Calories in calories out
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.0 -
This is one of those threads where I want to forget all about manners and forum rules, and potential strikes and really give OP a piece of my mind.
It would not be pretty and could make people cry.
But Christmas is so very close and i promised Santa I'd be good.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
Uhhh duhhhh. Lets completely deny the studies that have been done that show it doesn't work for everyone.
Ok, you're right... you were right all along... it only works for people who don't have hypothalamic obesity... which is literally 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+% of everyone everywhere. But there you go CICO is a myth, flawed nonsense, not science, thoroughly dis-proven.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
Uhhh duhhhh. Lets completely deny the studies that have been done that show it doesn't work for everyone.
Ok, you're right... you were right all along... it only works for people who don't have hypothalamic obesity... which is literally 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+% of everyone everywhere. But there you go CICO is a myth, flawed nonsense, not science, thoroughly dis-proven.
Its not a myth, its just not 100%0 -
santa baby, i forgot to mention one little thing, a ring...This is one of those threads where I want to forget all about manners and forum rules, and potential strikes and really give OP a piece of my mind.
It would not be pretty and could make people cry.
But Christmas is so very close and i promised Santa I'd be good.
and i dont mean on the phone...0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
Uhhh duhhhh. Lets completely deny the studies that have been done that show it doesn't work for everyone.
Ok, you're right... you were right all along... it only works for people who don't have hypothalamic obesity... which is literally 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+% of everyone everywhere. But there you go CICO is a myth, flawed nonsense, not science, thoroughly dis-proven.
Its not a myth, its just not 100%
So how does that explain your sister?
And you never did tell me how she arrived at her TDEE to tell you.0 -
This is one of those threads where I want to forget all about manners and forum rules, and potential strikes and really give OP a piece of my mind.
It would not be pretty and could make people cry.
But Christmas is so very close and i promised Santa I'd be good.
Who cries over the internet other than tumblr feminists?
I'd cry if she got banned over a silly thread like this.0 -
I didn't read the entire thread, because it got to being too much re-quoting and headaching, but, I just wanted to add my .02, from personal experience.
As a lifetime fatty, I've had my times of eating, "right" or "healthy", like all supersized folks. I'm somewhere between 400 and 500lbs and I'm sure I was over 500lbs at one time. The one thing I can tell you about MY EXPERIENCE, is that until 2 weeks ago when I started legitimately logging everything, and weighing everything, I was eating 4x the calories I thought I was. Not a case of secret eating, not a case of binging, just self-delusion. Even when I still ate crappy food, I was making a conscious effort to eat less of it. For example, instead of getting 5 or 6 items at TacoHell, I'd get 3. Things like that. but, if you look at the $5 box, it's 900 calories...I never knew that until recently. Also, I discovered many things I was eating was waaaaay higher in calories than I thought. Now, I even log my gum. I was getting a hundred calories a day from GUM!!!!
I'm not saying it's for sure the case with your friend, but from my personal experience, a lot of the healthy food I thought I was eating was waaaaaay high in calories, even things that other people would comment about would still be way over the top. One thing to keep in mind, we all know about serving sizes, but keep in mind, on things like dressings and salad toppings, a serving size is usually 1-2 Tbls. 2 Tbls of ranch dressing doesn't go far on a big salad. I know when I used to eat ranch, or thousand island, I'd use half a bottle on a big salad.
I agree that fast food is stupid. I can eat like 4 volcano tacos from taco bell they are so little and that is like 1k calories. You get 3 things at taco bell and eat 900 calories worth.
I understand portion size, I hate ranch dressing and clearly the back says "160 calories per serving" and the serving size is 2 tbls, but honestly 2 tbles of a thin dressing is enough for me.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
BTW, OP... now if you seriously believe your sister is one of these people you should urge her to get her hypothalamus checked because it is very possible that she has a tumor. I am not being snarky. I would not wish that on anyone. Seriously, if you believe she maintains her weight despite a massive caloric surplus this is very possibly a sign of major medical issue.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
BTW, OP... now if you seriously believe your sister is one of these people you should urge her to get her hypothalamus checked because it is very possible that she has a tumor. I am not being snarky. I would not wish that on anyone. Seriously, if you believe she maintains her weight despite a massive caloric surplus this is very possibly a sign of major medical issue.
She does have medical issues, clearly thats why she eats freaking 4k calories a day and doesn't gain.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
Yeah but there was like 10 different articles quoted for you guys with scientific fact you refused to believe, but ok, this guy uses one article and you jump on it. You aren't biased at all......0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
BTW, OP... now if you seriously believe your sister is one of these people you should urge her to get her hypothalamus checked because it is very possible that she has a tumor. I am not being snarky. I would not wish that on anyone. Seriously, if you believe she maintains her weight despite a massive caloric surplus this is very possibly a sign of major medical issue.
She does have medical issues, clearly thats why she eats freaking 4k calories a day and doesn't gain.
Diagnosed? If not why are you yelling at us to no avail instead of helping her get the medical attention she needs?0 -
These studies show that balancing (calories in) and (calories out) don't work for people with a damaged central nervous system.Uhhh duhhhh. Lets completely deny the studies that have been done that show it doesn't work for everyone.
Are we supposed to believe that because this model of energy expenditure doesn't work for someone with a damaged hypothalamus that it is immediately flawed?
The calories in, calories out model, in its roots, is based on the laws of thermodynamics. If you have scientific evidence that shows the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, please take that evidence with you to the nobel committee so they can give you literally every science prize.
Since everyone's bodies are different this law does not apply to everyone. There is more than one condition this applies to where people have a near impossible time losing weight with out proper medication. So now its "well it DOESN'T work for someone with XYZ" but but but I thought it was 100%.........lol clearly not0 -
Ummmmm....even with a damaged hypothalamus CICO is still fundamentally true. It just becomes very difficult to balance the equation.
But, difficult though it may be to achieve predictably, a deficit will still result in weight loss, and a surplus a gain.
Remember, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it just changes form.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
BTW, OP... now if you seriously believe your sister is one of these people you should urge her to get her hypothalamus checked because it is very possible that she has a tumor. I am not being snarky. I would not wish that on anyone. Seriously, if you believe she maintains her weight despite a massive caloric surplus this is very possibly a sign of major medical issue.
She does have medical issues, clearly thats why she eats freaking 4k calories a day and doesn't gain.
Diagnosed? If not why are you yelling at us to no avail instead of helping her get the medical attention she needs?
Oh you are right. Why am I not getting her immediate medical attention because of the advice I got on a random calorie site.0 -
hi shosho
it's been a while.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
Yeah but there was like 10 different articles quoted for you guys with scientific fact you refused to believe, but ok, this guy uses one article and you jump on it. You aren't biased at all......
None of the articles you referenced said anything about hypothalamic obesity and none of them supported your claim that a person could eat at a surplus and not gain weight.0 -
denial much?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955767Wrong, a caloric deficit does work for everyone. Show 1 properly documented case in all of history where it did not work... good luck.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574189
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22577758
There are cases where people cannot lose weight even when balancing (calories in) and (calories out) due to having a damaged hypothalamus.
The more you know! :P
(I'm not disagreeing with you though, you are right for like 99.9% of the population)
See OP!!!! See how EASY that was.
Ok, now we have 1 condition that apparently fits the bill, i.e. hypothalamic obesity.
Yeah but there was like 10 different articles quoted for you guys with scientific fact you refused to believe, but ok, this guy uses one article and you jump on it. You aren't biased at all......
None of the articles you referenced said anything about hypothalamic obesity and none of them supported your claim that a person could eat at a surplus and not gain weight.0 -
santa baby, i forgot to mention one little thing, a ring...This is one of those threads where I want to forget all about manners and forum rules, and potential strikes and really give OP a piece of my mind.
It would not be pretty and could make people cry.
But Christmas is so very close and i promised Santa I'd be good.
and i dont mean on the phone...
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This stupid *kitten* **** is still going?0
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