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  • TX_Rhon
    TX_Rhon Posts: 1,549 Member
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    It is all natural, from a plant

    Sounds like sugar. ;)

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Clif Bars
    nothing refined

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    I was under the impression that Clif Bars didn't use refined sugars. If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

    You should check that ingredients label. Clif bars are full of refined ingredients. The word "organic" in front of them doesn't mean they're unrefined.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    While you are correct in it's effect on weight loss vs macros and calorie burn, I think the OP is trying to eliminate it from her diet. It doesn't matter "if it fits your macros"... sugar has OTHER detrimental effects on the human body than weight loss/gain. People with PCOS, Hypo/Hyperthyroid, hormonal imbalances, etc. have a HARD TIME with large (even smaller) amounts of sugar and carbs. Their bodies dont process it the same as people who dont have these issues. Reducing sugar and carb intake is vital for people with these diseases/illnesses/issues (whatever you want to call it) to be able to ATTEMPT to lose any weight.

    People with peanut allergies have a HARD TIME eating peanuts.

    Does that mean people without peanut allergies should avoid peanuts?

    I'm so confused as to why you replied with this. Do you have hypothyroid? Diabetes? PCOS? Had a kid recently? All these ossues and more have an effect on what we can and shouldn't put in our bodies. These issues make it extremely hard for someone to lose weight. I was simply providing an alternative answer to the OP.

    I replied because none of those things you mentioned have any relevance unless you actually have one of those conditions. There has been zero indication until just now that the OP or anyone else had one of those conditions.

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  • maliawarren
    maliawarren Posts: 9 Member
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    While you are correct in it's effect on weight loss vs macros and calorie burn, I think the OP is trying to eliminate it from her diet. It doesn't matter "if it fits your macros"... sugar has OTHER detrimental effects on the human body than weight loss/gain. People with PCOS, Hypo/Hyperthyroid, hormonal imbalances, etc. have a HARD TIME with large (even smaller) amounts of sugar and carbs. Their bodies dont process it the same as people who dont have these issues. Reducing sugar and carb intake is vital for people with these diseases/illnesses/issues (whatever you want to call it) to be able to ATTEMPT to lose any weight.

    Thank You, I do have PCOS.

    You're very welcome. I have Hypothyroid for which I take medication. No matter how much exercise I do, it always comes down to the reduction of carbs and sugar in my diet no matter what any "if it fits your macros" bro crap someone tries to preach. Lol
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
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    While you are correct in it's effect on weight loss vs macros and calorie burn, I think the OP is trying to eliminate it from her diet. It doesn't matter "if it fits your macros"... sugar has OTHER detrimental effects on the human body than weight loss/gain. People with PCOS, Hypo/Hyperthyroid, hormonal imbalances, etc. have a HARD TIME with large (even smaller) amounts of sugar and carbs. Their bodies dont process it the same as people who dont have these issues. Reducing sugar and carb intake is vital for people with these diseases/illnesses/issues (whatever you want to call it) to be able to ATTEMPT to lose any weight.

    But if the goal is to reduce sugar, then we're back to .. Say no to the grapes and yes to the chocolate chips ...
  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
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    While you are correct in it's effect on weight loss vs macros and calorie burn, I think the OP is trying to eliminate it from her diet. It doesn't matter "if it fits your macros"... sugar has OTHER detrimental effects on the human body than weight loss/gain. People with PCOS, Hypo/Hyperthyroid, hormonal imbalances, etc. have a HARD TIME with large (even smaller) amounts of sugar and carbs. Their bodies dont process it the same as people who dont have these issues. Reducing sugar and carb intake is vital for people with these diseases/illnesses/issues (whatever you want to call it) to be able to ATTEMPT to lose any weight.

    Thank You, I do have PCOS.

    You're very welcome. I have Hypothyroid for which I take medication. No matter how much exercise I do, it always comes down to the reduction of carbs and sugar in my diet no matter what any "if it fits your macros" bro crap someone tries to preach. Lol

    So your assumption of an IIFYM'r is they do nothing but binge on cake and ice cream??????? and are into Bro Science??? Just wondering??? Cause that could not be any further from the truth........
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    While you are correct in it's effect on weight loss vs macros and calorie burn, I think the OP is trying to eliminate it from her diet. It doesn't matter "if it fits your macros"... sugar has OTHER detrimental effects on the human body than weight loss/gain. People with PCOS, Hypo/Hyperthyroid, hormonal imbalances, etc. have a HARD TIME with large (even smaller) amounts of sugar and carbs. Their bodies dont process it the same as people who dont have these issues. Reducing sugar and carb intake is vital for people with these diseases/illnesses/issues (whatever you want to call it) to be able to ATTEMPT to lose any weight.

    Thank You, I do have PCOS.

    You're very welcome. I have Hypothyroid for which I take medication. No matter how much exercise I do, it always comes down to the reduction of carbs and sugar in my diet no matter what any "if it fits your macros" bro crap someone tries to preach. Lol

    Uh... excuse me?

    So a bunch of people come in here, trying to be helpful to the OP and her stance on sugar (because no one knew she had PCOS and we all assumed it was a mental block of some kind), and now we're the bad people? Pardon me, but IIFYM is not a bunch of "bro crap," as you so eloquently put it. Furthermore, it wasn't until we were dozens of posts in and on page four of this topic that the OP even mentioned any health-related problems that might occur from her overindulging in sugar due to PCOS or any other type of existing predisposition.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    Clif Bars
    nothing refined

    turbo_facepalm_by_specialvore-d69viv5.png[img][/img]

    I was under the impression that Clif Bars didn't use refined sugars. If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

    You should check that ingredients label. Clif bars are full of refined ingredients. The word "organic" in front of them doesn't mean they're unrefined.
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    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    Clif Bars
    nothing refined

    turbo_facepalm_by_specialvore-d69viv5.png[img][/img]

    I was under the impression that Clif Bars didn't use refined sugars. If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

    You should check that ingredients label. Clif bars are full of refined ingredients. The word "organic" in front of them doesn't mean they're unrefined.



    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.
    [/quote]

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Brown rice syrup is as processed as table sugar.

    Also, PCOS doesn't make your body react differently to "refined" sugar vs "natural" sugar. So, uh...
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    Clif Bars
    nothing refined

    turbo_facepalm_by_specialvore-d69viv5.png[img][/img]

    I was under the impression that Clif Bars didn't use refined sugars. If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

    You should check that ingredients label. Clif bars are full of refined ingredients. The word "organic" in front of them doesn't mean they're unrefined.



    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?
    [/quote]

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
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    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.

    Brown rice (malt) syrup, also known as rice syrup or rice malt, is a sweetener derived by culturing cooked rice with enzymes (usually from dried barley sprouts) to break down the starches, then straining off the liquid and reducing it by cooking until the desired consistency is reached. The final product is 45% maltose, 3% glucose, and 52% maltotriose.

    So it's refined sugar.
  • xRiverX
    xRiverX Posts: 149 Member
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    Why does everything on here turn into a debate? It gets so old. The OP wants to cut out sugar....so what? She doesn't need a reason that anyone else approves of.

    AMEN!

    LOL this,its as simple as Amen too. OP do what you want to do its your body :)
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    Clif Bars
    nothing refined

    turbo_facepalm_by_specialvore-d69viv5.png[img][/img]

    I was under the impression that Clif Bars didn't use refined sugars. If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

    You should check that ingredients label. Clif bars are full of refined ingredients. The word "organic" in front of them doesn't mean they're unrefined.



    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.
    [/quote]

    I see. Hmm... I guess I've always considered anything that you add to something to increase how "sweet" it tastes a form of sugar, considering (on a molecular basis) they're not terribly distinct. So when I say "refined sugar," I literally mean--a naturally occurring sweetness which has been processed to a point that it can easily be added to other things to make it sweet. Brown rice syrup is just another form of sugar. Agave syrup is a form of sugar. High fructose corn syrup is a form of sugar. Honey is a form of sugar. Etc.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.

    Brown rice (malt) syrup, also known as rice syrup or rice malt, is a sweetener derived by culturing cooked rice with enzymes (usually from dried barley sprouts) to break down the starches, then straining off the liquid and reducing it by cooking until the desired consistency is reached. The final product is 45% maltose, 3% glucose, and 52% maltotriose.

    So it's refined sugar.

    All the websites I am reading says otherwise. Moot point though, just looked at the ingredients of the Clif Bars I eat and it doesn't use that stuff anyway...
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.

    Brown rice (malt) syrup, also known as rice syrup or rice malt, is a sweetener derived by culturing cooked rice with enzymes (usually from dried barley sprouts) to break down the starches, then straining off the liquid and reducing it by cooking until the desired consistency is reached. The final product is 45% maltose, 3% glucose, and 52% maltotriose.

    So it's refined sugar.

    All the websites I am reading says otherwise. Moot point though, just looked at the ingredients of the Clif Bars I eat and it doesn't use that stuff anyway...

    Which do you eat?
  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
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    I thought they used Brown Rice Syrup as a sweetener which isn't considered a refined sugar, is it? I didn't say anything about Clif Bars not having anything refined. Again, i eat refined everything all the time. It's of no matter to me.

    Are you being facetious again? :P Think about brown rice. ... Now think about brown rice syrup.

    How much refinement and processing do you think went into making that little grain into a sweetened syrup?

    Hey now, I know it's refined...but it's not a refined sugar which is what I said I didn't eat on my cycling trips. Semantics, I know, but still. I realize it has to be a refined sweetener, but the guy called me out for saying that a Clif Bar didn't have refined sugar. Not "refined" anything. :)

    Oh, and I'm not debating, I'm asking cause I don't really know.

    Brown rice (malt) syrup, also known as rice syrup or rice malt, is a sweetener derived by culturing cooked rice with enzymes (usually from dried barley sprouts) to break down the starches, then straining off the liquid and reducing it by cooking until the desired consistency is reached. The final product is 45% maltose, 3% glucose, and 52% maltotriose.

    So it's refined sugar.

    All the websites I am reading says otherwise. Moot point though, just looked at the ingredients of the Clif Bars I eat and it doesn't use that stuff anyway...

    Just curious which Clif bar doesn't have Brown Rice Syrup last I checked and I believe I have tried dang near all of them and they all did...
  • Hornsby
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    Oatmeal Raisin Energy bar is my preference. It seems they have all switched to evaporated cane juice...

    Edit: which doesn't seem to be a refined sugar by definition...
  • RivenV
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    Oatmeal Raisin Energy bar is my preference. It seems they have all switched to evaporated cane juice...

    Edit: which doesn't seem to be a refined sugar by definition...

    :laugh:

    I'm just going to assume you're kidding; otherwise, the way you're manipulating the English language is completely depressing.
  • shaunap3
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    I think the general rule for any cold turkey separation is three weeks. The longer you can go the easier it should get. I'm a sugar-aholic, though. So I question if I could ever REALLY completely cut it out. I wish you luck. It'll be really good for you!

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