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Calories in calories out

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  • Posts: 142 Member

    What? This is that stupid thing you people do where you pretend to be cute and just post random stupid picture because you think its funny? You know what I think is funny? The fact that the chit chat forum looks like eharmony, how pathetic is this site?

    To be honest, yes! I do think this is funny. That Spiderman GIF cracked me up. Your denial is laughable, to be honest--can't even be mad when people can't face scientific facts. I've never been on eHarmony so I wouldn't know what the forums look like, sorry.
  • Posts: 290 Member
    For the longest time I would have argued this very point. I would have said, "But I don't eat much," and bring up the fact that people who eat more than me weigh less. The truth was I didn't think I ate that much. Because of stress, I didn't eat more than one small meal a day. However, I was a snacker. I even referred to it as 'nibbling.' It wasn't until I really got honest with myself and counted the calories from all of my snacks that I realized I was overweight because of the way I had been eating.

    I spent around 10 years struggling with my weight and blaming anything and everything on my problems. When I finally accepted that it was all about the decisions I made for myself, I was able to start getting that problem under control.

    Have I seen people that seem like they can eat anything and not gain a pound? Absolutely, but the simple truth is that I have no idea of what they are really eating and doing. Besides, even in they are somehow inexplicably 'lucky,' it doesn't change how things work for me. There are medical conditions that can impact weight loss. I personally have to account for calories I never eat, but the simplistic idea of calories in/calories certainly has proven true for me.
  • A significant amount of energy from food intake leaves the body as metabolic waste (faces, urine, sweat, breath, etc.) It seems that even today, the majority of people involved in the research, prevention and treatment of obesity are not aware of this fact.

    Scientists working on obesity have mistaken the human body with the mechanical engine driven by internal combustion.

    Weight loss treatments involving dieting, increased physical activity, diet pills and weight loss -bariatric surgeries were invented when obesity scientists believed that every single calorie in food intake, if not spent, will be converted into fat mass and stored in fat tissue. This belief was in line with the anabolism and catabolism theory.

    It is embarrassing as it is unbelievable that for nearly a century long, generations of people involved in the research, treatment and prevention of obesity didn’t know that a significant amount of energy from food intake leaves the body as metabolic waste. In other words, they do not know that the human body excretes calories.
  • Posts: 10,130 Member

    Well a controlled setting with healthy people isn't reality. You can find anything on the internet saying anything is good. Articles are constantly contradicting each other, so where are your studies?

    Hold it, I thought you already decided that anecdotal evidence in circumstances where there's no attempt at actual measurement of calories consumed and calories expended trump "tightly controlled studies" because (if I'm understanding your "reasoning") real people don't live in tightly controlled studies, so why would you care about studies anyway?
  • For the longest time I would have argued this very point. I would have said, "But I don't eat much," and bring up the fact that people who eat more than me weigh less. The truth was I didn't think I ate that much. Because of stress, I didn't eat more than one small meal a day. However, I was a snacker. I even referred to it as 'nibbling.' It wasn't until I really got honest with myself and counted the calories from all of my snacks that I realized I was overweight because of the way I had been eating.

    I spent around 10 years struggling with my weight and blaming anything and everything on my problems. When I finally accepted that it was all about the decisions I made for myself, I was able to start getting that problem under control.

    Have I seen people that seem like they can eat anything and not gain a pound? Absolutely, but the simple truth is that I have no idea of what they are really eating and doing. Besides, even in they are somehow inexplicably 'lucky,' it doesn't change how things work for me. There are medical conditions that can impact weight loss. I personally have to account for calories I never eat, but the simplistic idea of calories in/calories certainly has proven true for me.

    I am losing weight. This isn't reflecting my own weight loss story.
  • Posts: 142 Member
    I'm peacing out of this thread, guys.

    Rawfoodsho, you cannot prove anything because you're trying to substantiate a claim that isn't true.
  • Posts: 817 Member
    hmm googles "calories in calories out flawed" is in denial about the first 10 pages of articles and facts stated that clearly explains why this doesn't apply or work 100% of the time.

    As it has been pointed out, if you damage your metabolism you may need a different amount of calories, therefore it doesn't work because you could think you need one amount but you could not be losing because of a damaged metabolism. 100% would be if their were ZERO variables, but since there are tons, its not black and white, the body is not a simple machine, people do not burn the same and it doesn't always work this simply.

    Do you not realize that you are agreeing with calories in/out in 1 sentence then disagreeing with it in the next sentence, after posting that calories don't exist?
  • Posts: 22,281 Member

    What? This is that stupid thing you people do where you pretend to be cute and just post random stupid picture because you think its funny? You know what I think is funny? The fact that the chit chat forum looks like eharmony, how pathetic is this site?

    So to recap you are angry with...

    calories in calories out
    thermodynamics
    skinny beer guzzling relatives who weigh very little
    this website


    is that all? Did I miss one?
  • Posts: 16,356 Member
    hmm googles "calories in calories out flawed" is in denial about the first 10 pages of articles and facts stated that clearly explains why this doesn't apply or work 100% of the time.

    As it has been pointed out, if you damage your metabolism you may need a different amount of calories, therefore it doesn't work because you could think you need one amount but you could not be losing because of a damaged metabolism. 100% would be if their were ZERO variables, but since there are tons, its not black and white, the body is not a simple machine, people do not burn the same and it doesn't always work this simply.

    Google 'aliens abducted me' and be in denial about the first 10 pages of articles and facts that clearly explain... oh wait. That would be dumb to think a google search proves anything.
  • Posts: 22,281 Member

    Do you not realize that you are agreeing with calories in/out in 1 sentence then disagreeing with it in the next sentence, after posting that calories don't exist?

    Oh my G is there a gif for "on the one hand, on the other hand, and on the OTHER other hand"?
  • Posts: 142 Member

    y u no put pic of "shower together" :sadface:?

    I really looked for one but couldn't find one that was SFW! I'm soorrrryyyyy
  • Posts: 163 Member
    They eat "crap" but they don't eat tons of it. I have lost 123lb in 15 months, eating ice cream everyday, chips, chocolate bars, etc. Look at my diary, it's open. I eat all that "crap" at work and in front of friends and family and some of them are quite puzzled as to why I'm losing weight. I'm eating ar a deficit and those skinny girls, they are at maintenance, Simple.

    This. I'm almost to my goal weight and I did not eliminate "crap." I knew tons of girls in high school that ate more than me, but guess what? They all played sports or were out at night or did tons of other things besides sitting on the computer and complaining how fat they were.

  • Google 'aliens abducted me' and be in denial about the first 10 pages of articles and facts that clearly explain... oh wait. That would be dumb to think a google search proves anything.

    You have no studies. You have provided nothing to prove calories in calories out. It also just has random studies. It has been debunked by scientists. Its all over the internet. You guys cannot prove anything. Your articles are biased. Science doesn't consider all the variables. So that doesn't work.
  • Posts: 142 Member

    Oh my G is there a gif for "on the one hand, on the other hand, and on the OTHER other hand"?

    Mais d'accord!

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYFG-Zl8KyjOJ1UIBbrk5D0qce8jFwvh99jN2S_MuAA_WaOS7-
  • Posts: 16,913 Member

    Google 'aliens abducted me' and be in denial about the first 10 pages of articles and facts that clearly explain... oh wait. That would be dumb to think a google search proves anything.

    Um, are you saying aliens don't abduct people? Because my sister in law was abducted and I used to live with her and I know it happened because we lived together.
  • Posts: 16,356 Member

    You have no studies. You have provided nothing to prove calories in calories out. It also just has random studies. It has been debunked by scientists. Its all over the internet. You guys cannot prove anything. Your articles are biased. Science doesn't consider all the variables. So that doesn't work.

    Do you now believe in alien abduction because of all the articles that have been posted about it?

    No?

    This would be why we don't believe in your flawed thinking either.
  • I have been working out with a trainer at the gym. I spent 5 weeks busting my butt and gained weight. I wasn't eating enough calories. I put my body in starvation mode. My BMI did go down. However, it doesn't do much for your self esteem. Since MFP, I have started to lose weight. Also, I had to calculate my resting heart rate to figure out if I was exercising at an acceptable pace.
  • Posts: 72 Member
    You know what, screw it. OP, you are totally right. Calories in vs calorie out totally isn't right. Your weight is actually determined by Renenet, the ancient Egyptian god of harvest and nourishment. She writes down (in hieroglyphics, with bad handwriting, in cypher) what you will weigh every single day. Whatever you eat has precisely jack squat to do with what you weight. Trying to screw with Renenet's decrees will always fail. Always.



    Now that we've made OP feel better about whatever they were on about, let's turn our attention to any lurkers or googlers who may have stumbled upon this thread. Now, silent folks, you may have noticed that pretty much everyone disagrees with the OPs disbelief in calories in vs calories out. Contrary to what some more displeased members of the site would lead you to believe, this isn't because MFP is some cruel hive mind hell bent on making people feel stupid for the lulz. It is because calorie in vs calorie out is the most fundamental point to weight lose, weight maintenance, and weight gain.

    Now, you may be wondering about things like hormonal resistances and metabolic rates and whatever it is you kooky kids have come up with with all your sciencings that might affect your weight loss rate. Surely those count, right? Of course they do, dear shy ones, of course they do. However, what they are is a modifier on our core cal in vs cal out equation. Please take note that c in vs c out is always listed as a comparison of variables, not of absolute figures. This is to account for the many, many differences between different people. So when someone tells you it's all about how much you vs how much you burn, they aren't dismissing any metabolic concerns you may have. They are pointing out that those concerns don't change what you have to do to lose, gain, or maintain weight; eat less/ as much/ more than what you use up by existing and doing whatever it is you do. You just may have been hit with a condition or (sadly for you) a set of conditions that results in you needing to eat even less than someone else to lose weight, even of your the same height, weight, gender, age, and activity level.

    To determine if this is required of you, if life decided to be a bit mean to you on this, track what you eat. No eyeballing, now. No "forgetting" to write it down, we both know you didn't forget, now did you? Of course not. Keep accurate track of all of that. Now, and this is a bit trickier, but make your best effort, track your activity level. Do this for about a month. Now compare the two. What do the numbers predict will happen? What actually happened? If the numbers said you'd lose more than you did by a significant amount, eat less, or up your activity level. Repeat until the numbers are within about 2% or so of each other. If you had to do this a lot, see a doctor, because you really shouldn't need to do that so much, and that could indicate a medical problem.
  • Posts: 22,281 Member

    You are the one making the claims, not me. The burden of proof is on you, I fear.

    If google is your friend consider her your bad friend who holds up a small hand held mirror that provides the incomplete picture and doesn't tell you where to look. You have to then grab that mirror and point it where you want. You can either let her keep it on your face where everything's hunky dory, or take it from her, move it all around your body and notice where the truth might lie and then focus your efforts there. OR get a full length mirror with 2 swivel doors on the side to see all the sides of the situation. This final option will require that you expand your mentality enough to then form a mental image of the problem in it's entirety an then use your own selective prowess to hone in on where work needs to be done.

  • Do you now believe in alien abduction because of all the articles that have been posted about it?

    No?

    This would be why we don't believe in your flawed thinking either.
    Yes aliens, vampires, big foot, I believe everything I read on the internet. I even believe all the scientific THEORIES, i hear that are not proven as fact. Just as crazy....
  • Posts: 49,126 Member
    It is embarrassing as it is unbelievable that for nearly a century long, generations of people involved in the research, treatment and prevention of obesity didn’t know that a significant amount of energy from food intake leaves the body as metabolic waste. In other words, they do not know that the human body excretes calories.
    So in other words people who are obese aren't taking dumps because they are somehow significantly keeping those calories in storage since metabolic waste has lots of energy. Sounds legit.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • Posts: 220 Member
    Summary of this thread:

    Original Post claiming that mutually agreed-upon principles of metabolism accepted by virtually every authority in the world are somehow wrong and that some people can eat a surplus of calories and not gain weight, so it must be conversely true that others can eat a deficit and not lose weight.

    Flood of scientifically sound, well-sourced and cited peer-review literature to show the OP's claims are not supported and that an energy balance is the best and most reliable model found to-date. MIllions upon millions of anecdotal and scientific claims to support this.

    OP responds to virtually every post with 'I know my belief to be true, you should google it like I have' and "if you don't agree, then you're not smart enough to understand what you googled'

    Flooding of evidence that energy balance is irrefutable.

    OP shifts argument to attacking the unit of measure 'calorie' and then reverts to the special snowflake theory when no one bites.

    Hilarious. Seeing it like this, I feel like we've all been epic'ly trolled.
  • You know what, screw it. OP, you are totally right. Calories in vs calorie out totally isn't right. Your weight is actually determined by Renenet, the ancient Egyptian god of harvest and nourishment. She writes down (in hieroglyphics, with bad handwriting, in cypher) what you will weigh every single day. Whatever you eat has precisely jack squat to do with what you weight. Trying to screw with Renenet's decrees will always fail. Always.



    Now that we've made OP feel better about whatever they were on about, let's turn our attention to any lurkers or googlers who may have stumbled upon this thread. Now, silent folks, you may have noticed that pretty much everyone disagrees with the OPs disbelief in calories in vs calories out. Contrary to what some more displeased members of the site would lead you to believe, this isn't because MFP is some cruel hive mind hell bent on making people feel stupid for the lulz. It is because calorie in vs calorie out is the most fundamental point to weight lose, weight maintenance, and weight gain.

    Now, you may be wondering about things like hormonal resistances and metabolic rates and whatever it is you kooky kids have come up with with all your sciencings that might affect your weight loss rate. Surely those count, right? Of course they do, dear shy ones, of course they do. However, what they are is a modifier on our core cal in vs cal out equation. Please take note that c in vs c out is always listed as a comparison of variables, not of absolute figures. This is to account for the many, many differences between different people. So when someone tells you it's all about how much you vs how much you burn, they aren't dismissing any metabolic concerns you may have. They are pointing out that those concerns don't change hwat you have to do to lose, gain, or maintain weight; eta less/ as much/ more than what you use up by existing and doing whatever it is you do. You just may have been hit with a condition or (sadly for you) a set of conditions that results in you needing to eat even less than someone else to lose weight, even of your the same height, weight, gender, age, and activity level.

    To determine if this is required of you, if life decided to be a bit mean to you on this, track what you eat. No eyeballing, now. No "forgetting" to write it down, we both know you didn't forget, now did you? Of course not. Keep accurate track of all of that. Now, and this is a bit trickier, but make your best effort, track your activity level. Do this for about a month. Now compare the two. What do the numbers predict will happen? What actually happened? If the numbers said you'd lose more than you did by a significant amount, eat less, or up your activity level. Repeat until the numbers are within about 2% or so of each other. If you had to do this a lot, see a doctor, because you really shouldn't need to do that so much, and that could indicate a medical problem.

    Clearly. I personally eat a deficit, that is how I lose weight, DUH. But what I was saying was this doesn't work for everyone, possibly because of health problems they dont even know they had.
  • Summary of this thread:

    Original Post claiming that mutually agreed-upon principles of metabolism accepted by virtually every authority in the world are somehow wrong and that some people can eat a surplus of calories and not gain weight, so it must be conversely true that others can eat a deficit and not lose weight.

    Flood of scientifically sound, well-sourced and cited peer-review literature to show the OP's claims are not supported and that an energy balance is the best and most reliable model found to-date. MIllions upon millions of anecdotal and scientific claims to support this.

    OP responds to virtually every post with 'I know my belief to be true, you should google it like I have' and "if you don't agree, then you're not smart enough to understand what you googled'

    Flooding of evidence that energy balance is irrefutable.

    OP shifts argument to attacking the unit of measure 'calorie' and then reverts to the special snowflake theory when no one bites.

    Hilarious. Seeing it like this, I feel like we've all been epic'ly trolled.

    Flood of scientifically sound, well-sourced and cited peer-review literature to show the OP's claims are not supported and that an energy balance is the best and most reliable model found to-date. MIllions upon millions of anecdotal and scientific claims to support this.


    ^ ^ this never happened bro lol
  • Posts: 22,281 Member
    A significant amount of energy from food intake leaves the body as metabolic waste (faces, urine, sweat, breath, etc.) It seems that even today, the majority of people involved in the research, prevention and treatment of obesity are not aware of this fact.

    Scientists working on obesity have mistaken the human body with the mechanical engine driven by internal combustion.

    Weight loss treatments involving dieting, increased physical activity, diet pills and weight loss -bariatric surgeries were invented when obesity scientists believed that every single calorie in food intake, if not spent, will be converted into fat mass and stored in fat tissue. This belief was in line with the anabolism and catabolism theory.

    It is embarrassing as it is unbelievable that for nearly a century long, generations of people involved in the research, treatment and prevention of obesity didn’t know that a significant amount of energy from food intake leaves the body as metabolic waste. In other words, they do not know that the human body excretes calories.

    Wait, what? Now our faces are gonna leave our bodies? Damn broken metabolism, they really do mean broken huh?
  • Posts: 49,126 Member
    Yes aliens, vampires, big foot, I believe everything I read on the internet. I even believe all the scientific THEORIES, i hear that are not proven as fact. Just as crazy....
    Gravity is a theory. Just sayin'.

    You're unconvinced. We get it. You're wrong, but we get it.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • Posts: 16,356 Member

    Um, are you saying aliens don't abduct people? Because my sister in law was abducted and I used to live with her and I know it happened because we lived together.

    My bad, if you lived with her and she claimed to be abducted, I stand corrected. Aliens abduct people, calories exist but don't exist (depending on how it fits with my argument at the time) and unicorns stole my cupcakes because I live with my cupcakes and they didn't haves sprinkles on them this morning but they do now.

    Google unicorns and cupcakes and you'll be a believer too!
  • Posts: 27,167 Member

    If google is your friend consider her your bad friend who holds up a small hand held mirror that provides the incomplete picture and doesn't tell you where to look. You have to then grab that mirror and point it where you want. You can either let her keep it on your face where everything's hunky dory, or take it from her, move it all around your body and notice where the truth might lie and then focus your efforts there. OR get a full length mirror with 2 swivel doors on the side to see all the sides of the situation. This final option will require that you expand your mentality enough to then form a mental image of the problem in it's entirety an then use your own selective prowess to hone in on where work needs to be done.


    Insert Standing ovation gif.

    Well said.

    (Sorry at work on phone so no gif)
  • Gravity is a theory. Just sayin'.

    You're unconvinced. We get it. You're wrong, but we get it.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    And you are still in denial about the fact that you are not right.
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