turkey sausage and not pork. And it's a Muscle Milk LITE! So that makes it clean.0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?
I don't know if the donuts would help or not. That's why i asked. To find out from experts on IIFYM. I'd like to know, if i hit all my macro and micro nutrients following a "clean" eating approach at maintenance calories. Then decide to bulk, but instead of using MORE "clean" foods to create the surplus, I use IIFYM foods, and use anything, will it help me build muscle? The idea being, at maintenance, my protein and fat macros don't change, i just up carbs for the surplus. And if i save room for fats, then eat something high in fat and carbs like a donut or some other sweet treat, will 500-600 calories from that additional surplus build muscle?
Just wondering.0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?
I don't know if the donuts would help or not. That's why i asked. To find out from experts on IIFYM. I'd like to know, if i hit all my macro and micro nutrients following a "clean" eating approach at maintenance calories. Then decide to bulk, but instead of using MORE "clean" foods to create the surplus, I use IIFYM foods, and use anything, will it help me build muscle? The idea being, at maintenance, my protein and fat macros don't change, i just up carbs for the surplus. And if i save room for fats, then eat something high in fat and carbs like a donut or some other sweet treat, will 500-600 calories from that additional surplus build muscle?
Just wondering.
The caloric surplus will give you the building blocks for muscle. Carbs are more metabolically beneficial, to a degree, but when you are in a surplus it becomes a bit moot.
Check out the 3DMJ guys - they are competitive natty bb'ers (who also powerlift on the side) and are proponents of IIFYM (done correctly). Sometimes the donut really is a better choice as fiber can become too high with too much 'clean' food. Plus...tasty!0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?
I don't know if the donuts would help or not. That's why i asked. To find out from experts on IIFYM. I'd like to know, if i hit all my macro and micro nutrients following a "clean" eating approach at maintenance calories. Then decide to bulk, but instead of using MORE "clean" foods to create the surplus, I use IIFYM foods, and use anything, will it help me build muscle? The idea being, at maintenance, my protein and fat macros don't change, i just up carbs for the surplus. And if i save room for fats, then eat something high in fat and carbs like a donut or some other sweet treat, will 500-600 calories from that additional surplus build muscle?
Just wondering.
The caloric surplus will give you the building blocks for muscle. Carbs are more metabolically beneficial, to a degree, but when you are in a surplus it becomes a bit moot.
Check out the 3DMJ guys - they are competitive natty bb'ers (who also powerlift on the side) and are proponents of IIFYM (done correctly). Sometimes the donut really is a better choice as fiber can become too high with too much 'clean' food. Plus...tasty!
Sounds like an easy way to bulk to me. Since the "ideal" bulk that i see everyone suggest around here is 500 calories above maintenance, all you have to do is eat two cupcakes and you're in business!0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?
I don't know if the donuts would help or not. That's why i asked. To find out from experts on IIFYM. I'd like to know, if i hit all my macro and micro nutrients following a "clean" eating approach at maintenance calories. Then decide to bulk, but instead of using MORE "clean" foods to create the surplus, I use IIFYM foods, and use anything, will it help me build muscle? The idea being, at maintenance, my protein and fat macros don't change, i just up carbs for the surplus. And if i save room for fats, then eat something high in fat and carbs like a donut or some other sweet treat, will 500-600 calories from that additional surplus build muscle?
Just wondering.
The caloric surplus will give you the building blocks for muscle. Carbs are more metabolically beneficial, to a degree, but when you are in a surplus it becomes a bit moot.
Check out the 3DMJ guys - they are competitive natty bb'ers (who also powerlift on the side) and are proponents of IIFYM (done correctly). Sometimes the donut really is a better choice as fiber can become too high with too much 'clean' food. Plus...tasty!
Sounds like an easy way to bulk to me. Since the "ideal" bulk that i see everyone suggest around here is 500 calories above maintenance, all you have to do is eat two cupcakes and you're in business!
Pretty much
. Your diary looks really good - you are probably getting all the nutrients (macro and micro) that you need, and then some. I say go for those cupcakes! (actually, I would say go for the ice cream...but that's just me). 0 -
As long as you're hitting your micronutrient goals, as well as your macros, I don't see the problem ... If you like it and it fits, eat it ...0
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Soooooo jealous!0
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Frankly it pisses me off that you get to eat that much. :noway:
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Frankly it pisses me off that you get to eat that much. :noway:
:flowerforyou:
My diary is set at my TDEE maintenance calorie requirements. So i actually go over that for my "surplus". Since i'm looking to get BIG.0 -
Soooo .... if i'm at maintenance calories eating clean... and i want to start a "bulk", and go 500 (or 300-700) calories over maintenance, i can go the IIFYM path and just eat like two donuts a day on top of my maintenance calories of clean foods. Those 500 extra calories of crap should help me build muscle right?
If this is the case, i think i'm gonna join the IIFYM crowd ... Add daily desserts and get JACKED! I can't argue with that. Make me a believer someone.
If those donuts help you hit your macros (or a macro neutral), and assuming for health reasons they do not displace foods that have any nutrients that you would otherwise be missing, then there is not reason not to.
In fact, those donuts could well be pretty good for extra energy before you go to the gym, and the major component of a bulk (other than a caloric surplus) is your gym performance.
Why wouldn't those donuts help?
I don't know if the donuts would help or not. That's why i asked. To find out from experts on IIFYM. I'd like to know, if i hit all my macro and micro nutrients following a "clean" eating approach at maintenance calories. Then decide to bulk, but instead of using MORE "clean" foods to create the surplus, I use IIFYM foods, and use anything, will it help me build muscle? The idea being, at maintenance, my protein and fat macros don't change, i just up carbs for the surplus. And if i save room for fats, then eat something high in fat and carbs like a donut or some other sweet treat, will 500-600 calories from that additional surplus build muscle?
Just wondering.
The caloric surplus will give you the building blocks for muscle. Carbs are more metabolically beneficial, to a degree, but when you are in a surplus it becomes a bit moot.
Check out the 3DMJ guys - they are competitive natty bb'ers (who also powerlift on the side) and are proponents of IIFYM (done correctly). Sometimes the donut really is a better choice as fiber can become too high with too much 'clean' food. Plus...tasty!
Sounds like an easy way to bulk to me. Since the "ideal" bulk that i see everyone suggest around here is 500 calories above maintenance, all you have to do is eat two cupcakes and you're in business!
Pretty much. Your diary looks really good - you are probably getting all the nutrients (macro and micro) that you need, and then some. I say go for those cupcakes! (actually, I would say go for the ice cream...but that's just me).
It's so rare that i eat dessert type foods, i forgot about ice cream. Been a long time since i had a klondike bar. What else is there ... those M&M ice cream sandwiches! Man. But really. People looking to clean bulk, act like they have to re-do their whole diet if they've been at maintenance. Looks like all you have to do is grab a big mac, or something in the 400-600 calorie range, and that's it. Simple. I'm going to try this.0 -
The only two reasons (besides you shouldn't steal from a three year old) that I can give you is 1) you may be rotting your teeth and 2) if I ate that much candy/ice cream in one day, then I would be sick at my stomach. Otherwise, it's your life and if it didn't you sick, more power to you.0
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